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Post by HighNTight on May 20, 2015 11:34:41 GMT -8
I think the Rams and Raiders are coming back to LA. That would contradict prior comments from the NFL that they only wanted 2 SoCal teams. I would have to guess the Spanos' would raise hell about that one...especially if they don't end up in downtown SD. I could see the Rams staying put, Kroenke purchasing the raiders and then moving them to LA though. What is to stop Kroenke from purchasing the Chargers and moving them to LA instead?
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2015 11:39:16 GMT -8
That would contradict prior comments from the NFL that they only wanted 2 SoCal teams. I would have to guess the Spanos' would raise hell about that one...especially if they don't end up in downtown SD. I could see the Rams staying put, Kroenke purchasing the raiders and then moving them to LA though. What is to stop Kroenke from purchasing the Chargers and moving them to LA instead? You think the Spanos' are looking to sell?
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Post by survalli on May 20, 2015 11:53:02 GMT -8
San Diego will only back a winner, and a winner is not part of the MWC and never will be. (minus basketball)
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Post by HighNTight on May 20, 2015 11:54:31 GMT -8
What is to stop Kroenke from purchasing the Chargers and moving them to LA instead? You think the Spanos' are looking to sell? I wish he had sold the team long before now -- the amount of debt that the team will be taking on to move to LA appears to be a move to grow their earning potential and sell. If the Inglewood deal gets approved and not Carson, what are the Spanoi going to do? St. Louis is adamant that the team is not leaving the City, but Kroenke is still taking a team to LA. That really just leaves the Chargers and the Raiders. Which team is the better investment? Kroenke could do big things with the Chargers, just wish he would do them in SD.
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Post by HighNTight on May 20, 2015 11:56:00 GMT -8
San Diego will only back a winner, and a winner is not part of the MWC and never will be. (minus basketball) That would explain the poor Chargers attendance over the years ... but what do I know, I am from San Diego and I support both the Chargers and the Aztecs in good times and bad regardless of conference.
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Post by aztecbolt on May 20, 2015 12:42:16 GMT -8
You have to compare the level at which the Chargers and the Aztecs are at. Hypothetically, the Chargers have the possibility of playing in the Super Bowl every year. The Aztecs could go undefeated and it won't matter. They can't compete for a National Championship. The Aztecs can win all the Holiday Bowls or Idaho Potato Bowls and it really won't mean much to the average fan, because honestly, outside of the top 4-5 bowl games, who cares? If they were competing for a National Championship or at least a major bowl game, then you would see fans across the city get excited about the team.
NCAA basketball is a different story because of the NCAA tournament. That gets a lot more people revved up because SDSU has a shot to be a national champion.
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Post by mnico213 on May 20, 2015 12:43:28 GMT -8
But it's not just playoff wins it's about the quality of the games being played here. What is SDSU's best home win during those past 5 years? dude, 1 playoff win since 2009 means that in that time the Chargers are mediocre at best -- losing as much as they have won ... if you want to compare it to the Aztecs winning records over the last 5 seasons, beating Boise St 2x in the last 3 tries and a conference title (shared) in 2012 then go right ahead all I said is we have not been treated to good chargers football in a long time The Chargers have been mediocre over that time, I agree, but that wasn't my point in the original post you responded to. I was talking about the quality of the entertainment here regarding going to Chargers games vs. going to Aztecs games. I just didn't agree with the initial point (not yours, the post I initially responded to) that a lot of people are going to buy into Aztecs games being a viable substitute to Chargers games all other things being equal.
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Post by Luchador El Guerrero Azteca on May 20, 2015 12:45:03 GMT -8
Losing an NFL team takes away some sports history, enjoyment and fan focus from that sport. But once the shock and bitterness wears off, I think SDSU and especially Men's BB will rule this city for a big part of the sports calendar. The Chargers dominate the radio, TV and newspaper not just during the regular season but around NFL draft time and even the summer. No matter how great the Aztecs BB or FB games were on Saturdays up till the end of January, all sports guys could talk about on Monday was what the Chargers did that weekend. I am looking forward to having the city even more collectively behind Aztec teams when/if the Chargers go. The Men's BB program is far and away the most successful program in town, maybe now it will get the recognition it deserves. To paraphrase Frasier Crane, "what color is the sky in your world?".. Red and Black. Yours?
