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Post by sdsudevil on Jun 26, 2015 14:30:21 GMT -8
I don't see how we can do a deluxe on Campus Stadium after we pay attorneys fees. We can't get a shovel in the grown for years. We did not get the Jam center funded very easily. Other States help their schools more then California can. A pro stadium put us at the top. We need more money for salaries soon as well. I think more people would (and would have to) open their wallets for a FB stadium versus a practice facility. There are more financing streams that would likely be leveraged (HnT has touched on it). It would be an incredible feat to do it, and yes it would take time. But nothing will happen if everyone is defeated before we start. "Let's not try, because it is too hard/costly" should not be in our heads, if that is what we want. Tie a clause into donations that we all know about when we donate (ie if the stadium does not happen exactly as planned, it rolls into the contingency options outlined prior). Of course, Chargers are taking precedent but dre is correct, be prepared to try and rally the troops to get something done. Or at least stay mute if you don't want to participate.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2015 14:30:36 GMT -8
We can't get a shovel in the grown for years. I don't think ANYONE can do that. I've taken a shovel to the groin, though... Not a pleasant experience.
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Post by dlangford9 on Jun 26, 2015 14:34:59 GMT -8
We can't get a shovel in the grown for years. I don't think ANYONE can do that. I've taken a shovel to the groin, though... Not a pleasant experience.
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Post by myownwords on Jun 26, 2015 14:36:41 GMT -8
I don't see how we can do a deluxe on Campus Stadium after we pay attorneys fees. We can't get a shovel in the grown for years. We did not get the Jam center funded very easily. Other States help their schools more then California can. A pro stadium put us at the top. We need more money for salaries soon as well. California makes "different" choices. They could fund our stadium for example, but instead our politicians throw money at--- with rapturous frenzy over 200-year old technology--a train. Oh wait, they put "bullet" in front of it, to make it go down easier.
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Post by Sdsu4life on Jun 26, 2015 14:37:29 GMT -8
Looks pretty impressive! I have been up there for at least three games that I can recall and had a good time there. They have loud fans that take pride in their teams. Some thugs, but that is to be expected from a place like Fresno. I just hope that our future here in San Diego gets cleared up. I hope that it is not an on campus idea. I remember all the opposition from the neighbors that held up Viejas for years. Nice stadium; only one problem… it is located in Fresno. (I hope my reformatting this post is okay with everyone. I'm sure a lot of readers will look at a massive paragraph and move on to the next post without reading it. For the record, I think this is the first time I've done this in the six years of administering AztecMesa. I think it is a lot more readable now.
WLR.)
That means absolutely nothing. And it is quite evident too. I grew up in a city just like fresno. I spent many of my college aged years in fresno. Yes, the city itself is not San Diego. But it is not that bad of a city. A lot of nice communities surrounding it and it is no different than any other city in terms of crime or the type of people it attracts. San Diego has gangs too. Bigger ones than Fresno. Ya, it gets pretty hot there, but that never bothered me. It gets hot everywhere. Too many people on here keep wondering why a city like fresno attract recruits over a school in a city like San diego. It is pretty easy. The city has very little to do with it. Like I said, I spent many college aged years in Fresno hanging around college kids, experiencing the athletics, partying etc. I did the same at San Diego state. In SD. we partied in the Dorm, apartments and houses. The beach, the weather, the attractions had nothing to do with us parting in the dorms, apartments and houses. The same happens in Fresno. Students and Student athletes party in the apartments, dorms and houses. Them being surrounded by farms rather than beaches has zero affect on them parting in the dorms, apartments and houses. Yes, no questions San Diego is a better city than fresno, but that has little barring for student athletes. For people who are older, out of college, onto the real world, yes the city we live in makes a worlds difference. But for college students and student athletes, the plays a small part. What makes fresno better is that it is a small community that has one team, that is it and that's who they go all out in supporting. In san diego, everything is watered down. There is too much to do in san diego and too big of a city for people to really care about any one sport team. With fresno, that is all they have. And if the schools location had any barring on the performance of the schools athletic program, then