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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2015 12:56:21 GMT -8
They have certainly earned the credibility to get those matchups through a decade of outstanding play. All we have to sell is "hey, take a vacation to SD!" Especially with some conferences 9 game schedules, we have to win the respect to get an HnH. Even a 2:1 will be more difficult nowadays. How much of the Aztecs scheduling ability is impacted by: 9-game conference schedules The encouragement of some conferences to schedule 1 P5 OoC SDSU seen as one of the top 10 non-P5s BYU & Army considered P5s by some conferences Are the Aztecs in that scheduling void where some P5s are thinking we're too risky to schedule H&H and only teams like Ohio St & Penn St. are willing to pay for games against us?Sure seems this way. Also have to consider that losing in SD to SDSU means losing in one of the richest recruiting markets in the country. If I'm being honest, looking from the outside in, playing SDSU at this point is far more risk then reward. Now if we can actually get into and stay in the top 25 that will probably end, since a ranked SDSU loss wouldn't be as harmful to larger programs.
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Post by sdsudevil on Apr 23, 2015 13:22:52 GMT -8
They have certainly earned the credibility to get those matchups through a decade of outstanding play. All we have to sell is "hey, take a vacation to SD!" Especially with some conferences 9 game schedules, we have to win the respect to get an HnH. Even a 2:1 will be more difficult nowadays. How much of the Aztecs scheduling ability is impacted by: 9-game conference schedules The encouragement of some conferences to schedule 1 P5 OoC SDSU seen as one of the top 10 non-P5s BYU & Army considered P5s by some conferences Are the Aztecs in that scheduling void where some P5s are thinking we're too risky to schedule H&H and only teams like Ohio St & Penn St. are willing to pay for games against us? I don't know, but I did hope we could have found a way to HnH UNC. A decent name, but winnable non-PAC would be nice, and I thought they fit the mold perfectly. Wouldn't be mad with Minnesota, Maryland, Iowa, K-State, or the like either.
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Post by sdcoug on Apr 23, 2015 13:24:50 GMT -8
AB: Nice to see you actively engaged again. LOL. You take some of the pressure of "correctivity" away from me. It gets tedious. How about a new board where you have to pass a skills test to be register? Wouldn't one which only includes those with boorish and/or sullen personalities be more appropriate?
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Post by sdcoug on Apr 23, 2015 13:30:28 GMT -8
How much of the Aztecs scheduling ability is impacted by: 9-game conference schedules The encouragement of some conferences to schedule 1 P5 OoC SDSU seen as one of the top 10 non-P5s BYU & Army considered P5s by some conferences Are the Aztecs in that scheduling void where some P5s are thinking we're too risky to schedule H&H and only teams like Ohio St & Penn St. are willing to pay for games against us? I don't know, but I did hope we could have found a way to HnH UNC. A decent name, but winnable non-PAC would be nice, and I thought they fit the mold perfectly. Wouldn't be mad with Minnesota, Maryland, Iowa, K-State, or the like either. Those teams don't want to come here, and it's more profitable for us to simply go there.
Why the hate on P12? Those games allow our fan base to more easily travel to away games, such as Cal, while getting teams with very good national appeal. Less travel is more appealing and profitable as well.
SDSU should be announcing a big H & H with one of the better football programs in the nation over the past 5 years, yet I have a feeling many of our fans will never be satisfied with even doing that.
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Post by sdsudevil on Apr 23, 2015 13:35:08 GMT -8
I don't know, but I did hope we could have found a way to HnH UNC. A decent name, but winnable non-PAC would be nice, and I thought they fit the mold perfectly. Wouldn't be mad with Minnesota, Maryland, Iowa, K-State, or the like either. Those teams don't want to come here, and it's more profitable for us to simply go there.
Why the hate on P12? Those games allow our fan base to more easily travel to away games, such as Cal, while getting teams with very good national appeal. Less travel is more appealing and profitable as well.
SDSU should be announcing a big H & H with one of the better football programs in the nation over the past 5 years, yet I have a feeling many of our fans will never be satisfied with even doing that.
I personally don't enjoy the Pac12 as much. It's a personal thing, barely holding any merit. But besides Stanford, we have played them all fairly recently, and it helps stretch brand name out there. UNC fans still know who we are, even having a thread on their forum during the dook game called "I'm rooting for SDSU!" and one of the comments was how nice our fans were in CH.
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Post by sdcoug on Apr 23, 2015 14:38:37 GMT -8
Those teams don't want to come here, and it's more profitable for us to simply go there.
Why the hate on P12? Those games allow our fan base to more easily travel to away games, such as Cal, while getting teams with very good national appeal. Less travel is more appealing and profitable as well.
SDSU should be announcing a big H & H with one of the better football programs in the nation over the past 5 years, yet I have a feeling many of our fans will never be satisfied with even doing that.
I personally don't enjoy the Pac12 as much. It's a personal thing, barely holding any merit. But besides Stanford, we have played them all fairly recently, and it helps stretch brand name out there. UNC fans still know who we are, even having a thread on their forum during the dook game called "I'm rooting for SDSU!" and one of the comments was how nice our fans were in CH. And having people on a message board saying we're nice benefits us how? They're rooting against Dook and even if they were rooting for us (vs. against Dook) are they donating to or supporting our program?