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on May 20, 2015 12:47:20 GMT -8
Meh, 1 playoff win in the last 5 years ... But it's not just playoff wins it's about the quality of the games being played here. What is SDSU's best home win during those past 5 years? Give me a break. The Chargers are part of the NFL and have professional athletes. The AZTECS are a G5 D-I program that has student-athletes.
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Post by aztecking on May 20, 2015 13:02:02 GMT -8
The majority of people living in the county didn't go to SDSU University of Chargers and have very little connection to the school. Why would they all of the sudden start supporting a mediocre football team? FIFY If you can't tell why someone would be more inclined support the pro team that represents their city than a college team in their city that they never attended, then I don't know what to say cause you're too far gone.
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Post by aztecbolt on May 20, 2015 13:14:41 GMT -8
If you can't tell why someone would be more inclined support the pro team that represents their city than a college team in their city that they never attended, then I don't know what to say cause you're too far gone. Agreed. Pro sports teams become a matter of civic pride for the city that you live/grew up in/born in. It seems to me that college teams don't experience this phenomenon except for maybe in the south. Of my friends here in SD that went to other universities, they have zero interest in SDSU sports but they do have interest in their alma mater's teams. They are big Padres and Charger fans though.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2015 13:19:52 GMT -8
San Diego will only back a winner, and a winner is not part of the MWC and never will be. (minus basketball) The MWC is worse in bball than in football. Keep trying to fool yourself to the contrary.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2015 13:32:42 GMT -8
If you can't tell why someone would be more inclined support the pro team that represents their city than a college team in their city that they never attended, then I don't know what to say cause you're too far gone. The point is that sdsu has college grads here who have a connection to the school and, therefore, the athletic dept. No one ever said anything about non-sdsu grads supporting the school over the chargers. I think you may be too far gone.
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Post by mnico213 on May 20, 2015 13:44:29 GMT -8
But it's not just playoff wins it's about the quality of the games being played here. What is SDSU's best home win during those past 5 years? Give me a break. The Chargers are part of the NFL and have professional athletes. The AZTECS are a G5 D-I program that has student-athletes. Yeah, if you read the whole conversation, that was my entire point. A lot of people won't accept Aztecs games as a substitute for Chargers games because they are completely different things. They're not RC Cola vs. Coke where people will say oh, you don't have coke yeah I'll have a RC instead. I was never debating the quality of the Chargers with respect to the NFL vs. the quality of the Aztecs with respect to MW/NCAA/whatever.
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Post by HighNTight on May 20, 2015 14:04:18 GMT -8
dude, 1 playoff win since 2009 means that in that time the Chargers are mediocre at best -- losing as much as they have won ... if you want to compare it to the Aztecs winning records over the last 5 seasons, beating Boise St 2x in the last 3 tries and a conference title (shared) in 2012 then go right ahead all I said is we have not been treated to good chargers football in a long time The Chargers have been mediocre over that time, I agree, but that wasn't my point in the original post you responded to. I was talking about the quality of the entertainment here regarding going to Chargers games vs. going to Aztecs games. I just didn't agree with the initial point (not yours, the post I initially responded to) that a lot of people are going to buy into Aztecs games being a viable substitute to Chargers games all other things being equal. All things are not equal though ... first being the difference in cost of a ticket to go to an Aztecs game is much lower than a Bolts game. Second being no Bolts game to go to giving a sports fan time an money to spend on other things. If, on average just 10,000 fans choose to spend that money and time at an Aztecs Football game, that would result in attendance nearing 40K, adding to the atmosphere and the experience as well as the AD funds of the school. It would be up to the Aztecs to keep the fans interested, but with less competition for the entertainment dollar -- football fans will find value in SDSU
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Post by mnico213 on May 20, 2015 14:19:36 GMT -8
The Chargers have been mediocre over that time, I agree, but that wasn't my point in the original post you responded to. I was talking about the quality of the entertainment here regarding going to Chargers games vs. going to Aztecs games. I just didn't agree with the initial point (not yours, the post I initially responded to) that a lot of people are going to buy into Aztecs games being a viable substitute to Chargers games all other things being equal. All things are not equal though ... first being the difference in cost of a ticket to go to an Aztecs game is much lower than a Bolts game. Second being no Bolts game to go to giving a sports fan time an money to spend on other things. If, on average just 10,000 fans choose to spend that money and time at an Aztecs Football game, that would result in attendance nearing 40K, adding to the atmosphere and the experience as well as the AD funds of the school. It would be up to the Aztecs to keep the fans interested, but with less competition for the entertainment dollar -- football fans will find value in SDSU Yeah, my main issue with this whole argument is the part in bold above. I just don't think it would be anywhere near that number. I think a very good SDSU team with the Chargers still here would draw significantly better than a decent/pretty good team with the Chargers gone. I think the impact of the Chargers leaving would be minimal at most in driving additional sales of tickets. Obviously, this is just my opinion, but the issue I took with the initial post was that it said it was simple economics that SDSU football will benefit from the Chargers leaving as RC Cola would with Pepsi and Coke gone and I think you are making a major assumption by assuming the substitutability of the Aztecs vs. the Chargers games would be at all similar.
