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Post by aztecfan1 on Apr 13, 2015 11:42:56 GMT -8
2-3 guys on ASR have said they heard from the horse's mouth and the U-T article implied that Rocky is very pissed about scheduling USD so maybe he didn't get the memo either. It's not his preference, but at least he gets WHY it happened, unlike many on this board. When I first heard of the possibility of USD back in early Feb. I decided not to say it out loud here. It was too much to get my head around and, then, was hoping it would not come to pass. I tried instead to educate here on the reality of scheduling these days. It has not gotten through to many posters here who think you just walk into the CF scheduling cafeteria and push your tray down the Pac 12 or Big 12 serving area and say "I'll have some of that." At the very least I hope that this exercise has been instructive to many here. USD turned out to be the ONLY alternative (cold pizza) when we got into March/April. Additionally, some don't understand that playing the Aztecs in San Diego is not at all attractive to the P5. The MAC, etc. reasonably want a home and home. Northern Illinois is just that. Even then, not one but two schools bowed out off of verbals. Verbals don't mean squat and losing games within a year means you are looking at very few teams still with openings. I hope that is now clear. Dave L is an insider, believe what he says about the perfect storm that descended on the Aztecs in 2015. It should not happen again, 2106 is full and secure and 2017 has one left, not bad.
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Post by AccessBowlTime on Apr 13, 2015 15:44:00 GMT -8
Not blaming you, 1, since the decision I"m sure isn't yours but I don't understand why, if it's true that two schools failed to meet their verbal commitment to play us on September 5, their identify can't be publicly divulged.
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Post by aztecfan1 on Apr 13, 2015 20:10:22 GMT -8
Not blaming you, 1, since the decision I"m sure isn't yours but I don't understand why, if it's true that two schools failed to meet their verbal commitment to play us on September 5, their identify can't be publicly divulged. That's an interesting question and my surmise is college athletics is a fairly small fraternity. This year's screwed yous are next year's future employers. Many of the characters are changing jobs and don't want to call anyone out. Contrast it to American politics.
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Post by survalli on Apr 13, 2015 21:14:51 GMT -8
2-3 guys on ASR have said they heard from the horse's mouth and the U-T article implied that Rocky is very pissed about scheduling USD so maybe he didn't get the memo either. It's not his preference, but at least he gets WHY it happened, unlike many on this board. oh we get why it happened. and the administration will "get" why we have an even lower turn out than last year at the Q. program is dying. aspire to be more or sink into mediocrity. Its not that i disagree with your passionate defense of all things Red and Black..its just you folks are either intentionally ignoring the real issue of SDSU not being in the p5, or you are just in denial about our prospects. football at SDSU at the D1 level is doomed if we do not push the envelope. SDSU playing USD is full recognization and acceptance of mediocrity. as I said..its so San Diego. absolutely pathetic and backward.
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Post by survalli on Apr 13, 2015 21:17:12 GMT -8
fun question, which would draw a bigger crowd and the greater attention of the public, SDSU-USD or SDSU-Oceanside. as long as we're doing the absurd ... SDSU Aztecs vs SD Chargersno contest, SDSU vrs the Chargers would outsell USD vrs SDSU.....now how about answering my original question...SDSU VRS Oceanside.
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Post by aztecfili on Apr 13, 2015 22:41:13 GMT -8
Many of you on here are a bunch of whiny bitches. I HATE the home schedule, but it is what it is. I'll still support the team and will go to the games." Will you still support them when they drop down to the FCS? What about when the program gets made a club sport? Will you still go to games and support the Aztec football team then? The PWB (Powers that be) read this board. If we don't let the PTB know that this schedule is unacceptable and/or if the PTB don't believe we will with hold our support, then how can we ever expect to get better results? I support the Aztecs proudly, but the PWB need to earn my donation. If you still believe in the 'Drive to 25', everyone in the program needs to be held accountable for failure and this years schedule (like last years) is a capial F, FAIL! I know the PTB read this board. I think you give this board's influence on athletics too much credit. This year's schedule is a complete fail. However, though the Drive to 25 is an ambitious task, I still think it's possible. We need every butt in those seats. Not showing up because I'm pissed off at the schedule doesn't help the school, the athletes, and it certainly doesn't help me. I'll be there.
