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Post by aztecmusician on Sept 4, 2015 0:37:12 GMT -8
Go 13-0 and th entire County will respect Rocky Long. Easy fix.. #No more excuses# Basically this. San Diego loves a front runner and San Diego supports a winner. Win 11 games this year with a top 25 ranking and there will be 45-55k for every game.
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Post by uncledougy on Sept 4, 2015 1:11:36 GMT -8
It always amuses me that folks think San Diego is the only city with attractions outside of Football. With the population in the SD vicinity, not getting more than 20k a game is a reflection of SDSUs leadership. The city needs to take pride in its only major college football team. I get what you're saying, but the attractions in LA are alot more enticing than the the ones in SD, thus better athletes to LA. Remember, it's a fact that an athlete might want to go to UCLA just because it's in LA, or a Hollywood thing, not because of the beach thing alone. Therefore, we sometimes don't get the best athlete. Synopsis: Where the school is located DOES make a difference. Agree location plays a small role. It's mostly game day experience and coaches that dictate a players choice. SDSU basketball is a prime example. Kids love to play in Viejas and have coach Fish. So, G5 schools can get athletes with the right ingredients. I blame San Diegans for not creating a fun game day experience. Regardless of conference or schedule, not being able to take 6 or 7 days in a year to attend is baffling. Not to mention part of the season is during months where folks don't consider the "beach" as a destination due to weather. I believe teams are a reflection of the coach. We have a stoic, by the book, no nonsense coach and as a result, we get no nonsense, stoic, by the book fans. Bring in a lively young coach and you will see the game day atmosphere change with better players, it's a chicken or the egg thing. Does a program get attendance with wins? Or does a full stadium bring players that win....
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Post by uncledougy on Sept 4, 2015 1:14:36 GMT -8
It always amuses me that folks think San Diego is the only city with attractions outside of Football. With the population in the SD vicinity, not getting more than 20k a game is a reflection of SDSUs leadership. The city needs to take pride in its only major college football team. 1) your 20k number doesn't make sense, unless you don't go to the games or have never looked into attendance. 2) I agree that it's not really the "beach" or other local attractions that prevent us from having 40K plus. Its the fact that in the land of P5 alumni(SoCal, and Cali in general) we play in a G5 conference with one other school that people would be aware of and we don't play them again until 2017(unless we meet in the MWCCG). I know announced average attendance is around 35k, but if you look at "actual" bodies in seats it's much lower....take out skyshow, it's close to low 20s
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Post by HighNTight on Sept 4, 2015 1:27:22 GMT -8
Go 13-0 and th entire County will respect Rocky Long. Easy fix.. #No more excuses# Basically this. San Diego loves a front runner and San Diego supports a winner. Win 11 games this year with a top 25 ranking and there will be 45-55k for every game. I think it would be more accurate to say that San Diego does not know how to invest their time, energy or money into creating a winner -- they'd rather sit back and wait for a winner to come along so they can jump on the bandwagon. This ain't Texas, the Midwest or the Heartland ... ain't nobody got time to be loyal through good times and bad. Let us know when the rest of the country thinks we're something special; only then will we San Diegans show our support. For the most part, planning ahead or getting in on the ground floor just isn't our thing ... we like to wait until it's the fashionable or "in" thing to be a part of -- then we'll pay extra and act like we were supportive all along.
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Post by myownwords on Sept 4, 2015 5:16:23 GMT -8
Basically this. San Diego loves a front runner and San Diego supports a winner. Win 11 games this year with a top 25 ranking and there will be 45-55k for every game. I think it would be more accurate to say that San Diego does not know how to invest their time, energy or money into creating a winner -- they'd rather sit back and wait for a winner to come along so they can jump on the bandwagon. This ain't Texas, the Midwest or the Heartland ... ain't nobody got time to be loyal through good times and bad. Let us know when the rest of the country thinks we're something special; only then will we San Diegans show our support. For the most part, planning ahead or getting in on the ground floor just isn't our thing ... we like to wait until it's the fashionable or "in" thing to be a part of -- then we'll pay extra and act like we were supportive all along. I think HNT has the good framework for a biopic of the City of San Diego---sports and everything. Except perhaps, Mayoral Offal. Then, we take the lead.
