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Post by Frantic on Apr 1, 2015 18:36:51 GMT -8
That's a quote from the UCONN women's coach. www.sbnation.com/2015/4/1/8326705/geno-auriemma-mens-college-basketball-jokeThe noise about problems scoring in college basketball is growing. For me, I love to see a kid hit a mid-range jumper with confidence. You just don't see that much anymore. There's no incentive to attempt a jumper from 15-20.9 feet. I believe moving the three point line will force more kids to shoot the mid-range shot. |
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Post by AztecBill on Apr 1, 2015 18:51:40 GMT -8
If you shoot 35% from 3 you would have to shoot 52.5% to get the same points.
If you shoot 50% from close and get fouled 1 out of 5 chances and shoot 70% FTs, you would have to shoot 54% to get the same points.
That is why the mid range game is going away.
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Post by sdcoug on Apr 1, 2015 22:33:41 GMT -8
Have there been any findings from the NIT experiment with the rule changes?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2015 23:13:43 GMT -8
Raise your hand if you turn on sportscenter to see mid range jumpers?
Exactly.
That's why all these kids spend hours practicing dunks.
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Post by DeeMoney on Apr 1, 2015 23:22:33 GMT -8
I believe P/Pos are actually up when compared to 10-15 years back; the issue is there are fewer possessions.
Now you could shorten the shot clock (which will most likely happen), and that would increase possessions per game, but thats just masking the issues as to why there is a general slow down- teams have no incentive to run. Individuals are no longer free to play defense anymore. If you play solid defense and stay in front of your defender all the offensive player has to do is dribble into your body and attempt a shot; bam blocking call and the offense is bailed out. Thats why you see all this ole on the ball team defenses, they have to let their man get by.
Back when you had a 45 second shot clock teams would still run, because they knew getting up court in a hurry gave them a better shot at getting points. You want to see teams move the ball and run more, make it where a fullcourt offense is advantageous.
You could make a similar argument as to this reigniting the midrange jumper. If you quit bailing out guys driving to the hoop, then theyll have to find a different way to score.
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Post by aztecfury on Apr 2, 2015 2:00:04 GMT -8
This guy is a complete tool. Its funny that this guy talks about mens basketball being boring when women's basketball is even worse. There's no parity whatsoever in Women's. Multiple teams go undefeated the entire season then all four 1 seeds pretty much automatically go straight to the final four, then UConn wins it all, so entertaining.
I don't think offense has been declining, I think that defense HAS been increasing. Teams can watch film way more easily now and counter the other team.
Let's face it most teams cannot possibly hope compete in recruiting with Duke or Kentucky. College is never going to be like the NBA, nor should it try to be.
Not every player can be great at shooting, but every single player can learn to play defense.
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Post by sdsustoner on Apr 2, 2015 5:55:34 GMT -8
Kids don't work on the mid-range game
The metrics say taking a 3 is better
Dunks are entertaining
Defense is better due to better athletes
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Post by longtimesdsufan on Apr 2, 2015 6:11:54 GMT -8
Most teams defend the paint and 3 point line. If you want to be the "go to" guy, you have to be able to hit the mid range shot like.....X I agree that the 3 point line needs to be moved back to open up the game. Hey, how about 2 points from the paint, 3 outside the paint and 4 from a longer 3? That would increase scores....  |
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Post by Frantic on Apr 2, 2015 6:43:29 GMT -8
I'm not sure if this would help scoring, but I believe teams are given too many timeouts.
When a player is trapped and about to turn the ball over, the player shouldn't be bailed out by calling a time out. Force the turnover and it should lead to fast-break points.
Currently each team gets one 60-second timeout and four 30-second timeouts per game, in addition to four media timeouts per half. That's a total of 18 timeouts for a 40-minute game!
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Post by mnico213 on Apr 2, 2015 6:50:46 GMT -8
Use a penalty box like hockey and have power plays, boom, more scoring.
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Post by AztecBill on Apr 2, 2015 7:17:56 GMT -8
I'm not sure if this would help scoring, but I believe teams are given too many timeouts. When a player is trapped and about to turn the ball over, the player shouldn't be bailed out by calling a time out. Force the turnover and it should lead to fast-break points. Currently each team gets one 60-second timeout and four 30-second timeouts per game, in addition to four media timeouts per half. That's a total of 18 timeouts for a 40-minute game! Don't allow timeouts in the back court. That's a rule I would endorse. I love watching good defense. I don't see anything wrong with how the game is played now. Whose bored? There are some teams (wyoming, AFA, UNLV) that only give a token effort on the offensive boards in exchange for insuring that fast breaks off opponent's defensive rebounds don't happen. I don't understand that. Teams can do both (Aztecs). How about only giving 20 seconds on the shot clock after an offensive rebound? I guess that would require some new equipment or programming of clocks. |
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Post by azson on Apr 2, 2015 9:10:07 GMT -8
I'm not sure if this would help scoring, but I believe teams are given too many timeouts. When a player is trapped and about to turn the ball over, the player shouldn't be bailed out by calling a time out. Force the turnover and it should lead to fast-break points. Currently each team gets one 60-second timeout and four 30-second timeouts per game, in addition to four media timeouts per half. That's a total of 18 timeouts for a 40-minute game! Agree re the TOs. Can't remember which E8 game I was watching, but the last minute of the game was interminable due to the 10 (exaggerating, but that's what it felt like) combined TOs. I actually missed the ending because I got so disgusted and flipped over to something else. |
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Post by adammclane on Apr 2, 2015 10:07:51 GMT -8
All I read in the article is that Geno is a jerk.
