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Post by fisherville on Oct 4, 2015 19:10:29 GMT -8
Hawaii now a 2.5 point favorite. |
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Post by sdsustoner on Oct 4, 2015 19:12:35 GMT -8
I'm gonna wait this one out if it keeps moving this way and maybe bet straight up. That way I get a better pay out.
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Post by fisherville on Oct 4, 2015 19:14:15 GMT -8
SJSU/UNLV PK
UNM/Nevada Nevada -7
BSU/CSU BSU -15
USU/Fresno St USU -10.5
Wyoming/AFA -18.5 (Opened at 23.5)
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Post by jdaztec on Oct 4, 2015 22:00:46 GMT -8
it always impresses me how close the oddsmakers usually are (with the exception of The South Alabama Game of course).
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Post by Old School on Oct 5, 2015 9:16:10 GMT -8
DJ's injury may be bigger than we've thought. Our RB depth is better than most people think.
Oldie Out
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Post by goaztecs on Oct 5, 2015 9:27:27 GMT -8
We will beat Hawaii. I'm putting money on SDSU.
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Post by fowl on Oct 5, 2015 9:53:53 GMT -8
We'll beat Hawaii in a close game but we will lose to San Jose St next week after which this board will erupt asking why couldn't Rocky have hired Al Borges instead of Horton.
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Post by brokencurse on Oct 5, 2015 10:05:18 GMT -8
We'll beat Hawaii in a close game but we will lose to San Jose St next week after which this board will erupt asking why couldn't Rocky have hired Al Borges instead of Horton. That's a good question, why didn't he hire Borges instead of Horton? I don't need to wait for another loss to ask!  ) |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2015 10:19:23 GMT -8
Chase Price and Rashaad Penny are plenty good enough. If we lose it won't be beach we didn't have DJ.
Hawaii just lost to Boise 55-0.
There are no excuses for not winning this game.
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Post by AztecWilliam on Oct 5, 2015 10:40:17 GMT -8
Well, I can only say that we had BETTER beat Hawaii. If we lose, the season is pretty much a washout, since we are likely to lose at least a couple more conference games. That would mean, assuming a 5-3 MWC record, no winning season and no bowl game. If that happens, I am eager to read posts calling for the retention of Rocky Long.
What scares me as much as the thought of a .500 season (or worse) is that the suits on the Mesa will not appreciate how grave a situation that would be for Aztec football. Assuming a 6-6 finish with no bowl game, it's possible (though absurd) to say ...
"Well, Rocky has won 38 with just 26 losses, and has gone to four bowl games as head coach. So what if we had one mediocre year? What's wrong with that?"
Well, there is plenty wrong with that. I suppose that's what they were saying after Ted Tollner's horrible 2000 season. The trouble is, this is 2015, not 2000. The program needs to be lifted to the next level (meaning at least on a par with BSU) and as soon as possible. We can no longer afford to accept mediocrity.
AzWm
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Post by sdcoug on Oct 5, 2015 10:43:02 GMT -8
Chase Price and Rashaad Penny are plenty good enough. If we lose it won't be beach we didn't have DJ. Hawaii just lost to Boise 55-0. There are no excuses for not winning this game. Hawaii is a completely different team at home than on the road, and teams have a tough time with travel games to Hawaii. Very different equation. They beat Colorado at home, a team that won at CSU.
Hawaii has rarely been any good on the road.
