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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2015 10:54:44 GMT -8
Complete bull$#!+. We drive CIRCLES around boise when it comes to P5 consideration criteria. Not even close Agree. SDSU has Boise beat in every category except football And have them there too. just need to win is all. which we will
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Post by laaztec on Jul 18, 2015 11:08:44 GMT -8
Agree. SDSU has Boise beat in every category except football And have them there too. just need to win is all. which we will I don't see Coach Long duplicating Boise like success at SDSU.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2015 11:15:32 GMT -8
And have them there too. just need to win is all. which we will I don't see Coach Long duplicating Boise like success at SDSU. No probably not, but someone will. Too much going for State
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Post by myownwords on Jul 18, 2015 11:17:42 GMT -8
The article never states SDSU is not in the race. Not once. Nor does it mention us at all. That is my point--it's time for the Aztecs to step up. Mine is not a "woe is me" attitude, as another poster stated. It is what it is. We are getting better, but we aren't there yet. This is a great time to step up. This is what I want to see. Get our name out there with a 10 win season. At least. We've been invisible for so long, that I doubt 10 wins will get us noticed by anyone---except Sterk and Rocky. Just my opinion of course, but one eyebrow might rise, somewhere, with 12 wins, including a bowl WIN.
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on Jul 18, 2015 13:53:10 GMT -8
Hard to believe B12 wants a west coast presence, especially at a non-power school like SDSU. Boise State has a far better chance of being noticed than SDSU when it comes to this. They have proven that they can win and they have shown they can "run" a conference. The fact that they've manipulated MtnWorst as they have financially is testament to that. Boise State lol! Here is some perspective for you... School - DMA Rank - Recruiting Rank - US News Rank USF - DMA #13 - RR #1 - USNR #161 CSU - DMA #17 (do the Rams really draw Denver?) - RR #26t - USNR #121 UCF - DMA #18 - RR #1 - USNR #173 SDSU - DMA #28 - RR #3 - USNR #149 BYU - DMA #34 - RR #29t - USNR #62 Cincinnati - DMA #36 - RR #5 - USNR #129 Houston - DMA #10 - RR #2 - USNR #189 Memphis - DMA #50 - RR #18t - USNR #NR Boise State - DMA #109 - RR #38t - USNR #No Rank; not a National University If winning was a driving factor for getting an invitation the Broncos would already be in the PAC 12 or BIG XII. They will likely never get a P5 invite. Winning is a factor but it is nowhere near the most important.
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Post by HighNTight on Jul 19, 2015 11:13:05 GMT -8
And have them there too. just need to win is all. which we will I don't see Coach Long duplicating Boise like success at SDSU. Boise built its success over 15 years of playing SoS in the 100+ range for the first 10 years racking up the wins and building up their brand -- then taking that winning record up against the occasional P5/BCS school and losing ... but maintaining a winning record by playing an otherwise soft schedule. Those gaudy stats and winning mentality eventually translated to better recruits and the belief they could beat anybody (which they eventually began to do). In that same period of time, SDSU's average SoS were about 20 pts higher scheduling 2-3 P5/BCS schools and beating themselves up before going into tougher conference play in the MWC than BSU was facing in the WAC. In order for Long to duplicate that Boise St. formula, the fanbase would have to accept those crappy schedules and still buy in ... something this board has not seemed willing to do. So the Aztecs must go about it the more difficult way of constant and slow improvement vs an "ABCD" OoC and accept the criticism of the fanbase that it's not fast enough or good enough when compared to our "peers". A lot of people here have opinions, but very few of those opinions are researched or reasoned.
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Post by 91aztec on Jul 19, 2015 13:24:42 GMT -8
Without a single mention of SDSU in virtually any of the articles I have read about Big XII expansion, I don't get the impression many outside of this board think it is a realistic possibility. We can hope and proclaim amongst ourselves why we should have a spot at the big kids table but I just don't get the feeling that it is shared outside of this board or SD county. I live in the middle of Pac 12 country and their arrogance is mind numbing, the idea of a school like SDSU being invited to join their illustrious conference is laughable to them. This is coming from West coasters, not the Midwest or South where they know even less about us. As much as it sucks, Boise State is a national name as are the hypocrites in Utah. They have more of a following and appeal to people outside the West coast. How teams like CSU (stadium maybe) are mentioned somewhat prevelantly is beyond me.
Basketball has made amazing strides and has become a national power and with all of tourney appearances, big wins (Kansas & Gonzaga on the road) fans and players throughout the country know them. Football, not so much so. Very few if any big wins of National importance in quite a while. I know the Boise wins were great but I am talking about out of conference against a national name. We have had numerous great players over the years but few good teams even playing in a watered down conference. Lots of people point at coaching which may have merit. Football is king and will be the only thing that gives SDSU a shot at the P5. Time is running out, the team either makes significant strides in the next few years or it may be time to face reality that the MW is our home for the present and future.
