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Post by moctezumaii on Mar 3, 2015 14:05:57 GMT -8
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2015 14:09:49 GMT -8
The end of college sports as we know it. The school that pays the most gets the most. They can now do it openly.
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Post by moctezumaii on Mar 3, 2015 14:12:27 GMT -8
The end of college sports as we know it. The school that pays the most gets the most. They can now do it openly. This is so depressing. The mercenary way this will be handled . . . Appalling. |
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Post by azteca on Mar 3, 2015 14:23:42 GMT -8
www.utsandiego.com/news/2015/mar/03/aztecs-football-penn-state-cost-of-attendance-5000/If I understand Stephanie Loh's chart, San Diego State's $2900 figure is third from last in the MWC and half of what Boise's said to be paying. This is a commitment to the pathetic and a kick in the guts to every Aztec fan. It's obvious Boise State's leadership has vision and is focused on moving up to the big time. The SDSU admin? Amateurs, Dude. And just where do you expect the admin to get the money to up the ante? In CA, it doesn't grow on trees! |
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Post by moctezumaii on Mar 3, 2015 14:28:01 GMT -8
www.utsandiego.com/news/2015/mar/03/aztecs-football-penn-state-cost-of-attendance-5000/If I understand Stephanie Loh's chart, San Diego State's $2900 figure is third from last in the MWC and half of what Boise's said to be paying. This is a commitment to the pathetic and a kick in the guts to every Aztec fan. It's obvious Boise State's leadership has vision and is focused on moving up to the big time. The SDSU admin? Amateurs, Dude. And just where do you expect the admin to get the money to up the ante? In CA, it doesn't grow on trees! I would expect creativity and a plan. I would expect donors. But, lacking that, I would imagine your answer spells the final doom for Aztec athletics as a major player of any sort. Because, while money doesn't grow on trees, it certainly sways minds. And I would imagine, at 18 years old, $5,000 looks a lot different than $2900. In the end, I believe the phrase 'Sh*t or get off the pot' applies here. |
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Post by Fishn'Aztec on Mar 3, 2015 14:46:00 GMT -8
I would expect creativity and a plan. I would expect donors. But, lacking that, I would imagine your answer spells the final doom for Aztec athletics as a major player of any sort. Because, while money doesn't grow on trees, it certainly sways minds. And I would imagine, at 18 years old, $5,000 looks a lot different than $2900. In the end, I believe the phrase 'Sh*t or get off the pot' applies here. We might be O.K. if we could sh%t $1,000 dollar bills! |
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Post by azteca on Mar 3, 2015 14:50:01 GMT -8
I would expect creativity and a plan. I would expect donors. But, lacking that, I would imagine your answer spells the final doom for Aztec athletics as a major player of any sort. Because, while money doesn't grow on trees, it certainly sways minds. And I would imagine, at 18 years old, $5,000 looks a lot different than $2900. In the end, I believe the phrase 'Sh*t or get off the pot' applies here. And how do you know there isn't a plan? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2015 14:50:50 GMT -8
I would expect creativity and a plan. I would expect donors. But, lacking that, I would imagine your answer spells the final doom for Aztec athletics as a major player of any sort. Because, while money doesn't grow on trees, it certainly sways minds. And I would imagine, at 18 years old, $5,000 looks a lot different than $2900. In the end, I believe the phrase 'Sh*t or get off the pot' applies here. They'll get right to it after they look in the couch cushions to find the $300mil in spare change to build an on-campus stadium. Did I mention an OCS is what's needed to save Aztec football and that Sterk has a plan? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2015 14:52:31 GMT -8
I would expect creativity and a plan. I would expect donors. But, lacking that, I would imagine your answer spells the final doom for Aztec athletics as a major player of any sort. Because, while money doesn't grow on trees, it certainly sways minds. And I would imagine, at 18 years old, $5,000 looks a lot different than $2900. In the end, I believe the phrase 'Sh*t or get off the pot' applies here. And how do you know there isn't a plan? The plan is to pay significantly less to the athletes at SDSU than they plan to pay at BSU. |
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Post by AlwaysAnAztec on Mar 3, 2015 14:52:35 GMT -8
I thought that the NCAA assigned the cost of attendance amount to each school. |
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Post by moctezumaii on Mar 3, 2015 14:54:02 GMT -8
I thought that the NCAA assigned the cost of attendance amount to each school. According to the PennLive article, the NCAA is letting individual schools come up with the number and they are specifically not mandating any form of equality. |
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Post by HighNTight on Mar 3, 2015 14:58:02 GMT -8
The powers that be will have to set some standards ... the ones in use now don't seem to have any controls. How can 2 schools in the same area like UCLA and USC have such different figures?
