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Post by myownwords on Jul 26, 2015 10:04:12 GMT -8
Alas, that is your choice to believe in Fairy Tales. These matters always have a way of leaking to the press. Beyond our Pretenders' absolute and copious silence---especially compared to other programs, within and without the Big 12---our supposed "conversations" with the upper tiered programs would seem to make the CIA proud. Never, NEVER are there any leaks about our imagined "movements". And I ask myself, are these two clowns REALLY that good? Or is it a secret, about which, nobody gives a damn? Or, since we never hear them cogently speak about it, these secret meetings and discussions are, well, imaginary? Can't agree here, MOW. No one should believe that the Big 12 isn't already far along in the expansion vetting process, because for economic reasons--for the sake of its survival-- it has to be. It can't survive at ten. There will be additions by the end of the decade, with the only question being who? But consider: how many substantive rumors have you heard regarding any schools joining the league? It isn't just SDSU under a cone of silence, it's everybody. The usual suspects get listed by know-nothing webloggers, but the professional press have no solid scoops. You can bet the B12 is looking hard at, and talking with, the Florida schools, BYU, maybe Houston, and others. But I've neither heard nor read any credible reports to that effect. These men are apparently quite good at keeping stuff quiet when they really want to. Recall how the Utah thing sneaked up on us several years ago. All things being equal, if you were in Sterk's position, what would you be doing every day? You would be trying to save the major-college status of your athletic program by getting your football team into a real conference that would assure its survival. You would know that the Mtn West is no long-term solution to anything. You would be trying to save your own job. So why think Sterk is not behaving the same way you would? Surely not because he's doing a good job at stifling leaks. The assumption here is that Sterk and Hirshman are talking often with their colleagues in the B12, that they have a fairly well-developed stadium plan in their files, and that they are coordinating with other western schools, most likely BSU, UNLV and/or BYU, on a unified pitch that would add a lot of TV homes and scheduling flexibility to a conference badly in need of them. I for one find the quiet to be somewhat reassuring. The more people talk, the less they do. Good points, but doesn't it depend on the substance of the "talking"? I doubt Mayor Falconer, would agree about silence, or Boise, or TCU, or Colorado State, or Louisville. We are coming from a place, and history, of extreme weakness, with very little time to make a big jump. I feel we've already passed the "window" and we're clutching at it with alligator arms. And we've already seen in print, comments by presidents and ADs in the Big-12 and elsewhere about expansion. We've seen it by schools who WANT to be included, but nothing from SDSU. And remember, before you start thinking Sterk is "on the job", he is the very one who--freshly departing the Pac-10, not only was clueless about the impending Pac-10 expansion, he doubted it would happen. Then of course, it happened within 2 or 3 months. How pathetic is that? Can you imagine an AD--who had been in the Pac-10 weeks before---not even aware of what his conference was planning in the prior few months? How could that even be possible? The ADs of Utah and Colorado knew I'm sure. Or, was he simply lying to the press at the time he slouched into the safety net, that is called SDSU? I'm not saying our Admin should broadcast every move, but if they aren't pushing, stirring, allowing intentional, strategic "leaks" and helping create momentum and demand with the news, alums, and fans in general, then they are not leading. If fact, they are deleterious to the football program.
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on Jul 27, 2015 21:43:51 GMT -8
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on Jul 27, 2015 21:51:42 GMT -8
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Post by aztecmusician on Jul 27, 2015 22:08:03 GMT -8
In my opinion, this makes this years football season even more important. If the Aztecs are ever going to play with the big boys they need to get real good now, while the BCS/Division I elite are looking to expand and bring in new teams. The fact that the men's basketball team is recognized as a national power is great, but the athletic department needs to be able to point to our football team and show that were at the top of our division and we are looking for new challenges.
Beat Cal! Beat Penn State! That would be a great way to rewrite your resume.
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Post by myownwords on Jul 28, 2015 5:12:53 GMT -8
In my opinion, this makes this years football season even more important. If the Aztecs are ever going to play with the big boys they need to get real good now, while the BCS/Division I elite are looking to expand and bring in new teams. The fact that the men's basketball team is recognized as a national power is great, but the athletic department needs to be able to point to our football team and show that were at the top of our division and we are looking for new challenges. Beat Cal! Beat Penn State! That would be a great way to rewrite your resume. Unfortunately for us, when the president "points", it's with a trembling Uriah Heep (not the band) finger, at Rocky and Sterky.
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Post by MontezumaPhil on Jul 28, 2015 6:29:12 GMT -8
Here is a spot where the infamous BYU arrogance and sense of entitlement just might work to our advantage. The last time BYU was rumored to be in talks with the B12, the school's tendency to want to barge in and take over was its undoing, as it reportedly rattled off a list of demands to the conference. This time the league may decide it has no choice but to acquiesce, and to let BYU have at least some of what it wants. And one thing it figures to want will be a far-west counterpart of its choosing, a big-market rival in an LDS stronghold. Not sure if Boise qualifies.