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Post by AztecWilliam on Apr 13, 2015 23:06:05 GMT -8
It's not his preference, but at least he gets WHY it happened, unlike many on this board. oh we get why it happened. and the administration will "get" why we have an even lower turn out than last year at the Q. program is dying. aspire to be more or sink into mediocrity. Its not that i disagree with your passionate defense of all things Red and Black..its just you folks are either intentionally ignoring the real issue of SDSU not being in the p5, or you are just in denial about our prospects. football at SDSU at the D1 level is doomed if we do not push the envelope. SDSU playing USD is full recognization and acceptance of mediocrity. as I said..its so San Diego. absolutely pathetic and backward. If you "get" why this game was necessary, then why are you so negative? It's a one-time situation. There is no acceptance of mediocrity involved in scheduling this game. It's the less bad of two bad alternatives. The worse alternative would have been to go with 11 games, just 5 of them at home. As for SDSU's FB prospects, the blame can, I feel, be blamed largely on BSU for backing out of the Big East deal. The current AAC is not a P5 conference, but it is arguably better than the MWC. Had we joined the AAC, we would at least have gotten more East Coast exposure and possibly a few E.C. recruits. There can't be too many Aztec fans who do not understand that we are in a tough spot. I have said many times that we have a very, very small chance of being invited to join the Big-12 and none whatsoever of joining the Pac-12. Our only remaining alternative (other than cancelling football) is to become one of the two or three best non-P5 programs. Right now there are several schools ahead of us in that pecking order. We have to get better and pretty quickly. And unless he can turn things around this season, Rocky will not be the one to get that job done. If anyone is to get it done, that is. AzWm
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Post by myownwords on Apr 14, 2015 5:43:18 GMT -8
I still find it unacceptable that Sterk, one, couldn't convert the first "verbal" into a written agreement more expeditiously. Then TWO, discovering how fragile his "technique" was at that first misplay, and realizing time was not his friend, could NOT--it appears--take a more judicious and swift verbal/written contract approach the second time around. Seems the man doesn't learn from his mistakes. I'm sure he has excuses, as always. Mr. Long has been and excellent tutor for him.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2015 6:52:05 GMT -8
I still find it unacceptable that Sterk, one, couldn't convert the first "verbal" into a written agreement more expeditiously. Then TWO, discovering how fragile his "technique" was at that first misplay, and realizing time was not his friend, could NOT--it appears--take a more judicious and swift verbal/written contract approach the second time around. Seems the man doesn't learn from his mistakes. I'm sure he has excuses, as always. Mr. Long has been and excellent tutor for him. Riveting stuff. I have to admire your consistency. =)
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Post by AccessBowlTime on Apr 14, 2015 7:02:12 GMT -8
Not blaming you, 1, since the decision I"m sure isn't yours but I don't understand why, if it's true that two schools failed to meet their verbal commitment to play us on September 5, their identify can't be publicly divulged. That's an interesting question and my surmise is college athletics is a fairly small fraternity. This year's screwed yous are next year's future employers. Many of the characters are changing jobs and don't want to call anyone out. Contrast it to American politics. Well, assuming one of the two was Northern Arizona and further assumed that, if Sterk so announced, Northern Arizona would get all butthurt and refuse to schedule us in the future, that wouldn't exactly be a great loss to SDSU. Some of us understand the pecking order of college sports. Such as that none of the big boys of college football are ever going to even talk to us about the possibility of coming to the Q unless we offer a two-for-one. Well, NAU needs to understand that they are to SDSU what SDSU is to the Alabamas of the world.
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Post by AccessBowlTime on Apr 14, 2015 7:07:42 GMT -8
It's not his preference, but at least he gets WHY it happened, unlike many on this board. oh we get why it happened. and the administration will "get" why we have an even lower turn out than last year at the Q. program is dying. aspire to be more or sink into mediocrity. Its not that i disagree with your passionate defense of all things Red and Black..its just you folks are either intentionally ignoring the real issue of SDSU not being in the p5, or you are just in denial about our prospects. football at SDSU at the D1 level is doomed if we do not push the envelope. SDSU playing USD is full recognization and acceptance of mediocrity. as I said..its so San Diego. absolutely pathetic and backward. You're correct that I don't at all think football at SDSU is doomed. However, playing USD is a major step in that direction. The Susie Sunshines out there can spin it however they want and make excuses until the cows come home but the fact Sterk wasn't able - or more likely, wasn't WILLING - to do what was necessary to get a REAL FCS opponent to buy out its previously scheduled game and play us instead is one more indication the administration isn't going to do what is necessary to get us the hell out of the Molehill West.
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Post by HighNTight on Apr 14, 2015 7:18:27 GMT -8
it's sad that some folks here have such short memories ...
No Risk, No Reward -- we risked our future football schedules and putting our other sports in the BW when we tried to join the Big East in football ... we weren't able to reap the rewards because we ended up back in the MWC. The good news is that most of our other sports were unaffected (sorry Women's Water Polo) -- and other than financial compensation to the BW for backing out of the move, the only other repercussions were the short time to fill these two holes in the 2015 schedule.
The fact that we have limited the damage to $1.5M and one non-scholarship FCS game in 2015 is actually a pretty good outcome. Some of you lament the lack of ambition of this Athletic Dept or Administration, yet when confronted with the aftermath of ambition -- you still find a way to complain.