UCLA $5,562
USC $1,580
at least Stanford and San Jose State are closer ...
Stanford $3,215
SJSU $3,800 (*)
How is the cost of attendance so markedly different from the cost of living index for places like Boise and San Diego?
Both the military and social security have formulas for balancing benefits or pay to account for the differences in cost of living, and neither has such a disparity.
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Post by sdcoug on Mar 3, 2015 14:58:33 GMT -8
I would expect creativity and a plan. I would expect donors. But, lacking that, I would imagine your answer spells the final doom for Aztec athletics as a major player of any sort. Because, while money doesn't grow on trees, it certainly sways minds. And I would imagine, at 18 years old, $5,000 looks a lot different than $2900. In the end, I believe the phrase 'Sh*t or get off the pot' applies here. What? You do understand that the figures presented by each school are based on the SAME FORMULA, right? It's not like BSU is lining the pockets of their recruits any more than we are. It costs a lot more to GET to Boise than to SDSU; Duncan alone paid $2,000 out of pocket each time he went home to Australia. BSU can't recruit within a 2-3 hour drive of their campus; all their kids need to fly in, and typically through connections. The goal of this formula is to balance the costs of athletes so kids who attend BSU don't have to pay more out of pocket than those who attend SDSU. BSU has more out of state athletes.
SDSU isn't just offering the $2900; they've also changed their whole meal plan for athletes.
If SDSU were to raise their TCA amount to $5k, they'd have to report & explain the gap between what the financial aid office reports & what they're providing. This has NOTHING to do with the athletic department. If you don't like the $2900 number then go bitch to the Financial Aid office, since THEY determined how much we can or can't offer. NOT ATHLETICS! Specifically:
"The law specifies what items can comprise students' cost of attendance, and among them are tuition and fees; room and board; books, supplies, transportation and miscellaneous personal expenses. However, financial aid officers at each school must decide the appropriate and reasonable amounts to include for each type of cost."
SDSU is already behind the curve when it comes to support from donors, so I just laugh when people say "use donor money to fund it". If we had the necessary donors & donations we'd already be able to fund a lot more improvements across all our programs. BSU owns their own stadium, and is using the Albertsons naming fee to fund much of this. We don't have that option. We have to fund all $1MM via other methods, which includes creativity, donors AND ticket increases. SDSU has been trying to get the Aztec Club to grow larger & is having some success, but until our fans get "skin in the game" & actually donate & support athletics, we'll continue to be behind the BSU's, etc. financially.
The average amount across ALL universities is around $3400, which is near where SDSU falls. Every conference has major gaps between the higher & lowest amounts because all schools don't fall within the same MSA's.
Do NOT pin this on athletics.
Curious, are you a member of the Aztec Club ($100+ annually)? If not, maybe you should be looking in a mirror rather than blaming athletics.
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Post by sdsuballer on Mar 3, 2015 15:04:06 GMT -8
From my understanding, you don't want to be #1 on this list. All it says is Boise State has been ripping off their athletes for a long period of time. They probably weren't adding clothing,food, travel expenses to their full scholarship. Not all full scholarship are the same from school to school. I know USC takes care of their athletes were they have extra cash to buy clothes once everything is paid off.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2015 15:07:47 GMT -8
From my understanding, you don't want to be #1 on this list. All it says is Boise State has been ripping off their athletes for a long period of time. They probably weren't adding clothing and food expenses to their full scholarship. Not all full scholarship are the same from school to school. I know USC takes care of their athletes were they have extra cash to buy clothes once everything is paid off. I think sdcoug nails in when he discusses the cost of travel. That would explain USC's very low number in that they simply walk out of their back door into one of the most fertile recruiting grounds in the nation. |
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Post by moctezumaii on Mar 3, 2015 15:07:50 GMT -8
I would expect creativity and a plan. I would expect donors. But, lacking that, I would imagine your answer spells the final doom for Aztec athletics as a major player of any sort. Because, while money doesn't grow on trees, it certainly sways minds. And I would imagine, at 18 years old, $5,000 looks a lot different than $2900. In the end, I believe the phrase 'Sh*t or get off the pot' applies here. What? You do understand that the figures presented by each school are based on the SAME FORMULA, right? It's not like BSU is lining the pockets of their recruits any more than we are. It costs a lot more to GET to Boise than to SDSU; Duncan alone paid $2,000 out of pocket each time he went home to Australia. BSU can't recruit within a 2-3 hour drive of their campus; all their kids need to fly in, and typically through connections. The goal of this formula is to balance the costs of athletes so kids who attend BSU don't have to pay more out of pocket than those who attend SDSU. BSU has more out of state athletes.