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Post by Spud on Sept 4, 2015 6:07:29 GMT -8
Basically this. San Diego loves a front runner and San Diego supports a winner. Win 11 games this year with a top 25 ranking and there will be 45-55k for every game. I think it would be more accurate to say that San Diego does not know how to invest their time, energy or money into creating a winner -- they'd rather sit back and wait for a winner to come along so they can jump on the bandwagon. This ain't Texas, the Midwest or the Heartland ... ain't nobody got time to be loyal through good times and bad. Let us know when the rest of the country thinks we're something special; only then will we San Diegans show our support. For the most part, planning ahead or getting in on the ground floor just isn't our thing ... we like to wait until it's the fashionable or "in" thing to be a part of -- then we'll pay extra and act like we were supportive all along. It's probably more that we have a huge transient population in San Diego...between the colleges, the military, etc and that our hardcore base of "San Diegan's" is probably much smaller than you think. So this blind allegiance to SDSU that you guys are looking for just won't happen since these are people who come here with allegiance to other teams/cities. Why else would we have more Giants/Dodgers/Cowboys/etc,etc,etc fans at our home games than SD fans? I think the populous will support a team, it just needs to be a winner to attract their attention. They've already invested themselves emotionally with other teams and aren't necessarily interested in switching that attention over to another team unless it takes off.
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Post by HighNTight on Sept 4, 2015 11:15:04 GMT -8
I think it would be more accurate to say that San Diego does not know how to invest their time, energy or money into creating a winner -- they'd rather sit back and wait for a winner to come along so they can jump on the bandwagon. This ain't Texas, the Midwest or the Heartland ... ain't nobody got time to be loyal through good times and bad. Let us know when the rest of the country thinks we're something special; only then will we San Diegans show our support. For the most part, planning ahead or getting in on the ground floor just isn't our thing ... we like to wait until it's the fashionable or "in" thing to be a part of -- then we'll pay extra and act like we were supportive all along. It's probably more that we have a huge transient population in San Diego...between the colleges, the military, etc and that our hardcore base of "San Diegan's" is probably much smaller than you think. So this blind allegiance to SDSU that you guys are looking for just won't happen since these are people who come here with allegiance to other teams/cities. Why else would we have more Giants/Dodgers/Cowboys/etc,etc,etc fans at our home games than SD fans? I think the populous will support a team, it just needs to be a winner to attract their attention. They've already invested themselves emotionally with other teams and aren't necessarily interested in switching that attention over to another team unless it takes off. I will refer you to SDSU-Alum2003's numbers ..."SDSU's primary targets should be current students (30,000) and SDSU alumni (200,000; 100,000 in the immediate region) ... Since 2008 SDSU has graduated 3 or 4 classes depending on a 4-5 year graduation rate. SDSU graduates approximately 9,000 students per year. Let's just say 30,000 students that have experienced the new culture and tradition have graduated since 2008. About 60% of SDSU graduates remain in San Diego so that would equate to 18,000 new SDSU alumni in the immediate region joining the current 100,000 plus the 30,000 current students. That is 148,000 current SDSU students or SDSU alumni in San Diego.
Even if SDSU could get 1/3 of those students & alumni to games that would be nearly 50,000 fans! And that doesn't include spouse, children, friends or significant others." Read more: aztecmesa.proboards.com/thread/46744/aaron-taylor-shame-support-rocky?page=6&scrollTo=828210#ixzz3knYCmMiPJust to summarize ... Aztecs football should have at least 50K fans and/or donors at each game just based on current students, recent graduates (last 5 yrs) and long-time alumni and their families in the city & county. I am not talking about transplants, but like all 3.3 million San Diego County residents (alumni or not) they are most welcome to jump on board as well.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2015 11:44:31 GMT -8
It's probably more that we have a huge transient population in San Diego...between the colleges, the military, etc and that our hardcore base of "San Diegan's" is probably much smaller than you think. So this blind allegiance to SDSU that you guys are looking for just won't happen since these are people who come here with allegiance to other teams/cities. Why else would we have more Giants/Dodgers/Cowboys/etc,etc,etc fans at our home games than SD fans? I think the populous will support a team, it just needs to be a winner to attract their attention. They've already invested themselves emotionally with other teams and aren't necessarily interested in switching that attention over to another team unless it takes off. I will refer you to SDSU-Alum2003's numbers ..."SDSU's primary targets should be current students (30,000) and SDSU alumni (200,000; 100,000 in the immediate region) ... Since 2008 SDSU has graduated 3 or 4 classes depending on a 4-5 year graduation rate. SDSU graduates approximately 9,000 students per year. Let's just say 30,000 students that have experienced the new culture and tradition have graduated since 2008. About 60% of SDSU graduates remain in San Diego so that would equate to 18,000 new SDSU alumni in the immediate region joining the current 100,000 plus the 30,000 current students. That is 148,000 current SDSU students or SDSU alumni in San Diego.