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Post by aztecfan1 on Jul 19, 2015 14:06:08 GMT -8
SDSU leadership seem confident about it from their conversations with boosters. What is their confidence based on?
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Post by badfish on Jul 19, 2015 14:09:37 GMT -8
Without a single mention of SDSU in virtually any of the articles I have read about Big XII expansion, I don't get the impression many outside of this board think it is a realistic possibility. We can hope and proclaim amongst ourselves why we should have a spot at the big kids table but I just don't get the feeling that it is shared outside of this board or SD county. I live in the middle of Pac 12 country and their arrogance is mind numbing, the idea of a school like SDSU being invited to join their illustrious conference is laughable to them. This is coming from West coasters, not the Midwest or South where they know even less about us. As much as it sucks, Boise State is a national name as are the hypocrites in Utah. They have more of a following and appeal to people outside the West coast. How teams like CSU (stadium maybe) are mentioned somewhat prevelantly is beyond me. Basketball has made amazing strides and has become a national power and with all of tourney appearances, big wins (Kansas & Gonzaga on the road) fans and players throughout the country know them. Football, not so much so. Very few if any big wins of National importance in quite a while. I know the Boise wins were great but I am talking about out of conference against a national name. We have had numerous great players over the years but few good teams even playing in a watered down conference. Lots of people point at coaching which may have merit. Football is king and will be the only thing that gives SDSU a shot at the P5. Time is running out, the team either makes significant strides in the next few years or it may be time to face reality that the MW is our home for the present and future. Yes, I suffer the PAC12 crowd up here in Seattle. If/when we start beating these clowns, it'll change their mind.
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Post by AccessBowlTime on Jul 19, 2015 14:28:58 GMT -8
SDSU leadership seem confident about it from their conversations with boosters. What is their confidence based on? I haven't a clue since the contacts I once had have dried up. (I'm a glutton for punishment but others get discouraged after years and years of disappointment and move on.) Since sdcoug apparently still has an inside track to the athletics department, let's allow him to explain.
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Post by aztecfan1 on Jul 19, 2015 15:13:41 GMT -8
I do believe there are conversations going on that we'll only learn about when it all comes true . I have to think the Big 12 cares about the West Coast viewership that would jump the members revenue. Does that trump our shortcomings? Time will tell.
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Post by Gundo on Jul 19, 2015 15:23:45 GMT -8
I do believe there are conversations going on that we'll only learn about when it all comes true . I have to think the Big 12 cares about the West Coast viewership that would jump the members revenue. Does that trump our shortcomings? Time will tell. I used to believe this as well, the trouble is I haven't seen any official channel or media company provide a very positive recommendation that includes SDSU as a Big XII target. I do hope so, especially from a MBB perspective.
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Post by aztecfan1 on Jul 19, 2015 15:40:20 GMT -8
Again what the media wonks think of SDSU pedigree has nothing to do with whether it happens. It is all about the perception of new money. The 12 university presidents are the ones Sterk and Hirshman have to sell.
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Post by myownwords on Jul 19, 2015 18:24:27 GMT -8
SDSU leadership seem confident about it from their conversations with boosters. What is their confidence based on? Self-delusion and ambivalence to football.
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Post by MontezumaPhil on Jul 20, 2015 6:46:05 GMT -8
I do believe there are conversations going on that we'll only learn about when it all comes true . I have to think the Big 12 cares about the West Coast viewership that would jump the members revenue. Does that trump our shortcomings?Time will tell. Cockeyed optimist that I am, I happen to think it will. Absolutely everything is about TV. If News Corporation and Fox Sports Net were the ones making the call about Big 12 expansion, we would eventually be in.
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Post by hoobs on Jul 20, 2015 7:05:00 GMT -8
I do believe there are conversations going on that we'll only learn about when it all comes true . I have to think the Big 12 cares about the West Coast viewership that would jump the members revenue. Does that trump our shortcomings? Time will tell. If our shortcoming were to get some "vita-grow" and become a bit less short, then yeah... I think we'll be in good shape. It all starts with 9-3 or better, then winning the MW conference championship game, then win or lose turning some heads in the bowl game.
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on Jul 20, 2015 10:25:30 GMT -8
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on Jul 20, 2015 15:47:05 GMT -8
Big 12 will not expand or have a championship game in 2015 sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr-saturday/big-12-will-not-expand-or-have-a-championship-game-in-2015-150939602.html"It is my understanding at the present time that the majority of our presidents and chancellors believe 10 is the right number for us," Bowlsby said. "There are those that believe we should get larger, and they feel strongly about it. There are those who believe we should stay at 10, and they feel strongly about it. And there are probably four or five in the middle who are persuadable one way or the other. And I think that's exactly where we're at."
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on Jul 20, 2015 16:28:03 GMT -8
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Post by AccessBowlTime on Jul 20, 2015 16:29:49 GMT -8
Somehow "Jennifer Lawrence" and "hard" just seem to go together.
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