SDSU isn't just offering the $2900; they've also changed their whole meal plan for athletes.
If SDSU were to raise their TCA amount to $5k, they'd have to report & explain the gap between what the financial aid office reports & what they're providing. This has NOTHING to do with the athletic department. If you don't like the $2900 number then go bitch to the Financial Aid office, since THEY determined how much we can or can't offer. NOT ATHLETICS! Specifically:
"The law specifies what items can comprise students' cost of attendance, and among them are tuition and fees; room and board; books, supplies, transportation and miscellaneous personal expenses. However, financial aid officers at each school must decide the appropriate and reasonable amounts to include for each type of cost."
SDSU is already behind the curve when it comes to support from donors, so I just laugh when people say "use donor money to fund it". If we had the necessary donors & donations we'd already be able to fund a lot more improvements across all our programs. BSU owns their own stadium, and is using the Albertsons naming fee to fund much of this. We don't have that option. We have to fund all $1MM via other methods, which includes creativity, donors AND ticket increases. SDSU has been trying to get the Aztec Club to grow larger & is having some success, but until our fans get "skin in the game" & actually donate & support athletics, we'll continue to be behind the BSU's, etc. financially.
The average amount across ALL universities is around $3400, which is near where SDSU falls. Every conference has major gaps between the higher & lowest amounts because all schools don't fall within the same MSA's.
Do NOT pin this on athletics.
Curious, are you a member of the Aztec Club ($100+ annually)? If not, maybe you should be looking in a mirror rather than blaming athletics.
LOL. I have $21.69 in my checking account and my credit cards are maxed. If the athletic department is depending on me, they're really screwed. Fortunately, I suspect not every Aztec alum was a fine arts major. |
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Post by sdcoug on Mar 3, 2015 15:09:07 GMT -8
From my understanding, you don't want to be #1 on this list. All it says is Boise State has been ripping off their athletes for a long period of time. They probably weren't adding clothing,food, travel expenses to their full scholarship. Not all full scholarship are the same from school to school. I know USC takes care of their athletes were they have extra cash to buy clothes once everything is paid off. Good point. Notice how among all 23 programs listed (P12/MW) USC's increase in TCI was by far the smallest? Don't think that's because rent's cheap in LA.
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Post by sdcoug on Mar 3, 2015 15:14:44 GMT -8
What? You do understand that the figures presented by each school are based on the SAME FORMULA, right? It's not like BSU is lining the pockets of their recruits any more than we are. It costs a lot more to GET to Boise than to SDSU; Duncan alone paid $2,000 out of pocket each time he went home to Australia. BSU can't recruit within a 2-3 hour drive of their campus; all their kids need to fly in, and typically through connections. The goal of this formula is to balance the costs of athletes so kids who attend BSU don't have to pay more out of pocket than those who attend SDSU. BSU has more out of state athletes.
SDSU isn't just offering the $2900; they've also changed their whole meal plan for athletes.
If SDSU were to raise their TCA amount to $5k, they'd have to report & explain the gap between what the financial aid office reports & what they're providing. This has NOTHING to do with the athletic department. If you don't like the $2900 number then go bitch to the Financial Aid office, since THEY determined how much we can or can't offer. NOT ATHLETICS! Specifically:
"The law specifies what items can comprise students' cost of attendance, and among them are tuition and fees; room and board; books, supplies, transportation and miscellaneous personal expenses. However, financial aid officers at each school must decide the appropriate and reasonable amounts to include for each type of cost."
