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Post by FLAztec4Life on Jun 27, 2015 2:47:47 GMT -8
I love Aztec football, but we are now considered a basketball school. When are we going to get over it. Our golden ticket to a new conference goes though our basketball team. When you ask anyone about SDSU what do they say? "You have a really good Basketball team" time to move on.....an on campus stadium is not coming.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2015 4:31:58 GMT -8
I love Aztec football, but we are now considered a basketball school. When are we going to get over it. Our golden ticket to a new conference goes though our basketball team. When you ask anyone about SDSU what do they say? "You have a really good Basketball team" time to move on.....an on campus stadium is not coming. Its all about football. You lose the football, the basketball goes down with it.
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Post by badfish on Jun 27, 2015 6:13:15 GMT -8
Well, since this is sort of a rally cry thread, why don't we at least get some smoke going? Just tell me where to make my pledge, I'm in.
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Post by aztecwin on Jun 27, 2015 7:09:45 GMT -8
It just occurred to me that one thing (risky, I admit) SDSU could do to influence the stadium talks is to make it clear that the university will sue if the city hands the Spanoses hundreds of millions to build a stadium that completely ignores the Aztecs. Why not? After all, it's public money, and should be spent for public purposes. Helping SDSU expand its facilities and/or build a new stadium to be used in part by the Aztecs, are worthy causes that should take precedent over handing a super rich family a truck load of cash. In other words, with public money involved, it's ours as much as it is the Chargers'. Yeah, I suppose the administration at SDSU would toss their lunch at the thought, but hard ball is something the Chargers understand. AzWm I have had similar thoughts about the use of public money to benefit the Chargers and then triple our rent.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2015 7:17:30 GMT -8
Well, since this is sort of a rally cry thread, why don't we at least get some smoke going? Just tell me where to make my pledge, I'm in. That's really NOT a bad idea. I mean this university has just raised 3/4 of a billion dollars over the past eight years. I'd think, with some serious thought, and serious ambition, our fan base/alumni could raise a serious chunck of money towards a stadium fund.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2015 7:24:04 GMT -8
Its an arms race Colorado State has shovels in the dirt, an now Fresno announces renovations to Bulldog Stadium. Never thought I'd have anything nice to say about that turd of a school, but it looks nice. We need to figure out OUR stadium issue. This will be a recruiting "one-up" on SDSU- we could find ourselves with the likes of SJSU as far as football facilities go- not to mention stuck behind. www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXrUVxgVchk&feature=youtu.bewww.gobulldogs.com/view.gal?id=181624Let me just, real quick note.....every MW member with the exception of SDSU, UH and UNLV has an on campus stadium. UNLV has apparently received a "commitment" of a half a billion dollars to be built on what is most plentiful in Vegas..desert. And as I've said before, if Vegas REALLY wants it, it will happen, (but why?). SDSU on the other hand, shot its wad when it chose not to look past its own nose and gut the Aztec Bowl for Cox Arena. Now, apparently State, and you, feel it's OK to wipe the slate after the fact and start from scratch with a "1/3 billion dollar" investment from who knows where, (and why?). Ironically, these two, over the long haul, are the two most pathetic football programs in the conference, (maybe not so ironic). (And UH is on life support so, who cares?). Now what I see is two programs that want to throw a major party, and there may well be no one interested in attending. I said this some time ago, as much as those that live in the mecca of collegiate and professional sports that be San Diego, love to poke fun at fellow MW members, I'll say it again...five years from now, these programs know where they'll be playing. I truly wish you luck in "figuring this out". Gabby, as always, that's some good ole authentic frontier gibberish.
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Post by chris92065 on Jun 27, 2015 7:24:50 GMT -8
Ok stadium is one thing but.....
Which has influence b ball more fisher or cox arena
There us go
Why don't we crowd fund to get a coach at the 3 mil per year
If you guys are confident about raising 400 mil for a stadium/land
Then raising 20 mil for a real coach should be a snap. A harbaugh type coach
Money talks
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2015 7:28:22 GMT -8
I love Aztec football, but we are now considered a basketball school. When are we going to get over it. Our golden ticket to a new conference goes though our basketball team. When you ask anyone about SDSU what do they say? "You have a really good Basketball team" time to move on.....an on campus stadium is not coming. BB is fun to watch, but about as meaningful to a new conference goal as women's field hockey.