Playing P12 teams benefit us in a lot more ways. Understand the personal bias, but when it comes to what's better for the program playing the UA's, ASU's, Cal's & Stanford's of the world is a much better value proposition. Especially when the UNC's aren't even willing to discuss H&H.
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Post by sdsudevil on Apr 23, 2015 14:58:57 GMT -8
I personally don't enjoy the Pac12 as much. It's a personal thing, barely holding any merit. But besides Stanford, we have played them all fairly recently, and it helps stretch brand name out there. UNC fans still know who we are, even having a thread on their forum during the dook game called "I'm rooting for SDSU!" and one of the comments was how nice our fans were in CH. And having people on a message board saying we're nice benefits us how? They're rooting against Dook and even if they were rooting for us (vs. against Dook) are they donating to or supporting our program? Ever hear a PAC fan ever say that? No, it's a lot of safety school, or "why are we playing them?" Get out to a new place, engage new fanbases. It is why a lot of schools have people who will say "I didn't go there, but I've met a few at a tailgate, good people". Intangible benefit, doesn't mean much in terms of getting games, but just something I've noticed.
Playing P12 teams benefit us in a lot more ways. Understand the personal bias, but when it comes to what's better for the program playing the UA's, ASU's, Cal's & Stanford's of the world is a much better value proposition. Especially when the UNC's aren't even willing to discuss H&H.
Well, really, it's mutually beneficial for PAC to play teams in their backyard, which is why they schedule MWC as much as they do. It's just nice to really see new teams, new locales, and it is good to have your name at least mentioned elsewhere. If we pull out a win in BB against a Pac team, it's not registering except for our little world. A true tree fall in the forest situation. But for recruiting, out of town alums, it does have it's perks. We are going to have an easier time to schedule P12 just because of location. It's good to have those games outside that aren't just a body bag like Penn State, Ohio State are. UNC was a great chance to get a win, and there is just as many benefits of those as getting beat in the PAC, if they agreed to it. But they don't so, it's all a pipe dream for me anyways. Still good to get HnH with Pac teams.
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Post by HighNTight on Apr 23, 2015 15:09:28 GMT -8
And having people on a message board saying we're nice benefits us how? They're rooting against Dook and even if they were rooting for us (vs. against Dook) are they donating to or supporting our program?
Playing P12 teams benefit us in a lot more ways. Understand the personal bias, but when it comes to what's better for the program playing the UA's, ASU's, Cal's & Stanford's of the world is a much better value proposition. Especially when the UNC's aren't even willing to discuss H&H.
Well, really, it's mutually beneficial for PAC to play teams in their backyard, which is why they schedule MWC as much as they do. It's just nice to really see new teams, new locales, and it is good to have your name at least mentioned elsewhere. If we pull out a win in BB against a Pac team, it's not registering except for our little world. A true tree fall in the forest situation. But for recruiting, out of town alums, it does have it's perks. We are going to have an easier time to schedule P12 just because of location. It's good to have those games outside that aren't just a body bag like Penn State, Ohio State are. UNC was a great chance to get a win, and there is just as many benefits of those as getting beat in the PAC, if they agreed to it. But they don't so, it's all a pipe dream for me anyways. Still good to get HnH with Pac teams. We have a few things working for us and against us here in San Diego ... We have rich recruiting grounds in multiple sports (football, basketball, baseball, soccer) so teams should want to play here. Our teams are good enough that we could win, but without a Top25 ranking or a P5 affiliation, -- that is not a loss that many teams can survive. So we're currently a high risk for a lot of teams -- I am happy that most of the Pac-12 is willing to take that risk (mutually beneficial H&Hs). I would like to see more BigXII and B1G teams take that risk and play us H&H; but until we get to a point where a loss to SDSU won't hurt a P5 team, we are where we are ...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2015 15:37:21 GMT -8
I wonder if we could convince one of TTU/KSU/ISU/KU to a FB HnH?
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Post by AccessBowlTime on Apr 23, 2015 15:47:00 GMT -8
Now that it's three weeks past April 1, it's time for SDSU to make the announcement that playing USD was just an April Fool's joke.
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Post by ab on Apr 23, 2015 16:31:43 GMT -8
Their whopping 2 non-Pacfudgers 1 for 1s is a helluva lot better than what we have in case you can't figure that out. Florida St is "decent" in your eyes shows that you still have more to wipe away from your eyes but then I already knew that. You truly are mentally challenged. Nobody today knows what to expect out of Florida St in 2019 -- that team is still in high school ... in case you're wondering, the 2011 Seminoles were 9-4 with a loss to Wake Forrest (6-7) and wins against Maryland (2-10), Duke (3-9) & Boston College (4-8) Yes, and we beat Florida St. So the F what? You dig up more useless bull$#!+ than anybody to "try" to prove a point. Unfortunately most often you've failed. So you're saying that our future schedule is better than Boise State's. Keep wiping.
