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Post by AzTex on Sept 3, 2015 9:07:00 GMT -8
Every year SDSU has roughly 34,000 students, and every year SDSU pumps out 10,000 graduates, many of whom stay in town. I've never bought the beach excuse. SDSU football games are played in the evening, and in any event, who goes to the beach in October, November or December? Could not agree more - I have always thought the issue is that the kind of kids that come to SDSU are already tainted when it comes to the FB team b/c of the past 10-15 years. They are just not all that excited from the get-go to show up at gams and support the team. The game day experience is not that great and kegs of beer and hot chicks at a Sat night party sound way better. (even better than the beach). Why do you think students bail at Half-time even when they do show up??? So since they do not get "hooked" when they are students, why would they care when they graduate? It has been stated over and over and over.....but when (I said when not if) we win a big game and when the game day experience is better from the student perspective thing will start to change. Now its not all about students, but they are the building blocks of the future and seems like a whole decade of them (more or less) was lost. Games in the late 80's when I was there were fun....lots of student and lots of Greeks with the banners. It was like a frat party for everyone at the games. Get them there, win some, make them care and things will get better. Oh, and I go to the beach all year long. Its why I live in CA...and put up with all the crap. Based on what I saw of my grandkids the problem goes all the way back to their high school experiences. It seems that high school kids today don't have the school spirit previous generations had. In my day even the kids who didn't like football or basketball went to the games to socialize and because it was the thing to do on a Friday night. So when they get to college the lack of school spirit and interest in the games is lacking in too many of them. The only hope is to generate the atmosphere like the basketball games currently have.
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on Sept 3, 2015 11:21:57 GMT -8
Could not agree more - I have always thought the issue is that the kind of kids that come to SDSU are already tainted when it comes to the FB team b/c of the past 10-15 years. They are just not all that excited from the get-go to show up at gams and support the team. The game day experience is not that great and kegs of beer and hot chicks at a Sat night party sound way better. (even better than the beach). Why do you think students bail at Half-time even when they do show up??? So since they do not get "hooked" when they are students, why would they care when they graduate? It has been stated over and over and over.....but when (I said when not if) we win a big game and when the game day experience is better from the student perspective thing will start to change. Now its not all about students, but they are the building blocks of the future and seems like a whole decade of them (more or less) was lost. Games in the late 80's when I was there were fun....lots of student and lots of Greeks with the banners. It was like a frat party for everyone at the games. Get them there, win some, make them care and things will get better. Oh, and I go to the beach all year long. Its why I live in CA...and put up with all the crap. Based on what I saw of my grandkids the problem goes all the way back to their high school experiences. It seems that high school kids today don't have the school spirit previous generations had. In my day even the kids who didn't like football or basketball went to the games to socialize and because it was the thing to do on a Friday night. So when they get to college the lack of school spirit and interest in the games is lacking in too many of them. The only hope is to generate the atmosphere like the basketball games currently have. Yup, and that won't happen until SDSU builds a stadium for its football program.
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Post by AzTex on Sept 3, 2015 11:32:57 GMT -8
Based on what I saw of my grandkids the problem goes all the way back to their high school experiences. It seems that high school kids today don't have the school spirit previous generations had. In my day even the kids who didn't like football or basketball went to the games to socialize and because it was the thing to do on a Friday night. So when they get to college the lack of school spirit and interest in the games is lacking in too many of them. The only hope is to generate the atmosphere like the basketball games currently have. Yup, and that won't happen until SDSU builds a stadium for its football program. Exactly right.
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Post by therealoracle on Sept 3, 2015 12:12:07 GMT -8
Love it. Just donated to Women's Basketball.
The Real Oracle Out
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Post by AccessBowlTime on Sept 3, 2015 12:41:25 GMT -8
he's always been a dope of the highest order. the epitome of the stereotype of the arrogant dumb jock. Actually, AT is intelligent and super good guy. He may not be the best college football analyst though. Let's try this on for size. Aaron Taylor is plenty intelligent and he's a good studio analyst. What he is not is a good game day color guy in the booth. Not sure why but he isn't.
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Post by uncledougy on Sept 3, 2015 16:29:57 GMT -8
Only if San Diego didn't have beaches then the support for SDSU football would be off the charts. It always amuses me that folks think San Diego is the only city with attractions outside of Football. With the population in the SD vicinity, not getting more than 20k a game is a reflection of SDSUs leadership. The city needs to take pride in its only major college football team.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2015 16:48:51 GMT -8
Only if San Diego didn't have beaches then the support for SDSU football would be off the charts. It always amuses me that folks think San Diego is the only city with attractions outside of Football. With the population in the SD vicinity, not getting more than 20k a game is a reflection of SDSUs leadership. The city needs to take pride in its only major college football team. 1) your 20k number doesn't make sense, unless you don't go to the games or have never looked into attendance. 2) I agree that it's not really the "beach" or other local attractions that prevent us from having 40K plus. Its the fact that in the land of P5 alumni(SoCal, and Cali in general) we play in a G5 conference with one other school that people would be aware of and we don't play them again until 2017(unless we meet in the MWCCG).
