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Post by ron on Jul 28, 2015 14:03:50 GMT -8
Judging a player on such a small amount of experience is not giving him the benefit of the doubt. He was thrown into a situation without much hope to succeed. He may have proved to be better with more time to prepare. His throwing motion was terrible. I'm obviously not the only one that is judging him. There is a reason he went from 2nd to 4th or 5th on the depth chart (and now a new position altogether). I'm not panning the young man. He did what he could given the circumstances. I'm just questioning the logic behind giving him a schollie at the QB position.
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Post by sdcoug on Jul 28, 2015 14:14:26 GMT -8
Judging a player on such a small amount of experience is not giving him the benefit of the doubt. He was thrown into a situation without much hope to succeed. He may have proved to be better with more time to prepare. His throwing motion was terrible. I'm obviously not the only one that is judging him. There is a reason he went from 2nd to 4th or 5th on the depth chart (and now a new position altogether). I'm not panning the young man. He did what he could given the circumstances. I'm just questioning the logic behind giving him a schollie at the QB position. He was given a scholarship to be on the TEAM, and then given the opportunity to earn the QB job, which he DID in the (prior) spring. The fact he dropped IMO says more about the other guys than about Nick, although he could have used a year to RS.
I wouldn't mind if we recruited 3-4 HS QB's every fall as they tend to be among the best all around athletes on their HS teams, and could easily cross over to another position. We have a receiver who did the same.
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Post by Old School on Jul 28, 2015 14:18:05 GMT -8
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Post by aztecsiggy on Jul 28, 2015 14:21:14 GMT -8
His throwing motion was terrible. I'm obviously not the only one that is judging him. There is a reason he went from 2nd to 4th or 5th on the depth chart (and now a new position altogether). I'm not panning the young man. He did what he could given the circumstances. I'm just questioning the logic behind giving him a schollie at the QB position. He was given a scholarship to be on the TEAM, and then given the opportunity to earn the QB job, which he DID in the (prior) spring. The fact he dropped IMO says more about the other guys than about Nick, although he could have used a year to RS.
I wouldn't mind if we recruited 3-4 HS QB's every fall as they tend to be among the best all around athletes on their HS teams, and could easily cross over to another position. We have a receiver who did the same.
And then, instead of transferring, Nick asked the coaching staff what he could do to help the TEAM. Gotta admire a teammate like that! IMO Nick is an Aztec for life!
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Post by gamer on Jul 28, 2015 14:22:27 GMT -8
Last year he was the real deal at QB and this year moved to FB.Makes me question what the coaches evaluation.
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Post by Old School on Jul 28, 2015 14:29:24 GMT -8
Last year he was the real deal at QB and this year moved to FB.Makes me question what the coaches evaluation. Every new season brings in new blood (transfer Maxwell Smith) and further player development at a position. The cream will rise to the top. A year ago, we were thin at QB and the staff made do with what they had. It's different now. Oldie Out
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Post by ron on Jul 28, 2015 15:10:37 GMT -8
His throwing motion was terrible. I'm obviously not the only one that is judging him. There is a reason he went from 2nd to 4th or 5th on the depth chart (and now a new position altogether). I'm not panning the young man. He did what he could given the circumstances. I'm just questioning the logic behind giving him a schollie at the QB position. He was given a scholarship to be on the TEAM, and then given the opportunity to earn the QB job, which he DID in the (prior) spring. The fact he dropped IMO says more about the other guys than about Nick, although he could have used a year to RS.
I wouldn't mind if we recruited 3-4 HS QB's every fall as they tend to be among the best all around athletes on their HS teams, and could easily cross over to another position. We have a receiver who did the same.
He was recruited as a QB. I'm not saying anything about Nick. I'm just questioning what the coaches saw. Historically RB's and LB's are the best athletes. That has changed with more spread offenses, though. We are seeing better athletes at QB year after year.
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Post by sdcoug on Jul 28, 2015 15:41:35 GMT -8
He was given a scholarship to be on the TEAM, and then given the opportunity to earn the QB job, which he DID in the (prior) spring. The fact he dropped IMO says more about the other guys than about Nick, although he could have used a year to RS.