schools like Bama, Notre Dame, Texas, Oklahoma, etc wouldn't be some of the greatest athletic programs in NCAA history. I'd take a school in a small knit community any day than in a city with 3+ million. I absolutely love San Diego. It is the greatest city, but you have to understand college sports, especially college football. It is about a close knit community and family. You find that in Fresno, you don't find that in San Diego. Everything is watered down when it comes to sports and enough people caring. The city doesn't shut down for SDSU Football. The city doesn't shut down for Charges football. The city doesn't shut down for Padres games. Fresno DOES shutdown for Fresno games. And being a bystander of that, experiencing the student sections, partying before the games and after, there was no experience like that. That unfortunately doesn't exist. That is what recruits, not us having beaches. Me experiencing the college life at SDSU had nothing to do with the city itself and had nothing to do with the beach. Experiencing the college life has to do with the actual University. Now...basketball...that is a whole different story. What we have for basketball is very rare and amazing. Gives me goosebumps reliving my time in the SHOW and experiencing all that. But, for those student athletes, them coming to San Diego had nothing to do with the beaches or the weather. Now, as a person out of college, and for you all two who are in your professional lives, ya the location in which we live is huge, and San Diego is the best. Amazing beaches, amazing things to do, the nightlife and endless of family things to do. You can't get that in Fresno. That is where Fresno can be called a dump. But all of that has very little to do with the college life and experience student athletes look for. I hate to say it too, but Fresno having an on campus standium surrounding by student apartments and frat row does make a difference. Now, prospects aren't saying "they don't have an on campus stadium, so I don't want to play there" That is not the type of effect it has. The type of effect it has is the whole big effect it has on the college life atmosphere. That type of thing even attract non student athletes that wants to be part of that experience. That is something we will just never have. Even if we get a new stadium at the current qualcomm site, we still will never have what the likes of Fresno has, and for some future prospects, that will be a driving factor. So, for all of you who come on here and cry wondering why we can't out recruit a school that lives in a more inferior city than us, there is your answer. You are a fan that sits in the stands, you aren't a college student anymore. You don't think like them. Our beaches and the cit that surrounds us has very little to do with recruiting. No question it is an angle some coaches will want to play when trying to make a recruit forget about offers from the likes of fresno, but there is so much more. You are entitled to your own opinion, not your own facts.
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Post by pbnative on Jun 26, 2015 14:46:18 GMT -8
I don't see how we can do a deluxe on Campus Stadium after we pay attorneys fees. We can't get a shovel in the grown for years. We did not get the Jam center funded very easily. Other States help their schools more then California can. A pro stadium put us at the top. We need more money for salaries soon as well. A Pro stadium with a $1,500,000 a year price tag for rent. SDSU is barely getting by now paying a 1/3 of that at the Q. It would much rather Sterk work in the background to line up funds to break ground on an SDSU stadium. Even if the school had to finance part of it's own stadium SDSU would still come out on top, and that isn't factoring incohe from secondary events.
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Post by originalshow00 on Jun 26, 2015 14:52:47 GMT -8
Ante up. I guess thats what I'm getting at. $$$ SHOW ME THE MONEY!!!!$$$Ante up for what there is no site,plan etc.lol
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Post by sdsudevil on Jun 26, 2015 14:57:05 GMT -8
$$$ SHOW ME THE MONEY!!!!$$$ Ante up for what there is no site,plan etc.lol On this very board people have spoken on how there were a couple options identified as possible by our administration. An initial plan or intial design could be done for fairly cheap but it would be nothing worth showing, and would be a terrible thing to try and broadcast to the public anyways, since it would certainly change. No point doing an EIS (which would be a guarantee), traffic, or ornate site plan, costing lots of cash, before figuring out the Chargers situation.
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Post by AztecWilliam on Jun 26, 2015 15:34:13 GMT -8
Well, it's long past time that we should have been thinking about our stadium situation. The difference between Fresno State and us is that the Bulldogs are all in for their FB program. Here? Well, I'm sure that the administration is happy every time the Aztecs win, but if they don't? Well, maybe next time, and, anyway it's nearly time for basketball.