SDSU is already behind the curve when it comes to support from donors, so I just laugh when people say "use donor money to fund it". If we had the necessary donors & donations we'd already be able to fund a lot more improvements across all our programs. BSU owns their own stadium, and is using the Albertsons naming fee to fund much of this. We don't have that option. We have to fund all $1MM via other methods, which includes creativity, donors AND ticket increases. SDSU has been trying to get the Aztec Club to grow larger & is having some success, but until our fans get "skin in the game" & actually donate & support athletics, we'll continue to be behind the BSU's, etc. financially.
The average amount across ALL universities is around $3400, which is near where SDSU falls. Every conference has major gaps between the higher & lowest amounts because all schools don't fall within the same MSA's.
Do NOT pin this on athletics.
Curious, are you a member of the Aztec Club ($100+ annually)? If not, maybe you should be looking in a mirror rather than blaming athletics.
LOL. I have $21.69 in my checking account and my credit cards are maxed. If the athletic department is depending on me, they're really screwed. Fortunately, I suspect not every Aztec alum was a fine arts major. If you're not supporting the program maybe you should rethink bitching about how the program isn't spending enough. I understand how those with actual skin in the game can get frustrated & respect that.
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Post by moctezumaii on Mar 3, 2015 15:15:53 GMT -8
I would expect creativity and a plan. I would expect donors. But, lacking that, I would imagine your answer spells the final doom for Aztec athletics as a major player of any sort. Because, while money doesn't grow on trees, it certainly sways minds. And I would imagine, at 18 years old, $5,000 looks a lot different than $2900. In the end, I believe the phrase 'Sh*t or get off the pot' applies here. What? You do understand that the figures presented by each school are based on the SAME FORMULA, right? It's not like BSU is lining the pockets of their recruits any more than we are. It costs a lot more to GET to Boise than to SDSU; Duncan alone paid $2,000 out of pocket each time he went home to Australia. BSU can't recruit within a 2-3 hour drive of their campus; all their kids need to fly in, and typically through connections. The goal of this formula is to balance the costs of athletes so kids who attend BSU don't have to pay more out of pocket than those who attend SDSU. BSU has more out of state athletes.
SDSU isn't just offering the $2900; they've also changed their whole meal plan for athletes.
If SDSU were to raise their TCA amount to $5k, they'd have to report & explain the gap between what the financial aid office reports & what they're providing. This has NOTHING to do with the athletic department. If you don't like the $2900 number then go bitch to the Financial Aid office, since THEY determined how much we can or can't offer. NOT ATHLETICS! Specifically:
"The law specifies what items can comprise students' cost of attendance, and among them are tuition and fees; room and board; books, supplies, transportation and miscellaneous personal expenses. However, financial aid officers at each school must decide the appropriate and reasonable amounts to include for each type of cost."
SDSU is already behind the curve when it comes to support from donors, so I just laugh when people say "use donor money to fund it". If we had the necessary donors & donations we'd already be able to fund a lot more improvements across all our programs. BSU owns their own stadium, and is using the Albertsons naming fee to fund much of this. We don't have that option. We have to fund all $1MM via other methods, which includes creativity, donors AND ticket increases. SDSU has been trying to get the Aztec Club to grow larger & is having some success, but until our fans get "skin in the game" & actually donate & support athletics, we'll continue to be behind the BSU's, etc. financially.
The average amount across ALL universities is around $3400, which is near where SDSU falls. Every conference has major gaps between the higher & lowest amounts because all schools don't fall within the same MSA's.
Do NOT pin this on athletics.
Curious, are you a member of the Aztec Club ($100+ annually)? If not, maybe you should be looking in a mirror rather than blaming athletics.
I am not disputing your statements, but I am wondering how they jibe with the body of the referenced PennLive article, which certainly makes it seem like there is no fair, equally adjudicated formula for calculating these numbers. What do you say about this piece in the article? "But starting this year, 8-figure-budgeted athletic departments and their representatives will suddenly be keenly interested in this incidental expenses amount - because it has become a stipend for their athletes and is potentially a significant recruiting tool. And they will, of course, want it to be as high as possible. Penn State coach James Franklin is on record recently as saying the expenses stipend is definitely on the table as a recruiting factor. The questions are: How much effect will the inevitable lobbying of ADs on behalf of their coaches have on university financial officers to lift the stipend figure as high as they can? And will those schools with powerful athletic coaches succeed in tilting the field in their favor by raising the stipend to significantly higher levels than their rivals?" |
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Post by sdcoug on Mar 3, 2015 15:32:38 GMT -8
What? You do understand that the figures presented by each school are based on the SAME FORMULA, right? It's not like BSU is lining the pockets of their recruits any more than we are. It costs a lot more to GET to Boise than to SDSU; Duncan alone paid $2,000 out of pocket each time he went home to Australia. BSU can't recruit within a 2-3 hour drive of their campus; all their kids need to fly in, and typically through connections. The goal of this formula is to balance the costs of athletes so kids who attend BSU don't have to pay more out of pocket than those who attend SDSU. BSU has more out of state athletes.