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on Jul 30, 2015 12:13:06 GMT -8
Big 12 realignment: These Nebraska rumors make zero sensewww.foxsports.com/college-football/story/big-12-big-ten-realignment-rumors-nebraska-cornhuskers-072915"the Big Ten has done its 'homework' to evaluate Oklahoma and Kansas as potential members" -- worked realignment fanatics into a frenzy, I'm told "nothing is happening" on that end. Even if the Big Ten does decide to go to 16, it would have to want those two schools badly enough to go to court and challenge a Grant of Rights deal that all current Big 12 schools signed through 2025."
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on Jul 30, 2015 12:13:43 GMT -8
Dick Harmon: Big 12 expansion talk (ahem, BYU) a fun, cool topic this Julywww.deseretnews.com/article/865633471/Big-12-expansion-talk-ahem-BYU-a-fun-cool-topic-this-July.html"West Virginia president Gee, the former president of Ohio State, is a former law professor at BYU, is LDS and grew up in the Uintah Basin.
TCU coach Gary Patterson, who told Big 12 media members he isn’t in favor of expansion, used to coach at Utah State. His boss has an interesting connection, however.
TCU athletic director Chris Del Conte once told me he was roommates with Bronco Mendenhall at Oregon State.
I’m sure if Mendenhall needs a source to give him a take of what’s going on in the Big 12, he’s got Conte’s number on speed dial.
Conte did weigh in on all this speculation this past week when media folks hit him up with questions. He said everyone should “just chill” right now."
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Post by standiego on Jul 30, 2015 12:34:43 GMT -8
By the end of next week, with many teams heading into fall practice ,will all the talk within the B12, be what teams from the B12 get into the playoffs , have a chance to get into bowls ? Their Presidents start going back to running their schools .
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on Aug 1, 2015 18:55:26 GMT -8
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Post by myownwords on Aug 2, 2015 16:17:36 GMT -8
Yet again, an example of our manifest irrelevance to the football elite outside of San Diego County. Are you listening Mr. Sterk and Mr. Hirshman? We can't HEAR you!
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Post by uncledougy on Aug 2, 2015 22:09:05 GMT -8
There is one quote that appears to be a deal breaker: "geography is now working against Air Force. If the Big 12 expands, it will probably be east of Texas."
Might as well get used to the MWC, the Big 12 will never, ever happen. I am not setting myself up for disappointment even thinking about it. We are where we will always be.
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Post by retiredaztec on Aug 3, 2015 7:11:14 GMT -8
There is one quote that appears to be a deal breaker: "geography is now working against Air Force. If the Big 12 expands, it will probably be east of Texas." Might as well get used to the MWC, the Big 12 will never, ever happen. I am not setting myself up for disappointment even thinking about it. We are where we will always be. At one time, the WAC had 16 teams. I thoroughly enjoyed the road trips to all kinds of destinations as a result. Then BYU and Utah drove a campaign to leave the conference because of the "disruption of traditional rivalries". Hence the creation of the MWC. (Of course, as soon as money talked, Utah's like, "what rivalry?"). I would like to see the same effort made by mid-level programs. What immediately comes to mind is evaluating members of both the American and MW. Like the creation of the MWC, there will be some programs pounding on the door to be included, but that may not be possible. A new program that allows for some 16 members, creating a whole new level of travel possibilities, just might get my Aztec juices flowing again. (But then, so would a decidedly successful football program).
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on Aug 3, 2015 8:30:21 GMT -8
There is one quote that appears to be a deal breaker: "geography is now working against Air Force. If the Big 12 expands, it will probably be east of Texas." Might as well get used to the MWC, the Big 12 will never, ever happen. I am not setting myself up for disappointment even thinking about it. We are where we will always be. There is also another common saying, "the only thing that is constant is change." That being said there will be expansion from the other P5 conferences in the future. When that will be, what teams will be involved and who it will ultimately impact nobody knows. But any expansion will have ripple effects on other conferences. Even if SDSU doesn't get an invite to a P5 conference I will be content in the MWC. However, I will only be content if SDSU is consistently winning the conference title and we build an appropriate stadium that can harness a true college game day environment. One of the good things about the MWC is the proximity to other schools. For SDSU, travel to San Jose, Fresno, Reno and Las Vegas are very easy road trips for both the student-athletes and fans. We will see how this all plays out in the next several years. What SDSU needs to do now is focus on expanding campus, building a stadium and being the best team in the MWC. Go Aztecs!
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on Aug 6, 2015 15:46:23 GMT -8
Big 12 expansion: Why Nebraska, Missouri and A&M aren't returning to the land of the Longhorn Network newsok.com/article/5438498"Nebraska’s academic status is secured in the Big Ten. Missouri has won the SEC East twice in three years in the league. A&M isn’t asking what it’s doing in the SEC, it’s asking what took so long to get there.
You can’t turn back the clock. Those schools aren’t coming back. If the Big 12 must expand, it’s going to have to look outside the Power 5."" No doubt, 14-team conferences are unwieldy. They make tons of money if put together correctly"
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Post by standiego on Aug 6, 2015 19:35:14 GMT -8
Today the Baylor AD was talking about expansion but what he was talking about is the playoff going to 8 teams by 2020 , nothing about B12 expanding . ACC commissioner said he agreed next important expansion is going to 8 team playoff .
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