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Post by ourtime on Sept 3, 2015 17:35:30 GMT -8
The reason is simple, the team doesn't win nearly enough games on their underwhelming schedule. They seemingly never win a game against a school that the average fan knows has some has some kind of football tradition. As a result they never gain traction. The average fan doesn't give a $#!+ about the big game against Nevada that will get the team to 7-5 and move them from the R + L Carriers Bowl to the Famous Idaho Potato Bowl instead.
You guys can argue about the schedule, the game day experience and whatever else, but the average fan doesn't care to spend their Saturdays watching perceived "lower level" football teams play unless there's a 90% chance the Aztecs will win. This school needs a 30-6 streak in the worst way if it ever wants to move the needle on fan support.
I used "average fan" repeatedly because this is the group that needs to be won over. That's the group that gets the attendance to 40,000+.
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Post by sdcoug on Sept 3, 2015 17:58:10 GMT -8
The reason is simple, the team doesn't win nearly enough games on their underwhelming schedule. They seemingly never win a game against a school that the average fan knows has some has some kind of football tradition. As a result they never gain traction. The average fan doesn't give a $#!+ about the big game against Nevada that will get the team to 7-5 and move them from the R + L Carriers Bowl to the Famous Idaho Potato Bowl instead. You guys can argue about the schedule, the game day experience and whatever else, but the average fan doesn't care to spend their Saturdays watching perceived "lower level" football teams play unless there's a 90% chance the Aztecs will win. This school needs a 30-6 streak in the worst way if it ever wants to move the needle on fan support. I used "average fan" repeatedly because this is the group that needs to be won over. That's the group that gets the attendance to 40,000+. That's not the "average fan". That's the fringe fan. The average fan knows the importance of conference games, especially a Nevada.
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on Sept 3, 2015 19:16:36 GMT -8
The reason is simple, the team doesn't win nearly enough games on their underwhelming schedule. They seemingly never win a game against a school that the average fan knows has some has some kind of football tradition. As a result they never gain traction. The average fan doesn't give a $#!+ about the big game against Nevada that will get the team to 7-5 and move them from the R + L Carriers Bowl to the Famous Idaho Potato Bowl instead. You guys can argue about the schedule, the game day experience and whatever else, but the average fan doesn't care to spend their Saturdays watching perceived "lower level" football teams play unless there's a 90% chance the Aztecs will win. This school needs a 30-6 streak in the worst way if it ever wants to move the needle on fan support. I used "average fan" repeatedly because this is the group that needs to be won over. That's the group that gets the attendance to 40,000+. I partially agree if your definition of "average fan" is not an alum of SDSU. SDSU's primary targets should be current students (30,000) and SDSU alumni (200,000; 100,000 in the immediate region). SDSU has done an amazing job creating a campus culture, tradition and experience since 2008 when Aztec Nights & Templo Del Sol started. These event are creating a strong connection with the current students who will one day become SDSU alumni and current SDSU alumni. SDSU Athletics plays a significant role in stimulating campus culture, tradition & experience. Since 2008 SDSU has graduated 3 or 4 classes depending on a 4-5 year graduation rate. SDSU graduates approximately 9,000 students per year. Let's just say 30,000 students that have experienced the new culture and tradition have graduated since 2008. About 60% of SDSU graduates remain in San Diego so that would equate to 18,000 new SDSU alumni in the immediate region joining the current 100,000 plus the 30,000 current students. That is 148,000 current SDSU students or SDSU alumni in San Diego. Even if SDSU could get 1/3 of those students & alumni to games that would be nearly 50,000 fans! And that doesn't include spouse, children, friends or significant others. SDSU has been developing a new on campus tradion & culture since 2008 and it gets better every year; particularly with the continued construction of more on campus housing. A new SDSU football stadium is the major missing piece of the puzzle to attract better athletes and create a true college game day atmosphere (Viejas/Cox arena and SDSU Basketball are a perfect example). go.sdsu.edu/aztecnights/
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Post by myownwords on Sept 3, 2015 19:25:14 GMT -8
The reason is simple, the team doesn't win nearly enough games on their underwhelming schedule. They seemingly never win a game against a school that the average fan knows has some has some kind of football tradition. As a result they never gain traction. The average fan doesn't give a $#!+ about the big game against Nevada that will get the team to 7-5 and move them from the R + L Carriers Bowl to the Famous Idaho Potato Bowl instead. You guys can argue about the schedule, the game day experience and whatever else, but the average fan doesn't care to spend their Saturdays watching perceived "lower level" football teams play unless there's a 90% chance the Aztecs will win. This school needs a 30-6 streak in the worst way if it ever wants to move the needle on fan support. I used "average fan" repeatedly because this is the group that needs to be won over. That's the group that gets the attendance to 40,000+. That's not the "average fan". That's the fringe fan. The average fan knows the importance of conference games, especially a Nevada. THAT definition is YOUR opinion. Strutting ersatz proclamations about your definition---as if it were in stone, born on your back from a hillside burning bush---is not helpful.
