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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2015 8:32:46 GMT -8
Tell us, how many experts who have experience with stadium deals and the NFL think the Chargers are staying in SD as of today? Spanos himself has stated recently that he doesn't want to leave San Diego if things can be worked outt. He may not be that expert you want but he's the only one who matters. And his language, if this is an exact quote, should be pretty telling, unless you are blinded to the truth of the Spanos' aspirations.
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Post by fisherville on May 20, 2015 8:33:11 GMT -8
Insiders are still saying the Chargers are likely leaving SD. That can't be a good sign. Until someone really credible like schefter or rapoport say something it means nothing, the local media is just making educational guesses they have no more sources on this issue than you or I.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2015 8:38:24 GMT -8
Insiders are still saying the Chargers are likely leaving SD. That can't be a good sign. Until someone really credible like schefter or rapoport say something it means nothing, the local media is just making educational guesses they have no more sources on this issue than you or I. I would tend to agree with you and really anything can still happen at this point. I will say this however, media folks tend to know a lot more than they will ever print, local or otherwise. Even if they have never been told we are leaving, or we are staying, they have enough access to know the Chargers likely intent. This is why the general somber tone of the media should have locals worried. Let me repeat I actually want the Chargers to stay but firmly believe they will look to leave unless we provide them Downtown, or MV becomes a development that rivals 99% of NFL stadiums. Because of this I am concerned that CSAG and the city are only going through the motions because they are either unwilling or unable to provide the Chargers with what they truly want.
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Post by ab on May 20, 2015 8:50:36 GMT -8
Until someone really credible like schefter or rapoport say something it means nothing, the local media is just making educational guesses they have no more sources on this issue than you or I. I would tend to agree with you and really anything can still happen at this point. I will say this however, media folks tend to know a lot more than they will ever print, local or otherwise. Even if they have never been told we are leaving, or we are staying, they have enough access to know the Chargers likely intent. This is why the general somber tone of the media should have locals worried. Let me repeat I actually want the Chargers to stay but firmly believe they will look to leave unless we provide them Downtown, or MV becomes a development that rivals 99% of NFL stadiums. Because of this I am concerned that CSAG and the city are only going through the motions because they are either unwilling or unable to provide the Chargers with what they truly want. You're wrong about the media. They ALL want to be the first to announce a scoop/story. They'll do anything to be the first. The day we (AWF) snuck the AW into the stadium and unveiled him vs. ASU (were you there), I had media even follow me into the stadium restrooms hoping that I would let them know exactly where the AW would first appear. It was really funny. I told them ALL the same story because I realized that we needed them in the future and if I wasn't fair to all, we wouldn't get that coverage later on when we needed it.
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Post by ab on May 20, 2015 8:53:19 GMT -8
Spanos himself has stated recently that he doesn't want to leave San Diego if things can be worked outt. He may not be that expert you want but he's the only one who matters. And his language, if this is an exact quote, should be pretty telling, unless you are blinded to the truth of the Spanos' aspirations. I'm not blinded to anything. I'm reading everything and realizing that the media doesn't know anymore than what they are printing. (unlike you) I do believe that the Chargers are giving the City one last shot so we'll just have to wait to see where the negotiations go. If they move then Hirshman and Sterk will have to get off their respective backsides to do what's best for the Aztecs.
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Post by aztecking on May 20, 2015 8:59:59 GMT -8
The majority of people living in the county didn't go to SDSU and have very little connection to the school. Why would they all of the sudden start supporting a mediocre football team?
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on May 20, 2015 9:01:13 GMT -8
I don't see it. We've got hundreds of thousands of alums in this city who ARE NOT BEHIND State athletics so what makes you believe that those non-alums will all of a sudden jump on the bandwagon to run to the Q to watch us play S. Alabama and USD? Aztec basketball gets plenty of recognition locally. Not sure what you want other than what we're getting now. Hundreds of Thousands? Or Maybe one hundred thousand? 30,000 students, 6,000 faculty/staff, 300,000 alumni; 150,000 in the immediate region.