I wouldn't mind if we recruited 3-4 HS QB's every fall as they tend to be among the best all around athletes on their HS teams, and could easily cross over to another position. We have a receiver who did the same.
He was recruited as a QB. I'm not saying anything about Nick. I'm just questioning what the coaches saw.Historically RB's and LB's are the best athletes. That has changed with more spread offenses, though. We are seeing better athletes at QB year after year. A terrific athlete who could possibly develop into a QB & if not would be a great addition somewhere on the roster. He's a raw, talented athlete. Why wouldn't you offer him? When you offer a kid the first inclination is to give him a shot at his HS position and if that fails, then present options. There's a reason they recruited 2 FR QB's. Just because you offer him as a QB doesn't mean that's where you intend them to play long term.
In hindsight I'm sure the staff would have preferred to have had Chapman as the #2 coming out of camp & RS'd Bawdin. That said, with Bawdin's switch, and now with Chapman still being a FR it worked out for us. Ideally both could have RS'd but wasn't in the cards.
You recruit football players first; specific positions is secondary. There are usually 3-4 if not more in each class who play different positions than what they were recruited to be.
Plus, you're judging his entire career & potential at QB based on his 1st 2 appearances, with both being on the road. Most FR would struggle in that situation. His mechanics aren't that bad, and are correctable. Chapman just has more upside and passed him by & being a competitive kid Nick wants to see the field and this gives him his best shot.
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Post by badfish on Jul 28, 2015 16:21:02 GMT -8
He ran like he knew what he was doing and wasn't shy to contact, hope he does well there.
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Post by AccessBowlTime on Jul 28, 2015 17:02:20 GMT -8
Last year he was the real deal at QB and this year moved to FB.Makes me question what the coaches evaluation. Toledo and Sipe are now gone. Although both are great guys, it's addition by subtraction if nothing else.
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Post by aztecfan1 on Jul 28, 2015 17:04:21 GMT -8
Hope so but we love love fullbacks and as you see from our roster we have several candidates to replace Dakota in 2016. Did I say we love fullbacks?
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Post by aztecfan1 on Jul 28, 2015 17:06:56 GMT -8
Last year he was the real deal at QB and this year moved to FB.Makes me question what the coaches evaluation. Toledo and Sipe are now gone. Although both are great guys, it's addition by subtraction if nothing else. Can't buy your criticism of Brian. I regret that Rocky chose not to give him a proper send off and hope he is honored soon.
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Post by ron on Jul 28, 2015 17:49:40 GMT -8
He was recruited as a QB. I'm not saying anything about Nick. I'm just questioning what the coaches saw.Historically RB's and LB's are the best athletes. That has changed with more spread offenses, though. We are seeing better athletes at QB year after year. A terrific athlete who could possibly develop into a QB & if not would be a great addition somewhere on the roster. He's a raw, talented athlete. Why wouldn't you offer him? When you offer a kid the first inclination is to give him a shot at his HS position and if that fails, then present options. There's a reason they recruited 2 FR QB's. Just because you offer him as a QB doesn't mean that's where you intend them to play long term.
In hindsight I'm sure the staff would have preferred to have had Chapman as the #2 coming out of camp & RS'd Bawdin. That said, with Bawdin's switch, and now with Chapman still being a FR it worked out for us. Ideally both could have RS'd but wasn't in the cards.
You recruit football players first; specific positions is secondary. There are usually 3-4 if not more in each class who play different positions than what they were recruited to be.
Plus, you're judging his entire career & potential at QB based on his 1st 2 appearances, with both being on the road. Most FR would struggle in that situation. His mechanics aren't that bad, and are correctable. Chapman just has more upside and passed him by & being a competitive kid Nick wants to see the field and this gives him his best shot.
You seem to be taking this personally. Don't. You also are responding like I have something against Nick. I don't. I simply questioned the coaching staffs decision making regarding him. Don't make it more than it is.
