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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2015 14:01:39 GMT -8
Well, so much for coming to this site to get some thoughtful feedback and ideas from people who have an SDSU bias. What is it you want to hear?
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Post by AccessBowlTime on May 18, 2015 14:02:10 GMT -8
The reason I'm not surprised he didn't shoot it down is because the citizens have been resolute in not kowtowing down to the Chargers so in combination with the NFL applying pressure about finalizing a stadium deal for L.A., the Chargers have a lot less leverage than they did before. No matter what they might say, they aren't serious about trying to move to Carson. You know it, I know it and the vast majority of those following along know it. So their back is against the wall and it can be expected they'll now make what can be considered a counter-proposal to what's in the CSAG recommendation. It can also be expected that a major part of it is saying there's no way they can put $300M into the deal. Just watch. They'll offer something like going up to $230M or so and say that's their bottom line which will put the ball back in the mayor's court. Let's see what happens. No doubt the Chargers will have some objections but let's wait and see what they are. FWIW- Most recent NFL rumor is that Kronke sells the Rams, they stay in St Louis, and he buys the Raiders, and moves them to Inglewood. Don't know where you heard that but next to some new digs for SDSU football, to me the most important aspect of all this stuff is that the Raiders don't return to L.A. However, as I mentioned last week, Fred Roggin seems to have more interest in this stuff than anybody in L.A. sports radio and Roggin speculated about that very thing. He did speculate that with the Davis family finally out of the picture after half a century that a new owner could soften the image to the point where a lot of the hoodlums that have followed the team will find somebody else to root for. (Maybe go up to Fresno and root for the local college team there?) That makes sense since unlike the Allens, Kroenke is known to have some class. ISo if that happened it wouldn't bother me so much if the Raiders returned to L.A.
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Post by HighNTight on May 18, 2015 14:06:10 GMT -8
"[The] financing plan, created by Mayor Kevin Faulconer’s stadium task force, includes $200 million from the NFL, $300 million from the Chargers and another $300 million in rent payments from the team over the next 30 years — $10 million per year." There is so much wrong with this plan I don't know where to begin -- but the things that stand out for me: How similar this is to the Petco deal in that the General Fund will be used both to guarantee the bonds and to backstop shortfalls in revenue (this time for much more than $275M). The Sale of 75 acres for $225M to developers based on the preposition of relaxed zoning seems problematic as well as the creation of an infrastructure enhancement zone to capture additional taxes to pay for highway and street improvements that have not been included in this estimate. They are trying to avoid a public vote by trying to keep the sale below 80 acres ... not sure that will be successful. I see they did not include the repayment costs of the present stadium bond obligations and back rent owed to the Water Authority or the cost to purchase Water Authority property from that agency in order to be included in a sale to the developers. So I have to ask, and do so in good faith, what is your background that you feel you can speak on this as an expert? I am honestly not trolling, just want to have context on your comments. I am not a credentialed "Expert" but if you are asking for my qualifications to opine on this subject ... Political Science undergrad from Columbia & MBA - Real Estate Finance, SDSU
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Post by ab on May 18, 2015 14:07:20 GMT -8
Can you read? I've been plenty clear. How sad is it that I have to repeat myself to YOU over and over and over because you choose to only read what you want to read? I've done far more for that school and athletic dept than you've ever thought of so if you really want to talk about my "mo" you had best know what it is. ReREAD the past post and as I've said over and over, State people should be overjoyed that they have options, ride the coattails of a new San Diego Stadium or build their own. Some seem to think they have the $ or can raise the $ so how much are you going to kick in? Tell me. What does, "Sorry junior, I don't know how many f'ing times I've said I don't want the Chargers to move out of town. What part of that don't you get? That's my ONLY agenda."Your words seem to mean something other than what you intended. Stop getting so bent out of shape about it. You think giving money in the past buys you the ability to do whatever you want? I'm glad you keep talking about how much you USED to give, shows what kind of person you are. That's my ONLY agenda as it relates to the Chargers. If you can't comprehend the rest then go back to school. You missed some classes in logic. I'm glad you can deduce what kind of person I am based on what I use to give and do. Just like anything else there's a limit to one can do. 7 or more years on the AAF Board of Directors - and you? 10 years as a fundraiser for the AAF - and you? Over 20 years of having football and basketball season tickets - and you? Attended State road football games @ Cal, San Jose ST, Wazzu in Seattle, Ariz St, Ariz, UNLV, Fresno St, Wyoming, Nevada, Ohio St, Notre Dame, MIchigan, Tulsa, Wisconsin etc... - and you? Shall I continue? Dave L is recruiting new members for the Aztec Club Board. Did you volunteer? You're funny in stating that you don't want the Chargers to leave. What have you done about that? Talk is cheap. You talk too much. How many of these questions will you man up to answer?