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on May 20, 2015 9:03:50 GMT -8
Winning is EVERYTHING. Only the hardcore will go to games and spend money when the team isn't good. The casual fans need a quality, winning product to get them to devote their time and money. I'm a diehard football fan and I love SDSU but it's pretty tough to watch SDSU football at times. The no name opponents and underachieving just won't bring in casual fans. I do think a new stadium, whether it be their own or with the Chargers will spike interest but after the novelty wears off, it still goes back to winning and having a quality product. One thing that is not a novelty and will not wear off is what a new SDSU stadium will do for recruiting. That will be sustained and help improve the product on the field.
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on May 20, 2015 9:08:21 GMT -8
The majority of people living in the county didn't go to SDSU University of Chargers and have very little connection to the school. Why would they all of the sudden start supporting a mediocre football team? FIFY
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Post by oxomo on May 20, 2015 9:13:59 GMT -8
If the Chargers leave, Kevin Faulconer would need to spin it quickly to not look like a political failure (even if it's not really his fault). A good, likely move would be to embrace college sports and become a college sports town. "If you build it, they will come." This applies to both players and fans. Example: Viegas Arena - new, nice, full to capacity. New basketball training center = more strong players will consider the program. Compare SDSUs football facilities to USCs or even what UCLA is building. You cannot at this point. SDSU football players aren't swayed by the facilities. They are coming bc the want to play football, aren't getting other top offers and/or want to be in San Diego. If you build better facilities for both practice and games, i.e. a top notch training facility, smaller football stadium appropriate for college sports, then better players will consider, come and the fans will follow as well. Example: SDSU basketball program. (And of course, a great coach.)
PS - not really looking for anyone to tear this post apart (like some of you like to do). Just my thoughts. Just my two cents.
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Post by ab on May 20, 2015 9:15:39 GMT -8
Winning is EVERYTHING. Only the hardcore will go to games and spend money when the team isn't good. The casual fans need a quality, winning product to get them to devote their time and money. I'm a diehard football fan and I love SDSU but it's pretty tough to watch SDSU football at times. The no name opponents and underachieving just won't bring in casual fans. I do think a new stadium, whether it be their own or with the Chargers will spike interest but after the novelty wears off, it still goes back to winning and having a quality product. One thing that is not a novelty and will not wear off is what a new SDSU stadium will do for recruiting. That will be sustained and help improve the product on the field. Not sure how much a new SDSU or Chargers stadium would do for recruiting but the fact remains, put a good exciting product on the field will draw fans and recruits. Many recruits have stated they liked the idea of playing in a NFL stadium. Imagine a new state of the art NFL Stadium vs. a good college stadium.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2015 9:20:21 GMT -8
One thing that is not a novelty and will not wear off is what a new SDSU stadium will do for recruiting. That will be sustained and help improve the product on the field. Not sure how much a new SDSU or Chargers stadium would do for recruiting but the fact remains, put a good exciting product on the field will draw fans and recruits. Many recruits have stated they liked the idea of playing in a NFL stadium. Imagine a new state of the art NFL Stadium vs. a good college stadium. Your comments are in contention with real world evidence...but don't let that stop you.
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on May 20, 2015 9:20:47 GMT -8
One thing that is not a novelty and will not wear off is what a new SDSU stadium will do for recruiting. That will be sustained and help improve the product on the field. Not sure how much a new SDSU or Chargers stadium would do for recruiting but the fact remains, put a good exciting product on the field will draw fans and recruits. Many recruits have stated they liked the idea of playing in a NFL stadium. Imagine a new state of the art NFL Stadium vs. a good college stadium. I would rather have a good college stadium that is designed for the specific needs of SDSU; not the NFL. The Aztecs will be an afterthought in any new "San Diego" stadium.
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Post by SD Johnny on May 20, 2015 9:24:30 GMT -8
If the Chargers leave, Kevin Faulconer would need to spin it quickly to not look like a political failure (even if it's not really his fault). It won't take much spin to show that subsidizing an NFL team with more than $647M in public money and assets isn't a smart move in a City that has a pension crisis and is a couple billion short in their infrastructure budget over the next 5 years. And that $647M is the "starting point" for negotiations if any negotiations occur at all as I can't imagine the Chargers have any faith that the voters will go for it.