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Post by gigglyforshrigley on Apr 2, 2015 10:14:56 GMT -8
He's just trying to get people to stop watching men's so much and watching more women's. He probably feels this way to a degree, but I bet that's why he spoke out about it
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Post by danloc09 on Apr 2, 2015 10:49:43 GMT -8
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Post by danloc09 on Apr 2, 2015 10:50:24 GMT -8
I'm not sure if this would help scoring, but I believe teams are given too many timeouts. When a player is trapped and about to turn the ball over, the player shouldn't be bailed out by calling a time out. Force the turnover and it should lead to fast-break points. Currently each team gets one 60-second timeout and four 30-second timeouts per game, in addition to four media timeouts per half. That's a total of 18 timeouts for a 40-minute game! Don't allow timeouts in the back court. That's a rule I would endorse. I love watching good defense. I don't see anything wrong with how the game is played now. Whose bored? There are some teams (wyoming, AFA, UNLV) that only give a token effort on the offensive boards in exchange for insuring that fast breaks off opponent's defensive rebounds don't happen. I don't understand that. Teams can do both (Aztecs). How about only giving 20 seconds on the shot clock after an offensive rebound? I guess that would require some new equipment or programming of clocks. I hate when a team is about to force a 10 second violation and a time out is called. |
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Post by sdcoug on Apr 2, 2015 11:38:28 GMT -8
I'm not sure if this would help scoring, but I believe teams are given too many timeouts. When a player is trapped and about to turn the ball over, the player shouldn't be bailed out by calling a time out. Force the turnover and it should lead to fast-break points. Currently each team gets one 60-second timeout and four 30-second timeouts per game, in addition to four media timeouts per half. That's a total of 18 timeouts for a 40-minute game! a rule I would endorse. I love watching good defense. I don't see anything wrong with how the game is played now. Whose bored? There are some teams (wyoming, AFA, UNLV) that only give a token effort on the offensive boards in exchange for insuring that fast breaks off opponent's defensive rebounds don't happen. I don't understand that. Teams can do both (Aztecs). How about only giving 20 seconds on the shot clock after an offensive rebound? I guess that would require some new equipment or programming of clocks. I don't mind allowing TO's in the back court. What I can't understand is why the 10 second rule still doesn't apply? If you call a TO in the backcourt with 28 seconds left on the shot clock then inbound the ball where the TO was called & make sure you get it across by the 25 second mark or it's a violation! One of the dumbest rules is to allow 18+ seconds to get the ball across midcourt given a Time Out! |
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Post by AztecBill on Apr 2, 2015 12:17:33 GMT -8
We should petition that Aztecmesa be designated as the new rules committee.
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Post by aztecgold on Apr 2, 2015 14:09:27 GMT -8
This guy is a complete tool. Its funny that this guy talks about mens basketball being boring when women's basketball is even worse. There's no parity whatsoever in Women's. Multiple teams go undefeated the entire season then all four 1 seeds pretty much automatically go straight to the final four, then UConn wins it all, so entertaining. I don't think offense has been declining, I think that defense HAS been increasing. Teams can watch film way more easily now and counter the other team. Let's face it most teams cannot possibly hope compete in recruiting with Duke or Kentucky. College is never going to be like the NBA, nor should it try to be. Not every player can be great at shooting, but every single player can learn to play defense. Uh, no, he may be the best basketball coach in history, so he is not a tool. And I have to agree with the point that if women can play with a 30 second clock in high school and college, then why can't men? That seems like a no brainer change to the men's game and why hasn't it happened sooner? However, I do agree with you that the women's game is messed up in that their tournament games for the most part are all home games for the top seeds (due to poor attendance) so the top teams win over and over again. Those teams just keep getting all the top recruits and so there is nothing close to March Madness on the women's side. Same teams every year. BORING! |
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Post by sdcoug on Apr 2, 2015 15:00:44 GMT -8
This guy is a complete tool. Its funny that this guy talks about mens basketball being boring when women's basketball is even worse. There's no parity whatsoever in Women's. Multiple teams go undefeated the entire season then all four 1 seeds pretty much automatically go straight to the final four, then UConn wins it all, so entertaining. I don't think offense has been declining, I think that defense HAS been increasing. Teams can watch film way more easily now and counter the other team. Let's face it most teams cannot possibly hope compete in recruiting with Duke or Kentucky. College is never going to be like the NBA, nor should it try to be. Not every player can be great at shooting, but every single player can learn to play defense. Uh, no, he may be the best basketball coach in history, so he is not a tool. And I have to agree with the point that if women can play with a 30 second clock in high school and college, then why can't men? That seems like a no brainer change to the men's game and why hasn't it happened sooner? However, I do agree with you that the women's game is messed up in that their tournament games for the most part are all home games for the top seeds (due to poor attendance) so the top teams win over and over again. Those teams just keep getting all the top recruits and so there is nothing close to March Madness on the women's side. Same teams every year. BORING! True, and another reason the powers don't change is the 15 scholarship rule. Take away 2 scholarships & those players may go to another conference foe and/or mid major, and make those teams better and balancing out the power to some degree.
The 14th/15th players on UConn, UTenn, Stanford, etc. could play plenty at other schools.
In addition, few come out early to the WNBA, so strong teams have strong players for 4+ years. In the men's game, higher turnover which balances it out some, and plenty of very inexperienced rosters as a result.
Agree, Gino makes some good points but it's not like the women's game is all that compelling either.
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