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Post by ab on May 18, 2015 14:08:11 GMT -8
Dennis Shaw threw the fist aztec pass I ever witnessed in person? you? Steve Copp hit the 1st jump shot I ever witnessed in person. you? Honestly, how freaking hard is it to grasp that one can be a Charger and Aztecs fan? Is there some sort of purity test I need to go through? Did you not attend the school? I mean that's the crux of my point. If you didn't your position is very easy to understand. Get it? Im from San Diego, Chargers are my earliest memory of sports or fandom. I'm just a kid to you older guys even though I'm in my early 30's. I think the only reason you guys are so worked up is you buy or used to buy charger tickets and like pro ball more than college. There is nothing wrong with that, just don't pretend you are as much an Aztec fan as you are a Charger fan...it just doesnt ring true. you assume far too much.
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Post by ab on May 18, 2015 14:09:17 GMT -8
That's even cuter.
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Post by longtimebooster on May 18, 2015 14:13:23 GMT -8
Here's what I don't get: The Chargers get bumped to $300m, but the NFL stays at $200m. Why isn't the NFL, which has a license to print money, kicking in $300m, $400m or $500m on these projects?
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Post by ab on May 18, 2015 14:13:36 GMT -8
Well, so much for coming to this site to get some thoughtful feedback and ideas from people who have an SDSU bias. What is it you want to hear? I like his sarcastic post. "thoughtful feedback" from "people who have an SDSU bias" So many on here don't like or care for the Chargers or NFL football and then there are those of us who like both pro/Chargers and college football who want it to work out for both sides.
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Post by ab on May 18, 2015 14:15:10 GMT -8
Here's what I don't get: The Chargers get bumped to $300m, but the NFL stays at $200m. Why isn't the NFL, which has a license to print money, kicking in $300m, $400m or $500m on these projects? It's just the first proposal. Maybe the NFL will kick in more and probably they won't. Goodell and co are a greedy bunch no doubt. There will be tweaks in it so we wait for round 2, the Chargers/NFL response to see what they come up with.
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Post by HighNTight on May 18, 2015 14:16:06 GMT -8
Here's what I don't get: The Chargers get bumped to $300m, but the NFL stays at $200m. Why isn't the NFL, which has a license to print money, kicking in $300m, $400m or $500m on these projects? It would do no good to boost that specific category as it's a loan from the NFL that is repaid by the Chargers in annual installments ... easier just to get the money directly from the Chargers -- but I do see your point in that the NFL itself should contribute to the building of the venues of it's teams beyond the "loans" it provides.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2015 14:20:08 GMT -8
Tell me. What does, "Sorry junior, I don't know how many f'ing times I've said I don't want the Chargers to move out of town. What part of that don't you get? That's my ONLY agenda."Your words seem to mean something other than what you intended. Stop getting so bent out of shape about it. You think giving money in the past buys you the ability to do whatever you want? I'm glad you keep talking about how much you USED to give, shows what kind of person you are. That's my ONLY agenda as it relates to the Chargers. If you can't comprehend the rest then go back to school. You missed some classes in logic. I'm glad you can deduce what kind of person I am based on what I use to give and do. Just like anything else there's a limit to one can do. 7 or more years on the AAF Board of Directors - and you? 10 years as a fundraiser for the AAF - and you? Over 20 years of having football and basketball season tickets - and you? Attended State road football games @ Cal, San Jose ST, Wazzu in Seattle, Ariz St, Ariz, UNLV, Fresno St, Wyoming, Nevada, Ohio St, Notre Dame, MIchigan, Tulsa, Wisconsin etc... - and you? Shall I continue? Dave L is recruiting new members for the Aztec Club Board. Did you volunteer? You're funny in stating that you don't want the Chargers to leave. What have you done about that? Talk is cheap. You talk too much. How many of these questions will you man up to answer? I'm a graduate of the 2007 class and a former member of the men's Baseball team. I've maintained season tix for FB since I walked. I buy one-off BB and baseball tix when I can actually make a game. Not everyone has the time or money that it appears you have or once had. Spending money when you have it isn't a big deal. Buying season tix for football when you barely have enough for rent right after you graduate, that would seem more meaningful to me. It's easy to give money when you have it. Glad to know you're such a class act.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2015 14:20:48 GMT -8
We have water colors!