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Post by sdcoug on Sept 3, 2015 19:54:23 GMT -8
That's not the "average fan". That's the fringe fan. The average fan knows the importance of conference games, especially a Nevada. THAT definition is YOUR opinion. Strutting ersatz proclamations about your definition---as if it were in stone, born on your back from a hillside burning bush---is not helpful. And what do you think HIS definition was you moron? It was HIS opinion. So no one can disagree? Catch a clue before spouting off your "proclamations".
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Post by ourtime on Sept 3, 2015 20:06:11 GMT -8
The reason is simple, the team doesn't win nearly enough games on their underwhelming schedule. They seemingly never win a game against a school that the average fan knows has some has some kind of football tradition. As a result they never gain traction. The average fan doesn't give a $#!+ about the big game against Nevada that will get the team to 7-5 and move them from the R + L Carriers Bowl to the Famous Idaho Potato Bowl instead. You guys can argue about the schedule, the game day experience and whatever else, but the average fan doesn't care to spend their Saturdays watching perceived "lower level" football teams play unless there's a 90% chance the Aztecs will win. This school needs a 30-6 streak in the worst way if it ever wants to move the needle on fan support. I used "average fan" repeatedly because this is the group that needs to be won over. That's the group that gets the attendance to 40,000+. That's not the "average fan". That's the fringe fan. The average fan knows the importance of conference games, especially a Nevada. Not in this city they don't.
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Post by ourtime on Sept 3, 2015 20:22:54 GMT -8
The reason is simple, the team doesn't win nearly enough games on their underwhelming schedule. They seemingly never win a game against a school that the average fan knows has some has some kind of football tradition. As a result they never gain traction. The average fan doesn't give a $#!+ about the big game against Nevada that will get the team to 7-5 and move them from the R + L Carriers Bowl to the Famous Idaho Potato Bowl instead. You guys can argue about the schedule, the game day experience and whatever else, but the average fan doesn't care to spend their Saturdays watching perceived "lower level" football teams play unless there's a 90% chance the Aztecs will win. This school needs a 30-6 streak in the worst way if it ever wants to move the needle on fan support. I used "average fan" repeatedly because this is the group that needs to be won over. That's the group that gets the attendance to 40,000+. I partially agree if your definition of "average fan" is not an alum of SDSU. SDSU's primary targets should be current students (30,000) and SDSU alumni (200,000; 100,000 in the immediate region). SDSU has done an amazing job creating a campus culture, tradition and experience since 2008 when Aztec Nights & Templo Del Sol started. These event are creating a strong connection with the current students who will one day become SDSU alumni and current SDSU alumni. SDSU Athletics plays a significant role in stimulating campus culture, tradition & experience. Since 2008 SDSU has graduated 3 or 4 classes depending on a 4-5 year graduation rate. SDSU graduates approximately 9,000 students per year. Let's just say 30,000 students that have experienced the new culture and tradition have graduated since 2008. About 60% of SDSU graduates remain in San Diego so that would equate to 18,000 new SDSU alumni in the immediate region joining the current 100,000 plus the 30,000 current students. That is 148,000 current SDSU students or SDSU alumni in San Diego. Even if SDSU could get 1/3 of those students & alumni to games that would be nearly 50,000 fans! And that doesn't include spouse, children, friends or significant others. SDSU has been developing a new on campus tradion & culture since 2008 and it gets better every year; particularly with the continued construction of more on campus housing. A new SDSU football stadium is the major missing piece of the puzzle to attract better athletes and create a true college game day atmosphere (Viejas/Cox arena and SDSU Basketball are a perfect example). go.sdsu.edu/aztecnights/This is all wonderful and I admire your passion, but no one goes because they don't win enough. The atmosphere at Viejas did not create a winning team, it was the reverse. The winning team created the atmosphere. True, some form of the show has been around since 1999, but until the NIT run what did it consist of 25-50 people? After a NCAA appearance was followed up by Gonzaga and a 20-0 start the place took off. SDSU could build an on campus stadium, if they don't win a lot, after a few years when the novelty wears off the only people that will be there will be the same 25,000 that attend now. It's not like Qualcomm is in North County. It's a 10 minute trolley ride from campus, yet more kids find their way even farther to Pacific Beach every Saturday night than a football game. Why?