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Post by sdcoug on Oct 5, 2015 10:45:26 GMT -8
Well, I can only say that we had BETTER beat Hawaii. If we lose, the season is pretty much a washout, since we are likely to lose at least a couple more conference games. That would mean, assuming a 5-3 MWC record, no winning season and no bowl game. If that happens, I am eager to read posts calling for the retention of Rocky Long. What scares me as much as the thought of a .500 season (or worse) is that the suits on the Mesa will not appreciate how grave a situation that would be for Aztec football. Assuming a 6-6 finish with no bowl game, it's possible (though absurd) to say ... "Well, Rocky has won 38 with just 26 losses, and has gone to four bowl games as head coach. So what if we had one mediocre year? What's wrong with that?"Well, there is plenty wrong with that. I suppose that's what they were saying after Ted Tollner's horrible 2000 season. The trouble is, this is 2015, not 2000. The program needs to be lifted to the next level (meaning at least on a par with BSU) and as soon as possible. We can no longer afford to accept mediocrity. AzWm If we lose at Hawaii we could still finish 7-1 in conference. BTW, why speculate on conversations that haven't happened or may never happen? |
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Post by HighNTight on Oct 5, 2015 10:51:59 GMT -8
"Well, Rocky has won 38 with just 26 losses, and has gone to four bowl games as head coach. So what if we had one mediocre year? What's wrong with that?"Well, there is plenty wrong with that. I suppose that's what they were saying after Ted Tollner's horrible 2000 season. The trouble is, this is 2015, not 2000. The program needs to be lifted to the next level (meaning at least on a par with BSU) and as soon as possible. We can no longer afford to accept mediocrity.AzWm Prey tell me though ... what can we afford? We are running a debt in terms of football operations and as far as cost per win -- we're doing pretty good (38-26). I would counter that if we want something other than "mediocrity" (7-9 wins per season) -- we have to open up the donor wallets. The base salary provided by the school is already maxed out so ... what can we afford? |
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Post by aztech on Oct 5, 2015 11:29:50 GMT -8
"Well, Rocky has won 38 with just 26 losses, and has gone to four bowl games as head coach. So what if we had one mediocre year? What's wrong with that?"Well, there is plenty wrong with that. I suppose that's what they were saying after Ted Tollner's horrible 2000 season. The trouble is, this is 2015, not 2000. The program needs to be lifted to the next level (meaning at least on a par with BSU) and as soon as possible. We can no longer afford to accept mediocrity.AzWm Prey tell me though ... what can we afford? We are running a debt in terms of football operations and as far as cost per win -- we're doing pretty good (38-26). I would counter that if we want something other than "mediocrity" (7-9 wins per season) -- we have to open up the donor wallets. The base salary provided by the school is already maxed out so ... what can we afford? I don't know how donor wallets work, but I was suspicious when Horton was elevated instead of going outside to replace Tolardo. Also I would think Blane Morgan and Hunkie Cooper are lower paid than Sipe and McDaniel. Could it be that some big donors are already pulling back? |
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Post by Luchador El Guerrero Azteca on Oct 5, 2015 11:31:17 GMT -8
Chase Price and Rashaad Penny are plenty good enough. If we lose it won't be beach we didn't have DJ. Hawaii just lost to Boise 55-0. There are no excuses for not winning this game. Hawaii is a completely different team at home than on the road, and teams have a tough time with travel games to Hawaii. Very different equation. They beat Colorado at home, a team that won at CSU.
Hawaii has rarely been any good on the road.
Very true. They have the strongest home cooking in the league. |
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Post by HighNTight on Oct 5, 2015 11:38:20 GMT -8
Prey tell me though ... what can we afford? We are running a debt in terms of football operations and as far as cost per win -- we're doing pretty good (38-26). I would counter that if we want something other than "mediocrity" (7-9 wins per season) -- we have to open up the donor wallets. The base salary provided by the school is already maxed out so ... what can we afford? I don't know how donor wallets work, but I was suspicious when Horton was elevated instead of going outside to replace Tolardo. Also I would think Blane Morgan and Hunkie Cooper are lower paid than Sipe and McDaniel. Could it be that some big donors are already pulling back? My guess is that the OC job was offered to a couple or more coaches (perhaps Ludwig & Borges among them) but was turned down for whatever reason (Ludwig took a job in the SEC & Borges went to SJSU). I am going to guess that the budget for a new OC was the same as what Techmo was making ($200K) and not competitive with what is available elsewhere. My thought is that under the circumstances, Rocky brought on Hauck to improve Special Teams (solid hire) and replacements Morgan & Cooper and gambled on Horton as OC with the remaining budget under the assumption that no one could be as bad as Toledo. Thus we are, where we are. |
