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Post by mySTRAS on Jan 27, 2015 22:01:42 GMT -8
Derrick Rose tonight (so far) vs. the Warriors... 12/32 from the field, 1 assist and 11 turnovers. Sometimes you just say WTF!
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Post by AztecJon on Jan 28, 2015 7:08:13 GMT -8
A lot of games Winston collects turnovers and poor decisions like a rabid stamp collector. It would be great to see both of these hover near zero all the time. Just get at least 50% of the way from where he is to where X was last year in these 2 categories. That would be awesome.
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Post by aztecdan8 on Jan 28, 2015 8:33:19 GMT -8
I almost started another thread on this, titled "Winston's Shooting Form", but I figure I'd get lambasted by some for excessive threads criticizing him. I posted the following under Ernie's Photos from the FSU game, but it seems not many look at that thread One of the photos has a great shot if Winston shooting a jumper- here's what I noticed.
Interesting photo capturing Shep shooting a jumper.
Ball is way back in his palm, his left/guide hand is completely off the ball. His guide hand should still be on the ball at that point, which leads to a more consistent, repeatable and accurate release.
Also, he is essentially shooting one handed jumpers, with the other hand in the vicinity but not still on the ball or at least in contact with his shooting hand.
I would love to see additional frame advance photos to see if the ball comes off his fingertips or stays in the palm as he releases. Fingertips good, Palm not good.
Either of these can lead to not bring accurate, if both, well ... You shoot about how Winston does, not very accurately.
The Coaches have to analyze and work on this stuff, right?
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Post by johneaztec on Jan 28, 2015 8:39:43 GMT -8
Winston Shepard is shooting 4-5. Rest of SDSU team is 1-10, including 0-9 in the paint. That's not a consistent stat, to say the least.
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Post by merkarrand on Jan 28, 2015 8:41:08 GMT -8
Winston simply responds to the critcism on this site. Is coachable and can take the heat. When he gets better coaching he will utilize his natural gifts.
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Post by johneaztec on Jan 28, 2015 9:05:13 GMT -8
I almost started another thread on this, titled "Winston's Shooting Form", but I figure I'd get lambasted by some for excessive threads criticizing him. I posted the following under Ernie's Photos from the FSU game, but it seems not many look at that thread One of the photos has a great shot if Winston shooting a jumper- here's what I noticed. Interesting photo capturing Shep shooting a jumper. Ball is way back in his palm, his left/guide hand is completely off the ball. His guide hand should still be on the ball at that point, which leads to a more consistent, repeatable and accurate release. Also, he is essentially shooting one handed jumpers, with the other hand in the vicinity but not still on the ball or at least in contact with his shooting hand. I would love to see additional frame advance photos to see if the ball comes off his fingertips or stays in the palm as he releases. Fingertips good, Palm not good. Either of these can lead to not bring accurate, if both, well ... You shoot about how Winston does, not very accurately. The Coaches have to analyze and work on this stuff, right? The coach can analyze and work with him 24/7, but the player has to implement it.
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Post by zollner on Jan 28, 2015 9:13:17 GMT -8
WS111 jump shot reminds me of unfolding an origami figure, it has a lot of parts, and all must work correctly for his shot to be successful.
Did I dream this but did two of his turnovers go into the stands? The other turn over in the first half caused an Aztec run to stop, and it caused the crowd's enthusiasm and cheers to become silent. It was that lazy cross court pass to AQ that was intercepted by Fresno for an easy layup. This after we took a six point lead and had just turned them over and the Show was starting to get real loud, as only they can.
In contrast I thought he played real good defense on Harris when he was guarding him, Harris didn't get many open looks or easy drives to the basket like he did the last game.