It's my belief (quite possibly a minority one) that SDSU can only become a solid, year-after-year member of the Top-25 if it owns and uses its own on-campus stadium. Please, spare me all the reasons why SDSU is unlikely ever to build its own on-campus stadium. I know them all and now stipulate for the record that all those reasons are very real. In fact, I will go further. I think, sadly, that even rising to the level of Boise State is highly improbable.
Improbable, but not impossible.
We had our chance. By the late 1970s, we were a promising up and coming program. But that momentum was squandered by stupidity on the part of SDSU's administration. Meanwhile, those who led BYU athletics knew what they were doing. Later, those in control at Fresno, Northern Illinois, Marshall, Central Florida, and especially Boise State did the same. Meanwhile, SDSU's administration continued their imitation of a Punch and Judy puppet show. screwing up decision after decision. Ask yourself this question; What the hell happened? Here was a program that had recorded 17 straight winning seasons (1961-1977) and was playing and often beating schools such as Arizona, Florida St., Miami of Florida, Wisconsin, Iowa State, and Oregon State. All the while drawing very large and enthusiastic crowds. How is it that such a great start could have degenerated to a point that the program recorded no winning seasons for 11 straight years ('99-'09) and a won/lost record of 48-86? You almost have to deliberately sabotage a college football program to bring about that kind of collapse.
I very much suspect that the administration on the Mesa either (A) has no idea what to do about bringing this program back to where it was 35 years ago, or (B) has decided that the school and its fans will never be able to provide sufficient funds to get the job done, or (C) really doesn't care much what happens.
Yes, building our own stadium (even obtaining control of the Q) will be very difficult and costly. So be it. Nothing can be done on the cheap in this field. If Fresno State can put 86 million dollars merely to upgrade their stadium (which is right across the street from their campus, by the way) and we can do nothing, then please do not be surprised if, in a few years, Aztec football has either died or continues to struggle to rise above the level of a New Mexico, San Jose State, or even . . god help us! . . . the average Mid American Conference school. There are a few of us who attended that great landmark game one night in '62 when Kern Carson ran wild in the fog to lead San Diego State to a huge upset win over Fresno State! I was there, and it literally breaks my heart to see how the great prospects created by Don Coryell and Claude Gilbert have been flushed down the toilet by leaders who had no vision.
If we want better, there must be leadership not afraid to step up to the mike and make known our goals. It may be too much to expect Churchill-like rhetoric (We shall never surrender!), but it would be reassuring if the president of the university were to make a formal statement saying, in effect, that this school will do what it takes to make Aztec football second to none. Well, at least second to none in this sorry conference.
No one will follow if no one leads. Right now no one associated with the university is making the kind of bold statement that might well rally the Aztec fan base. In this case, silence is not golden.
AzWm
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Post by AztecWilliam on Jun 26, 2015 15:44:01 GMT -8
Its an arms race Colorado State has shovels in the dirt, an now Fresno announces renovations to Bulldog Stadium. Never thought I'd have anything nice to say about that turd of a school, but it looks nice. We need to figure out OUR stadium issue. This will be a recruiting "one-up" on SDSU- we could find ourselves with the likes of SJSU as far as football facilities go- not to mention stuck behind. www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXrUVxgVchk&feature=youtu.bewww.gobulldogs.com/view.gal?id=181624What makes you think SDSU isn't take the stadium arms race seriously? What would you like them to do, announce we're building a new stadium then have the Chargers stay & build a better one on the same spot we're planning to build on?
If the Chargers stay, SDSU gets to recruit to a stadium that will make Fresno weep. If the Chargers leave, then there will be plans put in motion for the future which are already being explored. The latter is probably better for us, but if they stay it won't be the end of the world by any means.
Not much you can do until the Chargers thing is resolved, which shouldn't be too long. You can't undo decisions made long ago re: SDSU's stadium issues. You can only adapt to situations moving forward, and right now we're tied to the Chargers until it's resolved.