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Post by aztech on Oct 5, 2015 12:06:21 GMT -8
I don't know how donor wallets work, but I was suspicious when Horton was elevated instead of going outside to replace Tolardo. Also I would think Blane Morgan and Hunkie Cooper are lower paid than Sipe and McDaniel. Could it be that some big donors are already pulling back? My guess is that the OC job was offered to a couple or more coaches (perhaps Ludwig & Borges among them) but was turned down for whatever reason (Ludwig took a job in the SEC & Borges went to SJSU). I am going to guess that the budget for a new OC was the same as what Techmo was making ($200K) and not competitive with what is available elsewhere. My thought is that under the circumstances, Rocky brought on Hauck to improve Special Teams (solid hire) and replacements Morgan & Cooper and gambled on Horton as OC with the remaining budget under the assumption that no one could be as bad as Toledo. Thus we are, where we are. Now it's starting to make sense. Whatever monies were saved from promoting and replacing, went to Hauck. I don't know how much ST coaches are paid relative to other asst coaches, but he might be Rocky's handpicked successor after he steps down. JMO |
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Post by sdcoug on Oct 5, 2015 12:09:03 GMT -8
Prey tell me though ... what can we afford? We are running a debt in terms of football operations and as far as cost per win -- we're doing pretty good (38-26). I would counter that if we want something other than "mediocrity" (7-9 wins per season) -- we have to open up the donor wallets. The base salary provided by the school is already maxed out so ... what can we afford? I don't know how donor wallets work, but I was suspicious when Horton was elevated instead of going outside to replace Tolardo. Also I would think Blane Morgan and Hunkie Cooper are lower paid than Sipe and McDaniel. Could it be that some big donors are already pulling back? I don't know about 2015 salaries, but in 2014 Toledo made $208k, Horton $203k, Sipe $193.5k & McDaniel made $160.5k, which was around the norm for most of the other primary assistants on staff. Sipe got $35k in "other pay" which, I believe I've seen here, was a donor/friend of his who covered it & bumped his salary. I haven't seen anything that says what Hunkie & Blaine are getting paid, but would assume it'd be comparable to the majority of the assistants, like McDaniel, before them, and Lewis & White. The difference in their pay is miniscule - maybe $100.
Our total assistant staff salary was around $1.4MM I believe, which is very comparable to most of the MW conference despite having significantly lower TV revenues (& lack of stadium rev) than most of the conference. Believe in the MWC conference, which pales in comparison to any B5 conference & even the AAC, only BSU ($2.1MM) & CSU ($1.6MM) were higher overall. We're basically on par with the FSU's, NM's & Wyoming's, and higher than the USU's, UNLV's, SJSU's which were around $1MM last year.
I really doubt our overall compensation packages decreased at all. Given our revenues & the screwy TV package I think we do well, but obviously P5's can cherry pick if they want to and there's nothing we could do. Just another reason we need to up the donation levels...
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Post by sdcoug on Oct 5, 2015 12:15:08 GMT -8
My guess is that the OC job was offered to a couple or more coaches (perhaps Ludwig & Borges among them) but was turned down for whatever reason (Ludwig took a job in the SEC & Borges went to SJSU). I am going to guess that the budget for a new OC was the same as what Techmo was making ($200K) and not competitive with what is available elsewhere. My thought is that under the circumstances, Rocky brought on Hauck to improve Special Teams (solid hire) and replacements Morgan & Cooper and gambled on Horton as OC with the remaining budget under the assumption that no one could be as bad as Toledo. Thus we are, where we are. Now it's starting to make sense. Whatever monies were saved from promoting and replacing, went to Hauck. I don't know how much ST coaches are paid relative to other asst coaches, but he might be Rocky's handpicked successor after he steps down. JMO Hauck received a $400k buyout when he left UNLV, so I doubt we had to pay him too much (if any) extra to take the job. Plus, I think he's a terrific recruiter, so probably less about his role (ST coach) and about how he contributes overall.
Don't disagree he'll be a candidate down the road, assuming the team is doing well overall.
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Post by thetruth on Oct 5, 2015 12:29:27 GMT -8
Sure would be nice to have a HC that did some recruiting.
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