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Post by aztech on Jul 28, 2015 18:04:03 GMT -8
He was given a scholarship to be on the TEAM, and then given the opportunity to earn the QB job, which he DID in the (prior) spring. The fact he dropped IMO says more about the other guys than about Nick, although he could have used a year to RS.
I wouldn't mind if we recruited 3-4 HS QB's every fall as they tend to be among the best all around athletes on their HS teams, and could easily cross over to another position. We have a receiver who did the same.
He was recruited as a QB. I'm not saying anything about Nick. I'm just questioning what the coaches saw. Historically RB's and LB's are the best athletes. That has changed with more spread offenses, though. We are seeing better athletes at QB year after year. His Las Gatos HS stats were not very impressive and I always wondered what they saw in him. Wasn't he a 2 star? He's big, good runner and has a strong arm, but I think he had accuracy issues. If I recall he really wanted to come as an early commit and graduated early so he could compete in the Spring. That's what makes it tough that it didn't work out for him.
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Post by hoobs on Jul 28, 2015 18:06:09 GMT -8
Toledo and Sipe are now gone. Although both are great guys, it's addition by subtraction if nothing else. Can't buy your criticism of Brian. I regret that Rocky chose not to give him a proper send off and hope he is honored soon. 1. Proper send off? Yes, totally deserved. 2. Great guy, great Aztec, deserves to be honored? Oh hell yeah. 3. However, I definitely question Sipe's track record as QB coach. That's no attack against #1 and #2.
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Post by aztecfan1 on Jul 28, 2015 18:24:11 GMT -8
Agree on that as he missed on several who just were not good enough. But we'll never know who said "no thanks" . I surmise there were several. Was that his fault? I believe that success in CFB is 80percrnt recruiting . SDSU or Tennessee? Who do you pick?
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Post by sdcoug on Jul 28, 2015 18:46:01 GMT -8
He was recruited as a QB. I'm not saying anything about Nick. I'm just questioning what the coaches saw. Historically RB's and LB's are the best athletes. That has changed with more spread offenses, though. We are seeing better athletes at QB year after year. His Las Gatos HS stats were not very impressive and I always wondered what they saw in him. Wasn't he a 2 star? He's big, good runner and has a strong arm, but I think he had accuracy issues. If I recall he really wanted to come as an early commit and graduated early so he could compete in the Spring. That's what makes it tough that it didn't work out for him.
I'm not taking it personally, but you seem to be all hung up on the QB label. He was recruited as a football player who was going to play somewhere. No reason to question why he'd be recruited for ANY position. He was good enough at QB last year to push Chapman to the bench; at least initially.
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Post by aztech on Jul 28, 2015 22:31:57 GMT -8
His Las Gatos HS stats were not very impressive and I always wondered what they saw in him. Wasn't he a 2 star? He's big, good runner and has a strong arm, but I think he had accuracy issues. If I recall he really wanted to come as an early commit and graduated early so he could compete in the Spring. That's what makes it tough that it didn't work out for him.
I'm not taking it personally, but you seem to be all hung up on the QB label. He was recruited as a football player who was going to play somewhere. No reason to question why he'd be recruited for ANY position. He was good enough at QB last year to push Chapman to the bench; at least initially. That's a convenient thing to say, after the fact.
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Post by ron on Jul 29, 2015 2:25:27 GMT -8
His Las Gatos HS stats were not very impressive and I always wondered what they saw in him. Wasn't he a 2 star? He's big, good runner and has a strong arm, but I think he had accuracy issues. If I recall he really wanted to come as an early commit and graduated early so he could compete in the Spring. That's what makes it tough that it didn't work out for him.
I'm not taking it personally, but you seem to be all hung up on the QB label. He was recruited as a football player who was going to play somewhere. No reason to question why he'd be recruited for ANY position. He was good enough at QB last year to push Chapman to the bench; at least initially. I don't agree with the approach of recruiting a QB and hope he fits in somewhere. But, we'll just agree to disagree on this one.
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Post by uncledougy on Jul 29, 2015 2:31:35 GMT -8
Weren't we thin at QB the last couple years so giving Nick a shot seemed reasonable. With 3 new QBs coming in, it all makes sense.
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