This issue has been hashed over many times, but I'll take this opportunity to point out to you that playing in a new, pricey NFL stadium has more drawbacks than pluses. And, no, we do not have to wait until the issue is resolved. As things stand now, it will probably be resolved without one tiny bit of input from SDSU. Furthermore, there had better be a lot of contingency planning underway on the Mesa right now. AzWm
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Post by pbbroker on Jun 26, 2015 16:13:38 GMT -8
Of this big time promotion while our "leaders" enjoy their cocktail parties, discussing basketball and thumping their chests about a "practice" facility, which--I believe--remains unfunded by several million. Please correct me about the funding. No news...surprise. I believe it is funded and came in under budget; not 100% on that. 100 percent. Privately funded !
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Post by sdcoug on Jun 26, 2015 16:32:59 GMT -8
What makes you think SDSU isn't take the stadium arms race seriously? What would you like them to do, announce we're building a new stadium then have the Chargers stay & build a better one on the same spot we're planning to build on?
If the Chargers stay, SDSU gets to recruit to a stadium that will make Fresno weep. If the Chargers leave, then there will be plans put in motion for the future which are already being explored. The latter is probably better for us, but if they stay it won't be the end of the world by any means.
Not much you can do until the Chargers thing is resolved, which shouldn't be too long. You can't undo decisions made long ago re: SDSU's stadium issues. You can only adapt to situations moving forward, and right now we're tied to the Chargers until it's resolved.
This issue has been hashed over many times, but I'll take this opportunity to point out to you that playing in a new, pricey NFL stadium has more drawbacks than pluses. And, no, we do not have to wait until the issue is resolved. As things stand now, it will probably be resolved without one tiny bit of input from SDSU. Furthermore, there had better be a lot of contingency planning underway on the Mesa right now. AzWm Yes there are issues with playing in a NFL stadium, which is why I referenced that them leaving is preferred when it comes to the Aztecs in my prior post. But IF they stay and build a new stadium in MV they will be able to recruit to a world class facility, which is a lot more than they can do now.
Who said their waiting on anything? I said they can't put any plans in motion until the issue is resolved with the Chargers, can they? And yes, they have been working on contingency plans for a long time now and continue to do so. Things change & things evolve as well.
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Post by AztecWilliam on Jun 26, 2015 17:01:09 GMT -8
It just occurred to me that one thing (risky, I admit) SDSU could do to influence the stadium talks is to make it clear that the university will sue if the city hands the Spanoses hundreds of millions to build a stadium that completely ignores the Aztecs. Why not? After all, it's public money, and should be spent for public purposes. Helping SDSU expand its facilities and/or build a new stadium to be used in part by the Aztecs, are worthy causes that should take precedent over handing a super rich family a truck load of cash. In other words, with public money involved, it's ours as much as it is the Chargers'.
Yeah, I suppose the administration at SDSU would toss their lunch at the thought, but hard ball is something the Chargers understand.
AzWm
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Post by jdaztec on Jun 26, 2015 17:22:17 GMT -8
Did you notice the score on the scoreboard in their future Stadium rendering "Bulldogs 34 Aztecs 3". Hope it is exactly the opposite this season.
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Post by aztecfred on Jun 26, 2015 17:40:12 GMT -8
then please do not be surprised if, in a few years, Aztec football has either died or continues to struggle to rise above the level of a New Mexico, San Jose State, or even . . god help us! . . . the average Mid American Conference school.
We have been there and we were what we thought we were.
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on Jun 26, 2015 20:23:40 GMT -8
I believe it is funded and came in under budget; not 100% on that. 100 percent. Privately funded ! I was part of that private funding. Just waiting for SDSU to give the green light on a fund raising campaign so I can stroke my check to help privately fund a new SDSU stadium.
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Post by tttrojan4life on Jun 26, 2015 22:15:34 GMT -8
I have read with great interest all of the stadium threads. I have 2 questions-
1. What is the estimated cost to renovate the Q- making it acceptable to both the Chargers and Aztecs? 2. When will the Charger situation come to a conclusion? Is there a deadline to all of this?