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on Sept 3, 2015 20:41:12 GMT -8
I partially agree if your definition of "average fan" is not an alum of SDSU. SDSU's primary targets should be current students (30,000) and SDSU alumni (200,000; 100,000 in the immediate region). SDSU has done an amazing job creating a campus culture, tradition and experience since 2008 when Aztec Nights & Templo Del Sol started. These event are creating a strong connection with the current students who will one day become SDSU alumni and current SDSU alumni. SDSU Athletics plays a significant role in stimulating campus culture, tradition & experience. Since 2008 SDSU has graduated 3 or 4 classes depending on a 4-5 year graduation rate. SDSU graduates approximately 9,000 students per year. Let's just say 30,000 students that have experienced the new culture and tradition have graduated since 2008. About 60% of SDSU graduates remain in San Diego so that would equate to 18,000 new SDSU alumni in the immediate region joining the current 100,000 plus the 30,000 current students. That is 148,000 current SDSU students or SDSU alumni in San Diego. Even if SDSU could get 1/3 of those students & alumni to games that would be nearly 50,000 fans! And that doesn't include spouse, children, friends or significant others. SDSU has been developing a new on campus tradion & culture since 2008 and it gets better every year; particularly with the continued construction of more on campus housing. A new SDSU football stadium is the major missing piece of the puzzle to attract better athletes and create a true college game day atmosphere (Viejas/Cox arena and SDSU Basketball are a perfect example). go.sdsu.edu/aztecnights/This is all wonderful and I admire your passion, but no one goes because they don't win enough. The atmosphere at Viejas did not create a winning team, it was the reverse. The winning team created the atmosphere. True, some form of the show has been around since 1999, but until the NIT run what did it consist of 25-50 people? After a NCAA appearance was followed up by Gonzaga and a 20-0 start the place took off. SDSU could build an on campus stadium, if they don't win a lot, after a few years when the novelty wears off the only people that will be there will be the same 25,000 that attend now. It's not like Qualcomm is in North County. It's a 10 minute trolley ride from campus, yet more kids find their way even farther to Pacific Beach every Saturday night than a football game. Why? I disagree with you and so does Jim Sterk. Our basketball team didn't become successful until after Cox/Viejas was built. It is the reason SDSU was able to attract quality coaches and higher caliber athletes that eventually translated into wins on the court. SDSU basketball would not be where it is today if we continued to play in Petersen Gym. I don't have the numbers for students attending the bars/night clubs on Garnet but SDSU has been regularly getting about 5,000-9,000 students at our football games. Pretty sure there aren't anywhere near that amount of SDSU student in PB; particularly since most of them are not even 21.
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Post by myownwords on Sept 3, 2015 21:24:29 GMT -8
THAT definition is YOUR opinion. Strutting ersatz proclamations about your definition---as if it were in stone, born on your back from a hillside burning bush---is not helpful. And what do you think HIS definition was you moron? It was HIS opinion. So no one can disagree? Catch a clue before spouting off your "proclamations". Didn't speak to his opinion. Neither did he go after you. You dogged him for his opinion, as if your "spouts" were edicts. By the way, you might think about bringing your choice of patois, a bit higher than high school gym. Might make more impact.
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Post by HighNTight on Sept 3, 2015 21:46:00 GMT -8
LoL ... AztecMesa, where opinions are taken as facts, because actual facts seem to be in short supply
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Post by onelittleindian on Sept 3, 2015 21:47:47 GMT -8
Sports Business Journal's story on the current generation of UT students and why they do/don't attend games and what's being done to debunk many of the myths. link
... clearly they didn't think of the five priority points toward basketball angle.
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Post by johneaztec on Sept 3, 2015 22:02:24 GMT -8
Only if San Diego didn't have beaches then the support for SDSU football would be off the charts. It always amuses me that folks think San Diego is the only city with attractions outside of Football. With the population in the SD vicinity, not getting more than 20k a game is a reflection of SDSUs leadership. The city needs to take pride in its only major college football team. I get what you're saying, but the attractions in LA are alot more enticing than the the ones in SD, thus better athletes to LA. Remember, it's a fact that an athlete might want to go to UCLA just because it's in LA, or a Hollywood thing, not because of the beach thing alone. Therefore, we sometimes don't get the best athlete. Synopsis: Where the school is located DOES make a difference.
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Post by sdsuballer on Sept 3, 2015 23:50:35 GMT -8
Go 13-0 and th entire County will respect Rocky Long. Easy fix.. #No more excuses#
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