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That blue cast you see on the outer ring? It can change to red at the flip of a switch. Modern technology...
interesting positioning also. East of the current location.
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Post by aardvark on May 18, 2015 14:22:24 GMT -8
Here's what I don't get: The Chargers get bumped to $300m, but the NFL stays at $200m. Why isn't the NFL, which has a license to print money, kicking in $300m, $400m or $500m on these projects? I think the NFL told them the max the league will contribute is $200 mil. I also don't think the Chargers will go above $200 mil. Let the negotiations begin.
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Post by MarshallU on May 18, 2015 14:45:48 GMT -8
enough. ab and spear, go have your little slap fight somewhere else. leave the thread for people that want to talk about the subject rather than comparing donation levels/insults/attempting to prove than i'm a bigger fan that you are.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2015 14:50:12 GMT -8
I wasn't the one wanting to list out contributions...don't worry I'm done talking with folks who pretend to be Aztec fans.
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Post by ab on May 18, 2015 14:52:52 GMT -8
That's my ONLY agenda as it relates to the Chargers. If you can't comprehend the rest then go back to school. You missed some classes in logic. I'm glad you can deduce what kind of person I am based on what I use to give and do. Just like anything else there's a limit to one can do. 7 or more years on the AAF Board of Directors - and you? 10 years as a fundraiser for the AAF - and you? Over 20 years of having football and basketball season tickets - and you? Attended State road football games @ Cal, San Jose ST, Wazzu in Seattle, Ariz St, Ariz, UNLV, Fresno St, Wyoming, Nevada, Ohio St, Notre Dame, MIchigan, Tulsa, Wisconsin etc... - and you? Shall I continue? Dave L is recruiting new members for the Aztec Club Board. Did you volunteer? You're funny in stating that you don't want the Chargers to leave. What have you done about that? Talk is cheap. You talk too much. How many of these questions will you man up to answer? I'm a graduate of the 2007 class and a former member of the men's Baseball team. I've maintained season tix for FB since I walked. I buy one-off BB and baseball tix when I can actually make a game. Not everyone has the time or money that it appears you have or once had. Spending money when you have it isn't a big deal. Buying season tix for football when you barely have enough for rent right after you graduate, that would seem more meaningful to me. It's easy to give money when you have it. Glad to know you're such a class act. Why "Walkon" congratulations. Again, your reading comprehension sucks. I was referring to volunteering TIME. I volunteered my time to raise money, to attend meetings and much MUCH MORE. You were still sucking your thumb when I really volunteered a lot of my not-so-free time for the betterment of the school and athletic department. So, call Dave L and sign up for the Aztec Club Board, be a fundraiser, etc... As far as the Chargers, what have you done to show you want them to stay? I already know the answer, NADA
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Post by ab on May 18, 2015 14:56:36 GMT -8
enough. ab and spear, go have your little slap fight somewhere else. leave the thread for people that want to talk about the subject rather than comparing donation levels/insults/attempting to prove than i'm a bigger fan that you are. I can't help he's a joke. I'm trying to get him to do something for his beloved State like I did. Dude can't stay on the subject of a multipurpose stadium and that State now has a choice, which they should like.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2015 14:59:57 GMT -8
Because volunteering time includes 20 seasons of season tix? And is there not a minimum donation required for making the BOD list? Or am I conflating two separate things?
Either way I was on scholie and was also drafted. I hope that helps straighten out your understanding of me.
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Post by fisherville on May 18, 2015 15:00:42 GMT -8
Ok so what is looking like the most likely outcome? It is up in the air? Or is there a clear leader? Please keep your biases out of it and don't say what you want to happen, just what it looks like will happen. I'm not good with this stuff.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2015 15:01:02 GMT -8
AM, where Charger fans gave their say!
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