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Post by ab on Apr 23, 2015 16:33:29 GMT -8
You know you don't have anything legit to say when you respond a week later and are name calling...what a fan Some people (me) have far more important stuff to do than to sit on here day and night every freaking day of the week writing nonsense and posting graphs.
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Post by myownwords on Apr 23, 2015 16:35:11 GMT -8
Now that it's three weeks past April 1, it's time for SDSU to make the announcement that playing USD was just an April Fool's joke. Sadly, our April Fools, are firmly entrenched, running the football program....onto a continuing Mobius strip of stagnation.
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Post by ab on Apr 23, 2015 16:38:34 GMT -8
Now that it's three weeks past April 1, it's time for SDSU to make the announcement that playing USD was just an April Fool's joke. Naw, we're just preparing ourselves to play them annually when we drop a division or two since we might not have a suitable D1 stadium to play in. I plan on being at a real game that night. Let's see, which shall I attend ? .... South Carolina vs. North Carolina in Charlotte Alabama vs Wisconsin @ Jerry's World * Texas A&M vs Arizona St @ NRG Field Houston Auburn vs Louisville @ Georgia Dome
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2015 16:42:11 GMT -8
You know you don't have anything legit to say when you respond a week later and are name calling...what a fan Some people (me) have far more important stuff to do than to sit on here day and night every freaking day of the week writing nonsense and posting graphs. nothing wrong with that. but you still resort to petty name calling, and there is something wrong with that. I have disagreements with a lot of people but I don't call them morons or idiots.
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Post by HighNTight on Apr 23, 2015 16:43:03 GMT -8
You truly are mentally challenged. Nobody today knows what to expect out of Florida St in 2019 -- that team is still in high school ... in case you're wondering, the 2011 Seminoles were 9-4 with a loss to Wake Forrest (6-7) and wins against Maryland (2-10), Duke (3-9) & Boston College (4-8) Yes, and we beat Florida St. So the F what? You dig up more useless bull$#!+ than anybody to "try" to prove a point. Unfortunately most often you've failed. So you're saying that our future schedule is better than Boise State's. Keep wiping. You are a sad, sad little man Aztec Benedict Arnold ... that just doesn't know when you're beat ... you really should take your own advice, and stop posting " more useless bull$#!+ ... to "try" to prove a point". You are a failure as a fan, and as intellectually challenged as you are, I pity you.
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Post by ab on Apr 23, 2015 16:43:24 GMT -8
Some people (me) have far more important stuff to do than to sit on here day and night every freaking day of the week writing nonsense and posting graphs. nothing wrong with that. but you still resort to petty name calling, and there is something wrong with that. I have disagreements with a lot of people but I don't call them morons or idiots. because maybe they aren't unlike a few who are.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2015 16:46:00 GMT -8
nothing wrong with that. but you still resort to petty name calling, and there is something wrong with that. I have disagreements with a lot of people but I don't call them morons or idiots. because maybe they aren't unlike a few who are. Just don't be petty Bruce, that's all man.
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Post by sdcoug on Apr 23, 2015 17:25:38 GMT -8
And having people on a message board saying we're nice benefits us how? They're rooting against Dook and even if they were rooting for us (vs. against Dook) are they donating to or supporting our program? Ever hear a PAC fan ever say that? No, it's a lot of safety school, or "why are we playing them?" Get out to a new place, engage new fanbases. It is why a lot of schools have people who will say "I didn't go there, but I've met a few at a tailgate, good people". Intangible benefit, doesn't mean much in terms of getting games, but just something I've noticed.
Playing P12 teams benefit us in a lot more ways. Understand the personal bias, but when it comes to what's better for the program playing the UA's, ASU's, Cal's & Stanford's of the world is a much better value proposition. Especially when the UNC's aren't even willing to discuss H&H.
YES, often. Talk to people up & down the West coast who are fans of SDSU, ESPECIALLY when we play their rivals! You don't think WSU fans were rooting for us to beat UW? There are just as many a-holes in the ACC as there are in the P12, and just as many good, polite fans. Especially if you're talking message boards.
But more importantly, those who are just being polite aren't donating to the Aztec Club.
I'm all for traveling to games in the Midwest, south, or even back east, and have done so. Considering PSU trip. However, when it comes to what's best for the program I'll take a H&H along the west coast against a big time conference anytime over a single road game to a "new" place.
BTW, some of the nicest fans I've met were at Cal games, so if you want to engage other schools & mingle at tailgates give that place a try next year. Easier & cheaper travel than UNC as well. Same with ASU. Love Friday nights along Mill Ave for games in Tempe.
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Post by longtimesdsufan on Apr 24, 2015 6:58:29 GMT -8
The only way to get a better schedule is to win.
We will not consistently win is to improve our historical QB problem. We rely on transfers instead of developing freshmen.
I think we should pick teams that we can reasonably think we have a chance to win. The problem is that teams schedule 20 years out now.
That means we should make a schedule of gradually increasing difficulty.
That being said, I do like the once in a lifetime trips, Notre Dame for example. West Point is another. West coast schools do not fit that mold.
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