For those of you concerned that this is one game vs. USD is an indicator of the continued decline of the football program ... next year the OoC schedule is vs. Cal, @ NIU, @ USA & home against NMSU -- no FCS game, no 13th game as we host Hawaii that season. 2017 already has the season opening FCS game locked in against UC-Davis, and games @ Arizona St and home against NIU already scheduled -- two open dates early in the season remain and they can both be filled using the 13th game rule because of the away game at Hawaii that year.
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Post by Old School on Apr 14, 2015 8:24:39 GMT -8
I'd start Chapman at QB against USD. Bring in the reserves and youngsters at half time. This is going to feel like a pre-season game.
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Post by longtimesdsufan on Apr 14, 2015 8:29:30 GMT -8
Let's look at the big picture folks.
We are in a league with a small payout. The football payout is small and favors Boise. Basketball is mostly because of us. We do not bring enough TV ratings to find a better league.
In order to sign players and stay competitive, we are giving our student athletes the same cash funding that a P5 team is giving. So where does the money come from? We just saw the big increase for basketball tickets. I am sure that the increases are not done, but are just a part of a step process. Football does not have the support for an increase at this time. And we may be looking to build a stadium in the future. What this means is that the budget is already strained.
For basketball, it costs about $90K to bring in a team for a home game. For football is costs at $350K (best guess). To keep costs down, a home and home series costs the least. As we get better in both sports, it becomes harder to schedule these games.
So, we did not want to schedule USD for alternating home games in basketball. But to schedule someone to replace that game is $90K.
We were not able to schedule a home/home football game, but needed another home game this year. It is about the Alabama (something) team dropping football (not out AD's fault). All of a sudden we have an unexpected $350K cost to get another game.
So do we spend $90K for a basketball game and $350 for a football game when we are already have a budget problem? Coach Long wanted a game, and I trust that it is important.
Thank you Mr Fowler for getting us out of this bind by giving us a basketball game that is better than going to the Jenny Craig building, with the crazy parking and lame atmosphire, while using your team's park. It will give Aztec fans that can not get a ticket a chance to come to the game. It might be realy fun. It will not be really good basketball. Outdoor games are not good to shooters and we are the bigger team.
I don't think that any Aztec (including our AD) wanted to play USD in basketball or football. However, none of us will come up with the $440K to cover the cost. This is an arranged marriage that is better than being single.
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Post by AccessBowlTime on Apr 14, 2015 8:41:58 GMT -8
How much is it going to cost USD to "travel" to Qualcomm Stadium? Fifty bucks to gas up a couple buses? So the 350 grand is a windfall for them. Pretty much like SDSU's early Christmas present to its little bro. Of course, they could sure use the money. How philanthropic of us.
As to starting Chapman, Smith or JR could use some reps so I suspect whichever is named our starter will play 2-3 series and then the other guy will play 2-3 series and then Chapman will finish up by playing the entire second half. We should keep the offense vanilla but that doesn't mean we should just run the ball on every play. If USD wants the 350 large, USD needs to earn it by allowing us to run our usual offense and not just play patty cake to keep the score down.
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Post by myownwords on Apr 14, 2015 8:47:17 GMT -8
I still find it unacceptable that Sterk, one, couldn't convert the first "verbal" into a written agreement more expeditiously. Then TWO, discovering how fragile his "technique" was at that first misplay, and realizing time was not his friend, could NOT--it appears--take a more judicious and swift verbal/written contract approach the second time around. Seems the man doesn't learn from his mistakes. I'm sure he has excuses, as always. Mr. Long has been and excellent tutor for him. Riveting stuff. I have to admire your consistency. =) And I, yours, sir.
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Post by survalli on Apr 14, 2015 12:05:15 GMT -8
its the fact that its USD. could have been anyone else. yet we feel the need to put them on equal footing in football....and pay them 350k. i suppose this might be an under the table deal to keep them from "hiring" Justin Hutson
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2015 12:08:17 GMT -8
its the fact that its USD. could have been anyone else. yet we feel the need to put them on equal footing in football....and pay them 350k. i suppose this might be an under the table deal to keep them from "hiring" Justin Hutson Actually no, it couldn't have been. This is what happens when you have 2 years to schedule 4 ooc games that are normally schedule 4-6 years in advance...you have to eat a ++++ sandwich.
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Post by standiego on Apr 14, 2015 12:18:38 GMT -8
Bottom line the game is on the schedule . So do the marketeers get out there and try to promote tickets , fans get behind it , Rocky and the team do what is necessary to go out and win the game and get ready for the CAL game . Does the AD realize what screw up was made and make sure it does not happen going forward. in scheduling .
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Post by ab on Apr 14, 2015 15:25:59 GMT -8
2-3 guys on ASR have said they heard from the horse's mouth and the U-T article implied that Rocky is very pissed about scheduling USD so maybe he didn't get the memo either. It's not his preference, but at least he gets WHY it happened, unlike many on this board. You're ignorant enough to believe everything the fishwrap puts out from the admins. Ever dealt with the media?
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