SDSU isn't just offering the $2900; they've also changed their whole meal plan for athletes.
If SDSU were to raise their TCA amount to $5k, they'd have to report & explain the gap between what the financial aid office reports & what they're providing. This has NOTHING to do with the athletic department. If you don't like the $2900 number then go bitch to the Financial Aid office, since THEY determined how much we can or can't offer. NOT ATHLETICS! Specifically:
"The law specifies what items can comprise students' cost of attendance, and among them are tuition and fees; room and board; books, supplies, transportation and miscellaneous personal expenses. However, financial aid officers at each school must decide the appropriate and reasonable amounts to include for each type of cost."
SDSU is already behind the curve when it comes to support from donors, so I just laugh when people say "use donor money to fund it". If we had the necessary donors & donations we'd already be able to fund a lot more improvements across all our programs. BSU owns their own stadium, and is using the Albertsons naming fee to fund much of this. We don't have that option. We have to fund all $1MM via other methods, which includes creativity, donors AND ticket increases. SDSU has been trying to get the Aztec Club to grow larger & is having some success, but until our fans get "skin in the game" & actually donate & support athletics, we'll continue to be behind the BSU's, etc. financially.
The average amount across ALL universities is around $3400, which is near where SDSU falls. Every conference has major gaps between the higher & lowest amounts because all schools don't fall within the same MSA's.
Do NOT pin this on athletics.
Curious, are you a member of the Aztec Club ($100+ annually)? If not, maybe you should be looking in a mirror rather than blaming athletics.
I am not disputing your statements, but I am wondering how they jibe with the body of the referenced PennLive article, which certainly makes it seem like there is no fair, equally adjudicated formula for calculating these numbers. What do you say about this piece in the article? "But starting this year, 8-figure-budgeted athletic departments and their representatives will suddenly be keenly interested in this incidental expenses amount - because it has become a stipend for their athletes and is potentially a significant recruiting tool. And they will, of course, want it to be as high as possible. Penn State coach James Franklin is on record recently as saying the expenses stipend is definitely on the table as a recruiting factor. The questions are: How much effect will the inevitable lobbying of ADs on behalf of their coaches have on university financial officers to lift the stipend figure as high as they can? And will those schools with powerful athletic coaches succeed in tilting the field in their favor by raising the stipend to significantly higher levels than their rivals?"
It's possible, but ultimately the school has to be able to afford it. There will definitely be a process where those at the bottom (e.g. offering less) will self regulate within their own conferences, and if enough complain about misappropriations it'll be addressed in semi-annual meetings. The CSU's, NM's & SDSU's aren't going to let BSU "buy" athletes without a fight, and they'll question BSU's financial aid department. I believe in the end it'll be more about the University's president than head coaches, since they control Financial Aid.
Ultimately, it's about the rich potentially getting richer. Schools like SDSU, who are scrambling to make ends meet due to a lousy media deal, are going to struggle to pay the extra $1MM annually, and thus pulling away from other program enhancements (e.g. new practice turf, indoor practice facilities, etc.). Whereas for many of the rich, some of whom have all athletic scholarships already fully endowed (like USC), it's pocket change & it won't slow them down. To me it sends a signal that the gap between the P5 ($$) & the rest will continue to widen. I do not, however, believe BSU offering more is a statement about SDSU being "pathetic" or BSU having any type of "vision", nor will it be "final doom" for the program.
I don't think it's as much about the coach having pull as it is about the overall solvency of the athletic department. The answer's the same - more members of the Aztec Club, and increased attendance at football games (& other paid sports). Ultimately, more people with skin in the game.
Here's another decent read on the subject from January:
www.usatoday.com/story/sports/college/2015/01/14/ncaa-convention-recruiting-cost-of-attendance/21766761/
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