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Post by HighNTight on May 28, 2015 14:12:31 GMT -8
I totally understand what your opinion is, it was clear in your long rant. I just don't agree with your opinion. (btw, it's also an assumption that having an nfl team does anything at all special for SD.) Every time they're on National TV it gives FREE Advertising for San Diego as a place to visit, whether it's for pleasure or business. They always show the beaches, the sunsets, the parks/zoo during the broadcast. I can't imagine the cost of that time if the Visitors Bureau had to buy the time for their advertisements. That's just one simple benefit. so exactly how much is the San Diego taxpayer on the hook for this "free advertising"? wouldn't that money be better spent on actual tourism marketing?
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Post by hoobs on May 28, 2015 14:44:31 GMT -8
Shouldn't be. And what budget does 'or some such' fit into? General bull$#!+! ...which is also an apt description of this entire fiasco!
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Post by rebar619 on May 28, 2015 15:00:34 GMT -8
Every time they're on National TV it gives FREE Advertising for San Diego as a place to visit, whether it's for pleasure or business. They always show the beaches, the sunsets, the parks/zoo during the broadcast. I can't imagine the cost of that time if the Visitors Bureau had to buy the time for their advertisements. That's just one simple benefit. so exactly how much is the San Diego taxpayer on the hook for this "free advertising"? wouldn't that money be better spent on actual tourism marketing? I agree HnT that the advertising is not in fact free, but the value of it is huge for a city that is tourism dependent.
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Post by McQuervo on May 28, 2015 15:03:49 GMT -8
I sincerely hope the Chargers move. Enough of this BS and Spanos BS. Chargers ownership need to get off the pot and move to a market that is anchored historically in NFL failure. Not that I want them to fail rather I believe their move will vault the Aztecs to be the community focus and inspire facility change. McQ- The Aztecs themselves are responsible for their own community focus. Play exciting football, win a high %, and play foes that people care to see and they'll be there with or without the Chargers. Bruce, Not always so simple in the case in College FB (see different teams, different regions>see Fresburg, Wazzu, Okla State for a few examples). SDSU Athletic Marketing is (as it has been since Steve S was/"is" involved) abysmal. This Charger drama is old and never ending. They deserve LA.
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Post by AccessBowlTime on May 28, 2015 15:30:14 GMT -8
Notice how every news outlet, regardless of the medium, keeps ignoring the Aztecs? It's always a new "Chargers stadium." Heard that most recently on an LA news radio station today. We are paying the price for having thrown in our lot with the Chargers nearly 50 years ago. If Aztec football eventually dies, whoever it was who could not see the wisdom of keeping Aztec Bowl as a backup just in case made a huge, huge mistake. Possibly a fatal one for the program. Yes, I know. Too late now. AzWm Dan Sileo and Joe Tutino talked about the Aztecs and a new Chargers stadium for a few minutes yesterday morning. Sileo opined that SDSU football will probably die if it doesn't get built. Tutino replied that there are too many moving parts to know. What does yours truly think? I'm with aardvark in just wanting to get the effing thing over and done with. One thing I'm sure of, however, is that although for many years I was completely neutral about the Chargers, I will now forever detest them and hope they suck worst than the suckiest sucks who ever sucked. At least until the Spanoi sell the team and Fibiani loses his golden goose.
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Post by AccessBowlTime on May 28, 2015 15:39:43 GMT -8
Long rant because this is the "sleepy town" attitude that prevails in this city. I want to see San Diego be the most it can be. I'd like to see more big companies come here instead of LA or Orange County, or moving out of here. We're the eight largest city in the country but we sure don't act like it. I'm fine with people having a different viewpoint but I'm sure as hell not going to agree with it. My point is, there are benefits to having a NFL team in San Diego that goes beyond dollars and cents and can't really be measured. I think it's an assumption that the money would go to improving roads or helping the poor. Who knows where that money will be spent. I totally understand what your opinion is, it was clear in your long rant. I just don't agree with your opinion. (btw, it's also an assumption that having an nfl team does anything at all special for SD.) Jaduh is 100% correct about the sleepy town attitude. I've always referred to it as the aloha spirit on the mainland. Business can get very cutthroat in L.A. and the Bay Area in comparison to San Diego. I'm not saying that's bad or good for SD, just it is what it is and the tradeoff for being America's Finest City is that SD will never be a world class city in the sense of having the international name recognition the other two have.