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on Jun 27, 2015 7:34:31 GMT -8
I love Aztec football, but we are now considered a basketball school. When are we going to get over it. Our golden ticket to a new conference goes though our basketball team. When you ask anyone about SDSU what do they say? "You have a really good Basketball team" time to move on.....an on campus stadium is not coming. I believe this may be one of the most ignorant posts I have ever read. I will cite just two articles (but could post many more) that blows your post to shreds. “I think everyone in this department understands that for us to keep up means (football and basketball) getting out there and rising to that level so that, financially, the rest of us can do it,” Van Wyk said. “They are the ones that bring in the dollars for this program and we are not going to do it the same as the other conferences because we don't have a (huge) television contract.” newscenter.sdsu.edu/sdsu_newscenter/news_story.aspx?sid=75493First of all, we know, or should know, that football is the bell cow of virtually every school's athletics program -- yes, even at Kentucky, and it isn't even a close call:"What most people don’t understand is that every school is a football school. The amount of revenue that football can generate dwarfs even the greatest basketball programs," said Mark Nagel, associate professor in the sport and entertainment management department at the University of South Carolina. "Certainly the fans identify with what sport wins the most, but football just has the potential to make so much more money with attendance and television contracts."The 2012-13 athletic budget approved in the summer by the UK Board of Trustees shows that football is slated to produce $27.6 million in revenue while spending $9.5 million — for a profit of $18.1 million.
By comparison, men’s basketball, even coming off a national championship, is projected to produce $20.8 million in revenue, while spending $12.6 million — for an $8.2 million profit.
Now, think about that for a minute. The football program, as bad as it is, generates over twice as much net revenue as the basketball program, as good as it is. That is a staggering statistic, and should leave every Kentucky fan thinking about football, and what it means to the university athletics programs.www.aseaofblue.com/2012/9/18/3354632/kentucky-footall-whos-worth-more-uk-basketball-or-footballSo, are you suggesting that SDSU basketball reach the level of Kentucky in the Big West or the WAC (because we would not be in the MWC or even the WCC without a football program)? Even if we did (lol) our entire athletic department would take a huge hit. You had better pray we get a P5 invite or at the very least become the top team in both football and basketball in the the MWC on a regular basis. Or better yet you better support the SDSU football program as much as you support the SDSU basketball program.
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Post by pbnative on Jun 27, 2015 7:54:31 GMT -8
Ok stadium is one thing but..... Which has influence b ball more fisher or cox arena There us go j Why don't we crowd fund to get a coach at the 3 mil per year If you guys are confident about raising 400 mil for a stadium/land Then raising 20 mil for a real coach should be a snap. A harbaugh type coach Money talks No Viejas = No Fisher It could be argued that playing in a Charger run stadium causes SDSU financial Losses in excess of $1 Million a year that could go to coaches salaries. Advertising, parking and Concessions are all actual income that the Aztecs bring in, but are denied by the Chargers. It seems to me the school is fundraising to amass a large foundation for which to expand and improve the University. Right now they have to be in a wait n see mode until the Chargers leave or stay. We will see in a few months how things will play out. Pretty sure with the Jam Center opening the athletic building will be getting more upgrades and expanded football facilities.
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Post by HighNTight on Jun 27, 2015 9:47:03 GMT -8
So the best idea I have heard on this thread is also one I had heard from some Chargers fans early on too ... if you want to show your support for something, start a fundraising campaign. Now there are a few issues when you are talking about trying to raise hundreds of millions of dollars without the express backing of the institution you're trying to support (Chargers or Aztecs). In the case of the Chargers, it would have weakened their leverage to have been associated with such an effort that fell short of their financial goals or worse, one that achieved them. I will conjecture that the university would want to clear some legal issues before being allowed to associate with such an effort -- and without the expressed support of the university, I do not think such an effort would be as successful in raising substantial amounts. When the time does come to crowd-source funds for an Aztecs Stadium, we should support local business and use GoFundMe ... perhaps they could be counted on for sponsorship & advertising as well ... I am not sure about naming rights, though GoFundMe Stadium is marginally better than Bumble Bee Seafood Stadium (I can hear it now -- the tuna bowl) but can beggars really be choosers when a company is putting out $1M or more per year?