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Post by sdcoug on May 20, 2015 9:34:42 GMT -8
Until someone really credible like schefter or rapoport say something it means nothing, the local media is just making educational guesses they have no more sources on this issue than you or I. I would tend to agree with you and really anything can still happen at this point. I will say this however, media folks tend to know a lot more than they will ever print, local or otherwise. Even if they have never been told we are leaving, or we are staying, they have enough access to know the Chargers likely intent. This is why the general somber tone of the media should have locals worried. Let me repeat I actually want the Chargers to stay but firmly believe they will look to leave unless we provide them Downtown, or MV becomes a development that rivals 99% of NFL stadiums. Because of this I am concerned that CSAG and the city are only going through the motions because they are either unwilling or unable to provide the Chargers with what they truly want. My neighbor is on the Charger staff & he's always saying the media paints a LOT darker picture than what those who are actually employed by the Chargers believe. They're a lot more optimistic than what the media portrays> None are looking for places in LA for February quite yet, or are even close.
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Post by HighNTight on May 20, 2015 9:36:23 GMT -8
SDSU fans that see opportunity should the Chargers leave town form that opinion based on simple economics...if Coke & Pepsi cease to exist RC Cola is going to see a bump in sales as a result (use whatever other econ example you prefer if you don't like that one). Upon hearing this, Charger Honks exhibit the first stage of grief (denial) and scoff at the notion that SDSU and the Chargers compete in any way, shape or form....let alone for fans dollars or media attention. In fact, they argue that having the Chargers in town actually HELPS the Aztecs and their very existence relies on the Chargers remaining in San Diego. I find that opinion humorous and can't wait till the Mayflower vans show up at the Chargers practice facility. The sky in my word is blue (not power blue & gold). Saying this is simple economics is making a pretty big assumption that consumers would see SDSU football as a substitute good for Chargers football. Will there be any people that see it that way? Of course, but there is no way that it would have the same level of substitutability that RC Cola would have for Coke or Pepsi. College football and NFL football are very different products, especially college football at the level that SDSU plays. when was the last time we were treated to good Chargers football? With the local media stations having to fill time on newscasts -- San Diego could evolve into a nice college football town with more attention paid to the Aztecs and even the Toreros.
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Post by hoobs on May 20, 2015 9:37:14 GMT -8
If the Chargers leave, Kevin Faulconer would need to spin it quickly to not look like a political failure (even if it's not really his fault). It won't take much spin to show that subsidizing an NFL team with more than $647M in public money and assets isn't a smart move in a City that has a pension crisis and is a couple billion short in their infrastructure budget over the next 5 years. And that $647M is the "starting point" for negotiations if any negotiations occur at all as I can't imagine the Chargers have any faith that the voters will go for it. The Chargers have done much of his work for him... all he'd have to do is point to the Chargers very public efforts re. Carson as evidence that they never really wanted to stay in SD and were merely engaging in kabuki theater so as to minimize the risk of pissing off existing Chargers fans they hope will maintain their season tix up in LA.
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Post by HighNTight on May 20, 2015 9:42:06 GMT -8
The majority of people living in the county didn't go to SDSU and have very little connection to the school. Why would they all of the sudden start supporting a mediocre football team?Strangely, I hear that same thing said about support for the Chargers too
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Post by chris92065 on May 20, 2015 9:59:02 GMT -8
I don't believe so.
If the Aztecs were in the pac fudge then maybe.
The chances of us getting into the pac fudge slim to none.
The early estimates are in and buying land from Qualcomm is 3 mil per acre.
A decent stadium is 250 mil.
Do the Aztecs really want to spend that much coin for a sport?
Will it be even profitable?
I don't the Chargers being here has much of an impact on the Aztecs as people think.
I think the greatest impact has been the inability to establish a history of winning.
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Post by HighNTight on May 20, 2015 10:07:56 GMT -8
I don't believe so. If the Aztecs were in the pac fudge then maybe. The chances of us getting into the pac fudge slim to none. The early estimates are in and buying land from Qualcomm is 3 mil per acre. A decent stadium is 250 mil. Do the Aztecs really want to spend that much coin for a sport? Will it be even profitable? I don't the Chargers being here has much of an impact on the Aztecs as people think. I think the greatest impact has been the inability to establish a history of winning. Well we are learning that the Chargers don't think that spending more than $200M on a stadium in San Diego is profitable. I think you underestimate the present amount of competition for entertainment dollars in San Diego and the substitutional value of much more affordable tickets to Aztecs games in addition to all those other things they'll be able to afford to do.
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