Sorry if this has already been addressed.
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on Jun 26, 2015 22:39:14 GMT -8
I have read with great interest all of the stadium threads. I have 2 questions- 1. What is the estimated cost to renovate the Q- making it acceptable to both the Chargers and Aztecs? 2. When will the Charger situation come to a conclusion? Is there a deadline to all of this? Sorry if this has already been addressed. 1. No renovation of the Q will be acceptable to the Chargers; only a new $1 billion + stadium will do (and that probably isn't enough). 2. The Chargers have already walked away from the negotiating table. NFL owners will hold a special meeting about a potential relocation of a team or teams to Los Angeles on Aug. 11 in Chicago Owners will receiver further updates on those three markets, but are not expected to approve either of the proposed stadium sites in the LA area in August. They will discuss moving up the timeframe for the Chargers, Rams and Raiders to apply to relocate, but almost certainly won't take action on that until their October meetings in New York. The window for application begins in January, but could be moved up into the fall. www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2015/06/04/special-nfl-owners-meeting--la-set--aug-11/28480763/www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow/la-sp-sn-nfl-meeting-august-move-to-la-20150604-story.htmlSo, when will the Charger situation come to a conclusion?... Not soon enough!
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Post by retiredaztec on Jun 26, 2015 22:47:09 GMT -8
Its an arms race Colorado State has shovels in the dirt, an now Fresno announces renovations to Bulldog Stadium. Never thought I'd have anything nice to say about that turd of a school, but it looks nice. We need to figure out OUR stadium issue. This will be a recruiting "one-up" on SDSU- we could find ourselves with the likes of SJSU as far as football facilities go- not to mention stuck behind. www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXrUVxgVchk&feature=youtu.bewww.gobulldogs.com/view.gal?id=181624Let me just, real quick note.....every MW member with the exception of SDSU, UH and UNLV has an on campus stadium. UNLV has apparently received a "commitment" of a half a billion dollars to be built on what is most plentiful in Vegas..desert. And as I've said before, if Vegas REALLY wants it, it will happen, (but why?). SDSU on the other hand, shot its wad when it chose not to look past its own nose and gut the Aztec Bowl for Cox Arena. Now, apparently State, and you, feel it's OK to wipe the slate after the fact and start from scratch with a "1/3 billion dollar" investment from who knows where, (and why?). Ironically, these two, over the long haul, are the two most pathetic football programs in the conference, (maybe not so ironic). (And UH is on life support so, who cares?). Now what I see is two programs that want to throw a major party, and there may well be no one interested in attending. I said this some time ago, as much as those that live in the mecca of collegiate and professional sports that be San Diego, love to poke fun at fellow MW members, I'll say it again...five years from now, these programs know where they'll be playing. I truly wish you luck in "figuring this out".
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Post by tttrojan4life on Jun 27, 2015 2:42:57 GMT -8
I have read with great interest all of the stadium threads. I have 2 questions- 1. What is the estimated cost to renovate the Q- making it acceptable to both the Chargers and Aztecs? 2. When will the Charger situation come to a conclusion? Is there a deadline to all of this? Sorry if this has already been addressed. 1. No renovation of the Q will be acceptable to the Chargers; only a new $1 billion + stadium will do (and that probably isn't enough). 2. The Chargers have already walked away from the negotiating table. NFL owners will hold a special meeting about a potential relocation of a team or teams to Los Angeles on Aug. 11 in Chicago Owners will receiver further updates on those three markets, but are not expected to approve either of the proposed stadium sites in the LA area in August. They will discuss moving up the timeframe for the Chargers, Rams and Raiders to apply to relocate, but almost certainly won't take action on that until their October meetings in New York. The window for application begins in January, but could be moved up into the fall. www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2015/06/04/special-nfl-owners-meeting--la-set--aug-11/28480763/www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow/la-sp-sn-nfl-meeting-august-move-to-la-20150604-story.htmlSo, when will the Charger situation come to a conclusion?... Not soon enough! Thanks for the explanation.
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