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Post by AztecWilliam on Jun 27, 2015 9:53:22 GMT -8
then please do not be surprised if, in a few years, Aztec football has either died or continues to struggle to rise above the level of a New Mexico, San Jose State, or even . . god help us! . . . the average Mid American Conference school. We have been there and we were what we thought we were. Speak for yourself. I, for one, was appalled by the generally disappointing state of Aztec football post 1980. I continue to believe, despite the greater odds faced by second tier programs in today's world of college football, that SDSU still has a chance to rise at least to the level of the lower to mid-range P5 schools. Example: Oregon State was pretty bad last year, yet we did not really come close to beating them. Unlike schools such as Idaho, New Mexico State, Eastern Michigan, and many others, SDSU really does possess enough assets that we should be able to beat a poor Oregon State team. Or what turned out to be a mediocre North Carolina team, for that matter. It is still not too late to become, if not Top-10, at least one of the top three or four Group of Five programs. But to reach that goal, the administration at SDSU needs to be as smart and forward-looking as the administrations that have been leading Boise State, BYU, and other successful G5 schools. (Question: Did you know that Marshall won 13 games last year and was ranked in the Top-25? Other schools that won 10 or more were Memphis=10 wins, Northern Illinois=11 wins, Colorado St., Utah St., Air Force, all 10 win teams. And, of course, Boise State, who won 12 games including a win over Arizona in the Fiesta Bowl. If they can do it . . . possibly excepting BSU's achievements . . . why can't SDSU? No, it's not too late to see Aztec football become relevant nationally, but that won't happen unless the school makes a serious commitment to boosting the program. We can start that by making it clear that a 7 or 8 win season in Rocky Long's fifth year as head coach will not be good enough. I've made fun of Nebraska for firing its coach despite his record of consistently winning 9 or more games a season. On second thought, I see that the Cornhuskers did have their reasons for doing that (e.g., Pelini reputedly was somewhat lacking in people skills.) In our case, firing the head coach after a winning season would make sense if one concludes, as I do, that it's just not going to get any better without new leadership on the sidelines.. I'm hoping that Rocky Long makes a fool out of me by winning 10 or more this year and at least plays for the MWC championship. AzWm
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Post by FLAztec4Life on Jun 27, 2015 9:56:04 GMT -8
I love Aztec football, but we are now considered a basketball school. When are we going to get over it. Our golden ticket to a new conference goes though our basketball team. When you ask anyone about SDSU what do they say? "You have a really good Basketball team" time to move on.....an on campus stadium is not coming. I believe this may be one of the most ignorant posts I have ever read. I will cite just two articles (but could post many more) that blows your post to shreds. “I think everyone in this department understands that for us to keep up means (football and basketball) getting out there and rising to that level so that, financially, the rest of us can do it,” Van Wyk said. “They are the ones that bring in the dollars for this program and we are not going to do it the same as the other conferences because we don't have a (huge) television contract.” newscenter.sdsu.edu/sdsu_newscenter/news_story.aspx?sid=75493First of all, we know, or should know, that football is the bell cow of virtually every school's athletics program -- yes, even at Kentucky, and it isn't even a close call:"What most people don’t understand is that every school is a football school. The amount of revenue that football can generate dwarfs even the greatest basketball programs," said Mark Nagel, associate professor in the sport and entertainment management department at the University of South Carolina. "Certainly the fans identify with what sport wins the most, but football just has the potential to make so much more money with attendance and television contracts."The 2012-13 athletic budget approved in the summer by the UK Board of Trustees shows that football is slated to produce $27.6 million in revenue while spending $9.5 million — for a profit of $18.1 million.
By comparison, men’s basketball, even coming off a national championship, is projected to produce $20.8 million in revenue, while spending $12.6 million — for an $8.2 million profit.
Now, think about that for a minute. The football program, as bad as it is, generates over twice as much net revenue as the basketball program, as good as it is. That is a staggering statistic, and should leave every Kentucky fan thinking about football, and what it means to the university athletics programs.www.aseaofblue.com/2012/9/18/3354632/kentucky-footall-whos-worth-more-uk-basketball-or-footballSo, are you suggesting that SDSU basketball reach the level of Kentucky in the Big West or the WAC (because we would not be in the MWC or even the WCC without a football program)? Even if we did (lol) our entire athletic department would take a huge hit. You had better pray we get a P5 invite or at the very least become the top team in both football and basketball in the the MWC on a regular basis. Or better yet you better support the SDSU football program as much as you support the SDSU basketball program. Well, thanks the fact that I'm alumni with years of sitting in the football stands, give me the right the make "ignorant" statements. Believe it or not the fact that you would post a book to make a point, says a lot. Glad we all must have the same opinion to be able get along.....we eat our own!!!!