Even if SDSU could get 1/3 of those students & alumni to games that would be nearly 50,000 fans! And that doesn't include spouse, children, friends or significant others." Read more: aztecmesa.proboards.com/thread/46744/aaron-taylor-shame-support-rocky?page=6&scrollTo=828210#ixzz3knYCmMiPJust to summarize ... Aztecs football should have at least 50K fans and/or donors at each game just based on current students, recent graduates (last 5 yrs) and long-time alumni and their families in the city & county. I am not talking about transplants, but like all 3.3 million San Diego County residents (alumni or not) they are most welcome to jump on board as well. Well, we don't so something is obviously WRONG with the whole parochial, insular marketing approach. Basketball can be successful by marketing to students and almuni with a smattering of community support. Football requires regional support. It's a matter of scale. SDSU has never marketed itself as San Diego's team. Plus: San Diegans flock to EVENTS and not necessarily games. Why do you think attendance is so much higher for Sky Show than regular games? Why do you think thousands flock to Fiesta Island for OTL, to watch softball? To get the attention of the community, SDSU Football needs to be seen as and marketed as an event.
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Post by HighNTight on Sept 4, 2015 11:57:27 GMT -8
I will refer you to SDSU-Alum2003's numbers ..."SDSU's primary targets should be current students (30,000) and SDSU alumni (200,000; 100,000 in the immediate region) ... Since 2008 SDSU has graduated 3 or 4 classes depending on a 4-5 year graduation rate. SDSU graduates approximately 9,000 students per year. Let's just say 30,000 students that have experienced the new culture and tradition have graduated since 2008. About 60% of SDSU graduates remain in San Diego so that would equate to 18,000 new SDSU alumni in the immediate region joining the current 100,000 plus the 30,000 current students. That is 148,000 current SDSU students or SDSU alumni in San Diego.
Even if SDSU could get 1/3 of those students & alumni to games that would be nearly 50,000 fans! And that doesn't include spouse, children, friends or significant others." Read more: aztecmesa.proboards.com/thread/46744/aaron-taylor-shame-support-rocky?page=6&scrollTo=828210#ixzz3knYCmMiPJust to summarize ... Aztecs football should have at least 50K fans and/or donors at each game just based on current students, recent graduates (last 5 yrs) and long-time alumni and their families in the city & county. I am not talking about transplants, but like all 3.3 million San Diego County residents (alumni or not) they are most welcome to jump on board as well. Well, we don't so something is obviously WRONG with the whole parochial, insular marketing approach. Basketball can be successful by marketing to students and almuni with a smattering of community support. Football requires regional support. It's a matter of scale. SDSU has never marketed itself as San Diego's team. Plus: San Diegans flock to EVENTS and not necessarily games. Why do you think attendance is so much higher for Sky Show than regular games? Why do you think thousands flock to Fiesta Island for OTL, to watch softball? To get the attention of the community, SDSU Football needs to be seen as and marketed as an event.Thus I refer you back ... "I think it would be more accurate to say that San Diego does not know how to invest their time, energy or money into creating a winner -- they'd rather sit back and wait for a winner to come along so they can jump on the bandwagon.
This ain't Texas, the Midwest or the Heartland ... ain't nobody got time to be loyal through good times and bad. Let us know when the rest of the country thinks we're something special; only then will we San Diegans show our support.
For the most part, planning ahead or getting in on the ground floor just isn't our thing ... we like to wait until it's the fashionable or "in" thing to be a part of -- then we'll pay extra and act like we were supportive all along."Read more: aztecmesa.proboards.com/thread/46744/aaron-taylor-shame-support-rocky?page=6&scrollTo=828303#ixzz3knlP8Mb7
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Post by AccessBowlTime on Sept 4, 2015 12:02:15 GMT -8
Go 13-0 and th entire County will respect Rocky Long. Easy fix.. #No more excuses# Basically this. San Diego loves a front runner and San Diego supports a winner. Win 11 games this year with a top 25 ranking and there will be 45-55k for every game. One thing is definite. We won't be going 13-0 for the season since if that's our record we will be going to the Fiesta Bowl. With a record of 11-2 we would have a good shot at a Fiesta Bowl appearance and how we do there would determine whether casual fans start showing up regularly. Win the Fiesta Bowl to finish 12-2 and that would absolutely happen because we would defeat a very good P5 team to do so. However, get curb stomped like Hawaii did in the Sugar Bowl half a dozen years ago and that single game would destroy all interest for Casual Fan.
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on Sept 4, 2015 12:13:54 GMT -8
I will refer you to SDSU-Alum2003's numbers ..."SDSU's primary targets should be current students (30,000) and SDSU alumni (200,000; 100,000 in the immediate region) ... Since 2008 SDSU has graduated 3 or 4 classes depending on a 4-5 year graduation rate. SDSU graduates approximately 9,000 students per year. Let's just say 30,000 students that have experienced the new culture and tradition have graduated since 2008. About 60% of SDSU graduates remain in San Diego so that would equate to 18,000 new SDSU alumni in the immediate region joining the current 100,000 plus the 30,000 current students. That is 148,000 current SDSU students or SDSU alumni in San Diego.