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Post by AztecWilliam on May 28, 2015 15:50:05 GMT -8
You miss my point. Were Aztec Bowl still available, it could be turned into a 40K seat stadium for a fraction of the cost of such a stadium build from scratch. It's pretty clear that the admin. on the Mesa was not looking far enough ahead when it build the arena. And, now that I think of it, that mistake was made in the '80s. not the '60s. As for putting money on the table now, that is simply not realistic. And not a good idea in any case. AzWm William- You're living in the past. Aztec Bowl has NOTHING to do with this thread. It's over. Move on. Aztec Bowl is indeed a dead issue. The fact that it's dead is because the school made a horribly short-sighted decision to place, for god's sake, a BASKETBALL ARENA on top of a football stadium! That decision may, in the long run, have made it tough for Aztec football to survive. Okay, fine, let's more on. But to what? I'm afraid that with the old on-campus stadium gone, there is only one option left. And it's not a very promising one. Short of the Chargers leaving town and SDSU taking over the Mission Valley site, our only alternative is to be forced to pay much higher rent to play in a stadium that is much too large and fancy for our needs, and which offers SDSU no revenue from parking and concessions. And if you think we are going to get a separate locker room or other Aztec only features, you really are dreaming. The Chargers know that the city is desperate to keep them. That being the case, I seriously doubt they would be eager to accommodate the needs of SDSU's football program. Why should they? After all, they and the city are negotiating a deal for a "Chargers stadium," remember? AzWm
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2015 18:27:24 GMT -8
I totally understand what your opinion is, it was clear in your long rant. I just don't agree with your opinion. (btw, it's also an assumption that having an nfl team does anything at all special for SD.) Every time they're on National TV it gives FREE Advertising for San Diego as a place to visit, whether it's for pleasure or business. They always show the beaches, the sunsets, the parks/zoo during the broadcast. I can't imagine the cost of that time if the Visitors Bureau had to buy the time for their advertisements. That's just one simple benefit. Certainly true, but then again, it's not the only (or best) way to get the exposure you mention above. I do understand that you'd like the chargers to remain in SD... it's fine to have that hope. Maybe it will happen for you and others who want it.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2015 18:28:57 GMT -8
I totally understand what your opinion is, it was clear in your long rant. I just don't agree with your opinion. (btw, it's also an assumption that having an nfl team does anything at all special for SD.) Fair enough. I like it... a civil response! We can agree to disagree! =)
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Post by aztecbolt on May 29, 2015 0:57:04 GMT -8
William- You're living in the past. Aztec Bowl has NOTHING to do with this thread. It's over. Move on. Aztec Bowl is indeed a dead issue. The fact that it's dead is because the school made a horribly short-sighted decision to place, for god's sake, a BASKETBALL ARENA on top of a football stadium! That decision may, in the long run, have made it tough for Aztec football to survive. Okay, fine, let's more on. But to what? I'm afraid that with the old on-campus stadium gone, there is only one option left. And it's not a very promising one. Short of the Chargers leaving town and SDSU taking over the Mission Valley site, our only alternative is to be forced to pay much higher rent to play in a stadium that is much too large and fancy for our needs, and which offers SDSU no revenue from parking and concessions. And if you think we are going to get a separate locker room or other Aztec only features, you really are dreaming. The Chargers know that the city is desperate to keep them. That being the case, I seriously doubt they would be eager to accommodate the needs of SDSU's football program. Why should they?After all, they and the city are negotiating a deal for a "Chargers stadium," remember? AzWm Money talks so if SDSU wants to make this happen, they need to pitch in some money to the pot IMO. Otherwise, they're really risking not having a say on anything, regardless of what Adam Day said.
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Post by hoobs on May 29, 2015 4:12:39 GMT -8
SDSU $$$ just being "pitched in" would be money down the drain by the time negotiations are through. Like I've said, the only money well spent by SDSU in this fiasco would be to purchase the 75 acres... that's the only way for SDSU to be financially involved with a real return on their investment.
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Post by gocoaztec on May 29, 2015 4:52:09 GMT -8
San Diego - your City needs a new stadium. The Aztecs and the Chargers are both part of the fabric of your community. Find some leaders who can LEAD and get it done. Get some leaders who can build a TEAM out of the City, SDSU and the Chargers.
Can SDSU go it alone? Probably. Would we be stronger with a true partnership with the City and Chargers? IMHO, yes.
Go Aztecs!