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Post by AztecWilliam on Jun 27, 2015 9:56:00 GMT -8
I love Aztec football, but we are now considered a basketball school. When are we going to get over it. Our golden ticket to a new conference goes though our basketball team. When you ask anyone about SDSU what do they say? "You have a really good Basketball team" time to move on.....an on campus stadium is not coming. Its all about football. You lose the football, the basketball goes down with it. Man, you said it! And in far fewer words than I usually use. Let's think in terms of making football here as important as hoops. It needn't be a case of either or. AzWm
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on Jun 27, 2015 10:07:56 GMT -8
I believe this may be one of the most ignorant posts I have ever read. I will cite just two articles (but could post many more) that blows your post to shreds. “I think everyone in this department understands that for us to keep up means (football and basketball) getting out there and rising to that level so that, financially, the rest of us can do it,” Van Wyk said. “They are the ones that bring in the dollars for this program and we are not going to do it the same as the other conferences because we don't have a (huge) television contract.” newscenter.sdsu.edu/sdsu_newscenter/news_story.aspx?sid=75493First of all, we know, or should know, that football is the bell cow of virtually every school's athletics program -- yes, even at Kentucky, and it isn't even a close call:"What most people don’t understand is that every school is a football school. The amount of revenue that football can generate dwarfs even the greatest basketball programs," said Mark Nagel, associate professor in the sport and entertainment management department at the University of South Carolina. "Certainly the fans identify with what sport wins the most, but football just has the potential to make so much more money with attendance and television contracts."The 2012-13 athletic budget approved in the summer by the UK Board of Trustees shows that football is slated to produce $27.6 million in revenue while spending $9.5 million — for a profit of $18.1 million.
By comparison, men’s basketball, even coming off a national championship, is projected to produce $20.8 million in revenue, while spending $12.6 million — for an $8.2 million profit.
Now, think about that for a minute. The football program, as bad as it is, generates over twice as much net revenue as the basketball program, as good as it is. That is a staggering statistic, and should leave every Kentucky fan thinking about football, and what it means to the university athletics programs.www.aseaofblue.com/2012/9/18/3354632/kentucky-footall-whos-worth-more-uk-basketball-or-footballSo, are you suggesting that SDSU basketball reach the level of Kentucky in the Big West or the WAC (because we would not be in the MWC or even the WCC without a football program)? Even if we did (lol) our entire athletic department would take a huge hit. You had better pray we get a P5 invite or at the very least become the top team in both football and basketball in the the MWC on a regular basis. Or better yet you better support the SDSU football program as much as you support the SDSU basketball program. Well, thanks the fact that I'm alumni with years of sitting in the football stands, give me the right the make "ignorant" statements. Believe it or not the fact that you would post a book to make a point, says a lot. Glad we all must have the same opinion to be able get along.....we eat our own!!!! You are welcome. I am happy to provide you with facts rather than opinion. Of course we can have differing opinions and still get along; that's part of what this message board is for. However, when you make a false blanket statement as you did I am compelled to provide facts that paint the picture of reality of SDSU's athletic department. If you can provide facts to the contrary I would be happy to read and respond to it. It is good to hear you support SDSU football and I sincerely hope it continues. Go Aztecs!
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Post by AccessBowlTime on Jun 27, 2015 11:15:32 GMT -8
Did you notice the score on the scoreboard in their future Stadium rendering "Bulldogs 34 Aztecs 3". Hope it is exactly the opposite this season. That's Bulldogshit. Number of times Cal State Fresno has beaten us by 31 or more points = 0 (at least since we moved up to DIA in 1969) Number of times we've beaten them by that much = 3
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Post by AccessBowlTime on Jun 27, 2015 11:16:36 GMT -8
I love Aztec football, but we are now considered a basketball school. When are we going to get over it. Our golden ticket to a new conference goes though our basketball team. When you ask anyone about SDSU what do they say? "You have a really good Basketball team" time to move on.....an on campus stadium is not coming. Its all about football. You lose the football, the basketball goes down with it.Ding Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner!
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Post by pbbroker on Jun 27, 2015 13:31:47 GMT -8
After the charger decision is made this conversation can start.
Until them it's all hot air.
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on Jun 27, 2015 14:24:44 GMT -8
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Post by Village Aztec on Jun 27, 2015 15:46:37 GMT -8
Why would any Mountain West school want to spend money to improve an on Campus Stadium when they have a pro stadium to play in? Would they not want to improve salaries? They improve on campus stadiums because there is no other stadium that is better.
Have any of you been developers? You don't buy property and then fight with the neighbors for years.
The winners are the attorneys.
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