Even if SDSU could get 1/3 of those students & alumni to games that would be nearly 50,000 fans! And that doesn't include spouse, children, friends or significant others." Read more: aztecmesa.proboards.com/thread/46744/aaron-taylor-shame-support-rocky?page=6&scrollTo=828210#ixzz3knYCmMiPJust to summarize ... Aztecs football should have at least 50K fans and/or donors at each game just based on current students, recent graduates (last 5 yrs) and long-time alumni and their families in the city & county. I am not talking about transplants, but like all 3.3 million San Diego County residents (alumni or not) they are most welcome to jump on board as well. Well, we don't so something is obviously WRONG with the whole parochial, insular marketing approach. Basketball can be successful by marketing to students and almuni with a smattering of community support. Football requires regional support. It's a matter of scale. SDSU has never marketed itself as San Diego's team. Plus: San Diegans flock to EVENTS and not necessarily games. Why do you think attendance is so much higher for Sky Show than regular games? Why do you think thousands flock to Fiesta Island for OTL, to watch softball? To get the attention of the community, SDSU Football needs to be seen as and marketed as an event. I would be ok comparing basketball to football if we had equality in venues. Our basketball team plays in a very nice appropriately sized 12,414 seat on campus arena; our football team plays off campus in a 70,000 seat aging multi-purpose NFL stadium that even the Chargers can't sell out. It would be a different story if SDSU football had a new 35,000 - 50,000 seat college stadium that was designed for the needs of SDSU football and created a true college game day atmosphere.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2015 12:46:51 GMT -8
Well, we don't so something is obviously WRONG with the whole parochial, insular marketing approach. Basketball can be successful by marketing to students and almuni with a smattering of community support. Football requires regional support. It's a matter of scale. SDSU has never marketed itself as San Diego's team. Plus: San Diegans flock to EVENTS and not necessarily games. Why do you think attendance is so much higher for Sky Show than regular games? Why do you think thousands flock to Fiesta Island for OTL, to watch softball? To get the attention of the community, SDSU Football needs to be seen as and marketed as an event. I would be ok comparing basketball to football if we had equality in venues. Our basketball team plays in a very nice appropriately sized 12,414 seat on campus arena; our football team plays off campus in a 70,000 seat aging multi-purpose NFL stadium that even the Chargers can't sell out. It would be a different story if SDSU football had a new 35,000 - 50,000 seat college stadium that was designed for the needs of SDSU football and created a true college game day atmosphere. I get the impression you really,REALLY want an OCS.
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on Sept 4, 2015 13:37:06 GMT -8
I would be ok comparing basketball to football if we had equality in venues. Our basketball team plays in a very nice appropriately sized 12,414 seat on campus arena; our football team plays off campus in a 70,000 seat aging multi-purpose NFL stadium that even the Chargers can't sell out. It would be a different story if SDSU football had a new 35,000 - 50,000 seat college stadium that was designed for the needs of SDSU football and created a true college game day atmosphere. I get the impression you really,REALLY want an OCS. OCS or at Mission Valley with an SDSU West Campus expansion. Mission Valley will probably be easier than OCS on main campus. Just waiting on the Chargers/NFL to make a decision.
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Post by legkick on Sept 4, 2015 14:08:18 GMT -8
The Padres' attendance spiked with a new stadium, even though they hadn't won anything for at least six years prior. A new stadium with a great atmosphere should do similar things for the Aztecs, at least in the short run. Eventually, teams have to win a lot or the newness factor wears off.
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Post by myownwords on Sept 4, 2015 14:13:58 GMT -8
The Padres' attendance spiked with a new stadium, even though they hadn't won anything for at least six years prior. A new stadium with a great atmosphere should do similar things for the Aztecs, at least in the short run. Eventually, teams have to win a lot or the newness factor wears off. Very much agree with that.
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on Sept 4, 2015 20:00:15 GMT -8
The Padres' attendance spiked with a new stadium, even though they hadn't won anything for at least six years prior. A new stadium with a great atmosphere should do similar things for the Aztecs, at least in the short run. Eventually, teams have to win a lot or the newness factor wears off. I don't disagree with that but facilities are a major piece of the overall puzzle.
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Post by sdaztecs92115 on Sept 4, 2015 21:34:21 GMT -8
Aaron Taylor: A has been jerkoff!!!!
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