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Post by hoobs on May 29, 2015 5:25:51 GMT -8
Chargers and "true partnership" have been a joke for a couple decades for how they have treated SDSU at the Q up to this point.
If there's a reason folks think the Chargers would be such more hospitable "partners" with SDSU this time around... please share.
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Post by fredgarvinmp on May 29, 2015 8:30:27 GMT -8
so exactly how much is the San Diego taxpayer on the hook for this "free advertising"? wouldn't that money be better spent on actual tourism marketing? I agree HnT that the advertising is not in fact free, but the value of it is huge for a city that is tourism dependent. The SDTA spends 10+million each year on small 30 second ads and billboards that appear in VERY specific target markets like Phoenix and Seattle, you can do the math on a single 3-hour program nation-wide that focuses on San Diego.
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Post by myownwords on May 29, 2015 8:33:19 GMT -8
San Diego - your City needs a new stadium. The Aztecs and the Chargers are both part of the fabric of your community. Find some leaders who can LEAD and get it done. Get some leaders who can build a TEAM out of the City, SDSU and the Chargers. Can SDSU go it alone? Probably. Would we be stronger with a true partnership with the City and Chargers? IMHO, yes. Go Aztecs! Wow. I agree with you.
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Post by myownwords on May 29, 2015 8:34:59 GMT -8
Chargers and "true partnership" have been a joke for a couple decades for how they have treated SDSU at the Q up to this point. If there's a reason folks think the Chargers would be such more hospitable "partners" with SDSU this time around... please share. Kind of difficult to know, yes? I mean since Sterky and Hirshy remain open-mouth breathing, not talking.
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Post by ab on May 29, 2015 8:36:27 GMT -8
Every time they're on National TV it gives FREE Advertising for San Diego as a place to visit, whether it's for pleasure or business. They always show the beaches, the sunsets, the parks/zoo during the broadcast. I can't imagine the cost of that time if the Visitors Bureau had to buy the time for their advertisements. That's just one simple benefit. so exactly how much is the San Diego taxpayer on the hook for this "free advertising"? wouldn't that money be better spent on actual tourism marketing? Nope! People keep complaining about all those fans from other teams at the Q cheering on their teams. Most all those people are adding tourism dollars to the coffer as they follow their football team. There's NO WAY to quantify what sort of value comes from the FREE advertising during National Events....and that includes the Holiday Bowl, which has a fairly large tv market.
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Post by ab on May 29, 2015 8:39:09 GMT -8
McQ- The Aztecs themselves are responsible for their own community focus. Play exciting football, win a high %, and play foes that people care to see and they'll be there with or without the Chargers. Bruce, Not always so simple in the case in College FB (see different teams, different regions>see Fresburg, Wazzu, Okla State for a few examples). SDSU Athletic Marketing is (as it has been since Steve S was/"is" involved) abysmal. This Charger drama is old and never ending. They deserve LA. It's not so much Charger drama. It's San Diego drama, with small minds in charge. At least Faulconer is stepping up to the plate and taking his hacks to try to fix this mess. And yes, it is that simple....the Aztecs need to play exciting football, win, and play teams people want to see. It is that simple.
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Post by ab on May 29, 2015 8:41:32 GMT -8
William- You're living in the past. Aztec Bowl has NOTHING to do with this thread. It's over. Move on. Aztec Bowl is indeed a dead issue. The fact that it's dead is because the school made a horribly short-sighted decision to place, for god's sake, a BASKETBALL ARENA on top of a football stadium! That decision may, in the long run, have made it tough for Aztec football to survive. Okay, fine, let's more on. But to what? I'm afraid that with the old on-campus stadium gone, there is only one option left. And it's not a very promising one. Short of the Chargers leaving town and SDSU taking over the Mission Valley site, our only alternative is to be forced to pay much higher rent to play in a stadium that is much too large and fancy for our needs, and which offers SDSU no revenue from parking and concessions. And if you think we are going to get a separate locker room or other Aztec only features, you really are dreaming. The Chargers know that the city is desperate to keep them. That being the case, I seriously doubt they would be eager to accommodate the needs of SDSU's football program. Why should they? After all, they and the city are negotiating a deal for a "Chargers stadium," remember? AzWm Might you wait until the final proposal comes forth and see what is in it before bitching about items that you THINK will be or won't be in it?
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Post by ab on May 29, 2015 8:42:04 GMT -8
Chargers and "true partnership" have been a joke for a couple decades for how they have treated SDSU at the Q up to this point. How so hoobs?
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