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Post by HighNTight on May 20, 2015 14:19:35 GMT -8
Give me a break. The Chargers are part of the NFL and have professional athletes. The AZTECS are a G5 D-I program that has student-athletes. Yeah, if you read the whole conversation, that was my entire point. A lot of people won't accept Aztecs games as a substitute for Chargers games because they are completely different things. They're not RC Cola vs. Coke where people will say oh, you don't have coke yeah I'll have a RC instead. I was never debating the quality of the Chargers with respect to the NFL vs. the quality of the Aztecs with respect to MW/NCAA/whatever. The Aztecs won't need to win them all over right away ... if we're talking about people "fans" that don't go to games anyway (Chargers or otherwise) then do they really count? Are we talking about actual attendance at games or just plain fans in general? As I understand the numbers, only 20% of the general population are even sports fans to begin with ... of that 20% you must divide between the many sports (football, baseball, basketball, soccer, hockey, golf, horse racing, Nascar etc.) of those divisions, how many actually attend events in person? How many fans support a team for a reason other than geography? LA has no pro team right now and both UCLA and USC have seen gains in their attendance over the last 20 years ... not all those fans are alumni. If you want to bring in the Pac-12 is better argument, then shouldn't that have been true when there were NFL teams to begin with? The increase can indeed be attributed to the lack of an NFL team to compete with for entertainment dollars and support.
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Post by HighNTight on May 20, 2015 14:23:38 GMT -8
All things are not equal though ... first being the difference in cost of a ticket to go to an Aztecs game is much lower than a Bolts game. Second being no Bolts game to go to giving a sports fan time an money to spend on other things. If, on average just 10,000 fans choose to spend that money and time at an Aztecs Football game, that would result in attendance nearing 40K, adding to the atmosphere and the experience as well as the AD funds of the school. It would be up to the Aztecs to keep the fans interested, but with less competition for the entertainment dollar -- football fans will find value in SDSU Yeah, my main issue with this whole argument is the part in bold above. I just don't think it would be anywhere near that number. I think a very good SDSU team with the Chargers still here would draw significantly better than a decent/pretty good team with the Chargers gone. I think the impact of the Chargers leaving would be minimal at most in driving additional sales of tickets. Obviously, this is just my opinion, but the issue I took with the initial post was that it said it was simple economics that SDSU football will benefit from the Chargers leaving as RC Cola would with Pepsi and Coke gone and I think you are making a major assumption by assuming the substitutability of the Aztecs vs. the Chargers games would be at all similar. The problem is that the economics have been proven in other Cities that have lost their NFL teams and seen an increase in attention, attendance and support. While the reverse would also be true -- competition with an NFL team will see divided attention, attendance and support. So yes, simple economics.
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Post by vision on May 20, 2015 14:30:37 GMT -8
it's not like the CHARGERS are leaving the planet. EVEN if they leave San Diego. The sports talk and focus will STILL be on them as the United States is driven by the NFL. They are only moving a hundred miles north.
I WISH the Aztecs will benefit if the Chargers leave. I don't see the upside.
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Post by HighNTight on May 20, 2015 14:37:04 GMT -8
it's not like the CHARGERS are leaving the planet. EVEN if they leave San Diego. The sports talk and focus will STILL be on them as the United States is driven by the NFL. They are only moving a hundred miles north. I WISH the Aztecs will benefit if the Chargers leave. I don't see the upside. I suspect the support for the Chargers locally will be about the same as support for the Clippers, Lakers, Ducks, Kings & Galaxy in San Diego in terms of media coverage ... and if there's a 2nd team in LA (be it the Raiders, Rams or whomever) then I expect that team would also receive a portion of that media time dedicated to non-local professional sports.
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