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Post by longtimebooster on Jan 28, 2015 9:17:17 GMT -8
I almost started another thread on this, titled "Winston's Shooting Form", but I figure I'd get lambasted by some for excessive threads criticizing him. I posted the following under Ernie's Photos from the FSU game, but it seems not many look at that thread One of the photos has a great shot if Winston shooting a jumper- here's what I noticed. Interesting photo capturing Shep shooting a jumper. Ball is way back in his palm, his left/guide hand is completely off the ball. His guide hand should still be on the ball at that point, which leads to a more consistent, repeatable and accurate release. Also, he is essentially shooting one handed jumpers, with the other hand in the vicinity but not still on the ball or at least in contact with his shooting hand. I would love to see additional frame advance photos to see if the ball comes off his fingertips or stays in the palm as he releases. Fingertips good, Palm not good. Either of these can lead to not bring accurate, if both, well ... You shoot about how Winston does, not very accurately. The Coaches have to analyze and work on this stuff, right? Yes. Spot on. And it's been obvious since day one. Shep's shooting form has way too many moving parts. Not fluid at all. He looks like a construction crane every time he shoots -- all herky jerky. I have no idea why this hasn't been fixed. Every single coach and scout has said since day one (as have I, FWIW) that his game would be deadly if he were able to develop a mid-range jumper and even a bit of an outside shot (at least 35% from behind the arc is all we ask; doesn't even have to be a scorching stat, mediocre would do just fine.) But for whatever reason, he just can't seem to make it click. He unveiled a really nice move about halfway through last season, where he pulls up from about 10 or 15 feet, jumps way above the crowd and releases a jumper. Throws the D off every time. It's virtually unstoppable. And the play always looks fantastic until he starts cocking his shooting arm. Then it looks terrible. Sometimes the ball goes in. Sometimes not. If he could hit that shot even 60% of the time, the guys on D would really have no idea what to do with him. Guard the lane and prepare for a drive or guard the pull-up J? Having said all that, I don't want to bag on Shep. He still remains a force on the court and we're fortunate to have him. It's just that he'd likely be MGC POY if he could develop a reliable jump shot and pure shooting form. And having said all that, Kawhi's shooting form was hideous while he was at State. But as soon as he declared for the NBA draft, he worked 24/7 with a shooting coach. He now has a reliable outside game to go with his relentless inside game, and the results are there for everyone to see. I was hoping that Shep would make the same leap with his shooting over the summer as KL did. Maybe next year.
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Post by mySTRAS on Jan 28, 2015 9:29:19 GMT -8
Winston Shepard: 2nd on team in points, 2nd on team in rebounds, 2nd on team in assists. Plays great defense!
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Post by therealoracle on Jan 28, 2015 9:39:32 GMT -8
Winston Shepard: 2nd on team in points, 2nd on team in rebounds, 2nd on team in assists. Plays great defense! But, 1st in the hearts of many! The Real Oracle Out
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Post by johneaztec on Jan 28, 2015 9:46:03 GMT -8
I almost started another thread on this, titled "Winston's Shooting Form", but I figure I'd get lambasted by some for excessive threads criticizing him. I posted the following under Ernie's Photos from the FSU game, but it seems not many look at that thread One of the photos has a great shot if Winston shooting a jumper- here's what I noticed. Interesting photo capturing Shep shooting a jumper. Ball is way back in his palm, his left/guide hand is completely off the ball. His guide hand should still be on the ball at that point, which leads to a more consistent, repeatable and accurate release. Also, he is essentially shooting one handed jumpers, with the other hand in the vicinity but not still on the ball or at least in contact with his shooting hand. I would love to see additional frame advance photos to see if the ball comes off his fingertips or stays in the palm as he releases. Fingertips good, Palm not good. Either of these can lead to not bring accurate, if both, well ... You shoot about how Winston does, not very accurately. The Coaches have to analyze and work on this stuff, right? Yes. Spot on. And it's been obvious since day one. Shep's shooting form has way too many moving parts. Not fluid at all. He looks like a construction crane every time he shoots -- all herky jerky. I have no idea why this hasn't been fixed. Every single coach and scout has said since day one (as have I, FWIW) that his game would be deadly if he were able to develop a mid-range jumper and even a bit of an outside shot (at least 35% from behind the arc is all we ask; doesn't even have to be a scorching stat, mediocre would do just fine.) But for whatever reason, he just can't seem to make it click. He unveiled a really nice move about halfway through last season, where he pulls up from about 10 or 15 feet, jumps way above the crowd and releases a jumper. Throws the D off every time. It's virtually unstoppable. And the play always looks fantastic until he starts cocking his shooting arm. Then it looks terrible. Sometimes the ball goes in. Sometimes not. If he could hit that shot even 60% of the time, the guys on D would really have no idea what to do with him. Guard the lane and prepare for a drive or guard the pull-up J? Having said all that, I don't want to bag on Shep. He still remains a force on the court and we're fortunate to have him. It's just that he'd likely be MGC POY if he could develop a reliable jump shot and pure shooting form. And having said all that, Kawhi's shooting form was hideous while he was at State. But as soon as he declared for the NBA draft, he worked 24/7 with a shooting coach. He now has a reliable outside game to go with his relentless inside game, and the results are there for everyone to see. I was hoping that Shep would make the same leap with his shooting over the summer as KL did. Maybe next year. He'll never be an NBA talent if he doesn't fix his turnover ratio and decision making process. Euro, yes. And before I get bagged on by some, I've also said we are fortunate to have him based on all of his other skills he brings to the plate.
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Post by longtimebooster on Jan 28, 2015 9:48:16 GMT -8
Yes, of course, his turnover ratio is a major issue, along with shooting form.
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Post by brianb82 on Jan 28, 2015 10:07:14 GMT -8
Totally understand all the takes on Winston on here.....my only wish for him is to take the ball to the hole strong and forget the pump fakes....he is one of the strongest guys on the court.....no need for the pump fakes. That being said......Go Winston!
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Post by csfoster on Jan 28, 2015 10:39:05 GMT -8
He needs to play like he is 6'8".
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Post by dtay2004 on Jan 28, 2015 11:03:19 GMT -8
Winston Shepard is better at playing the role of Robin instead of batman. Unfortunately there isn't a consistent "BatMan" on this team so Winston is forced to play out of his role. If WS was a 3 star recruit, people would love him as a player around here. He's easily our most complete player But since he's a 5 star recruit, something SDSU isn't use to landing, he was expected to become this great overall NBA level player.
He got that 5 star rating because of his defense with the potential of his offense improving. His defense has lived up to the bill and he's the 2nd leading scorer on the team so to say he's been a disappoint or that he hasn't lived up to his potential would only mean your expectations of his were really really high offensively coming in(Same can be said about Skylar Spencer)
Now what I don't like about his game on the offensive side is he's a finesse,Smooth "Pretty" type of player. When it works it looks very nice but when it doesn't he looks soft. He plays for the contact when he's going to the rim instead of playing to make the shot. Why he does that??? I have no idea. The turnovers are him just trying to make a play so I'll live with that as long as he continues to be aggressive
Just my 2 cents
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Post by standiego on Jan 28, 2015 11:09:46 GMT -8
He is our best all around talent . Key to the team in many categories . He was very serious about the game last night . at best when he does not try to do too much . As noted he usually has to guard the other team's best wing player . Believe he lead the team in rebounds . Remember he was not a lead option on offense for his Findlay Prep HS team, just plays a good all around game. IMO team does not go very far in MM without him playing at a solid level . The NBA noise is not our concern now it is WS doing his part helping the team advance into MM . Also of note the more time he shares with the MP , the DA .... the less time he plays , so even him cheering on those guys is important for the team . JJ , was not on in his shooting last night 3 for 14 , does need to get some rest and WS is needed at a variety of positions just contributing in a lot of different ways .
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Post by uncledougy on Jan 28, 2015 12:23:34 GMT -8
The reference to stats is misleading. Players with a lot of minutes will be leading the team in various categories. The true sign is what happens to the game when a player is on the court. Shep has a ton of talent and just "takes a play or two" off every now and then by lazy passes and falling asleep at the wheel. I see those as easy fixes. He has his moments of domination, would like to see him play as is if he is trying to keep his spot. I think a little fire would work wonders.
I am not talking about emotional fire, we all know he has that. He can be very intense when the clock is not moving. It's being intense with the ball that I want to see more of. Nonchalantness is nobody's friend!
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Post by Trujillos & Beer on Jan 28, 2015 12:39:13 GMT -8
Winston Shepard: 2nd on team in points, 2nd on team in rebounds, 2nd on team in assists. Plays great defense! I like the guy but that's a little deceptive considering how much playing time he gets. Malik and WS3 have near identical fg% but Pope has been significantly better from 3. If you take Pope's numbers at Winston's minutes he'd have more rebounds, steals, blocks, and points per game. The same could be said for Allen with the exception of rebounds. So yeah, Winston is good and he's a key player on the team... but he's already replaceable with guys who are younger.
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Post by mySTRAS on Jan 28, 2015 13:04:00 GMT -8
Winston Shepard: 2nd on team in points, 2nd on team in rebounds, 2nd on team in assists. Plays great defense! I like the guy but that's a little deceptive considering how much playing time he gets. Malik and WS3 have near identical fg% but Pope has been significantly better from 3. If you take Pope's numbers at Winston's minutes he'd have more rebounds, steals, blocks, and points per game. The same could be said for Allen with the exception of rebounds. So yeah, Winston is good and he's a key player on the team... but he's already replaceable with guys who are younger. We could open a whole new can of worms... but the same can easily be said for replacing AQ,JJO and Sky.
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Post by danloc09 on Jan 28, 2015 13:04:59 GMT -8
Winston Shepard: 2nd on team in points, 2nd on team in rebounds, 2nd on team in assists. Plays great defense! I like the guy but that's a little deceptive considering how much playing time he gets. Malik and WS3 have near identical fg% but Pope has been significantly better from 3. If you take Pope's numbers at Winston's minutes he'd have more rebounds, steals, blocks, and points per game. The same could be said for Allen with the exception of rebounds. So yeah, Winston is good and he's a key player on the team... but he's already replaceable with guys who are younger. You can't just do that though, there are extenuating circumstances. Pope looks super promising, but he has had so few minutes that his one great game is really skewing his numbers.
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