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Post by sdmotohead on Dec 21, 2014 11:15:59 GMT -8
I know, there will always be the fans that say "rankings this early in the year don't mean sh*t". To that I say "Bullsh*t"! It is ALWAYS good to be ranked as it keeps you in the news more than if you were not ranked.
It pains me to say I think we'll fall out of the top 25. Probably drop to somewhere in the high 20's. The sad thing is that there is no one on our schedule that we play anytime soon that can boost us back up. Opinions?
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Post by Luchador El Guerrero Azteca on Dec 21, 2014 11:37:27 GMT -8
We'll be ranked.
There are three threads stating we'll be unranked. I take that as a good sign since the credibility of the chicken littles is highly suspect.
We'll be ranked.
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Post by sd5tate on Dec 21, 2014 11:40:29 GMT -8
Out of the ranking comes Monday where we belong and like you mention, we wont have the schedule to gain voters with the weak MWC as it is. I really think this conference is bad enough that it is possible they may get only one team in the NCAA tourney (winner of MWC tourney) if the MWC champion have 4-6 losses in conference play.
Going back to being unranked comes Monday, I think it is a good for the team and good wake up call. Now they have no pressure to play with a chip on their shoulders and wont be on many national spotlight.
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Post by aztecsiggy on Dec 21, 2014 11:47:21 GMT -8
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Post by keepersdsu on Dec 21, 2014 11:48:21 GMT -8
Out of the ranking comes Monday where we belong and like you mention, we wont have the schedule to gain voters with the weak MWC as it is. I really think this conference is bad enough that it is possible they may get only one team in the NCAA tourney (winner of MWC tourney) if the MWC champion have 4-6 losses in conference play. Going back to being unranked comes Monday, I think it is a good for the team and good wake up call. Now they have no pressure to play with a chip on their shoulders and wont be on many national spotlight. Top 25 polls aren't about who you play against, it's all about whether you win or not. Look at CSU for example: they are 11-0 and the only quality win that they have is against Colorado, and even that is suspect. Yet, they will probably be ranked come Monday. Aztecs could be 12-3 heading into the game against Wyoming on Jan 14. There is no question that they will be ranked then with that record. Again, it doesn't matter who you beat as long as you win. Now when it comes to the NCAA tournament, I agree with you that the MWC might only get 1 team in. There all that matters is who you've beaten. |
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Post by fatfreddy on Dec 21, 2014 12:03:14 GMT -8
#25 Michigan State lost @ home (I believe it was) to a nobody!
I saw we are out of the top 25 in one poll & still in the top 25 in the other - book it! Ha!
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Post by AzTex on Dec 21, 2014 12:52:24 GMT -8
#25 Michigan State lost @ home (I believe it was) to a nobody! I saw we are out of the top 25 in one poll & still in the top 25 in the other - book it! Ha! Nice move there Freddy. Worst case you'll be half right, otherwise you'll be 100% correct. No chance to be dead wrong. |
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Post by Den60 on Dec 21, 2014 12:54:23 GMT -8
We have one bad loss (Cincy), two "good" losses and one good win (Utah). Looking at what happened in the rankings, WA should move up with a win at home against OK. Butler and Mich St both had bad losses at home. North Carolina had a good win against OSU. We have a couple of decent wins against Pitt and YBU on a neutral floor. The win against BYU could look a lot better if they beat the Zags at home next Friday.
We could stay in the top 25 and we could fall just out of it. I really don't see CSU moving ahead of us because they have no quality wins but you ever know.
As for if we can get back into the top 25 after conference begins I can say that of course we can. Teams in the top 25 can suffer some bad losses in conference play. I fail to see how Wichita St is ranked so high. They have played only one ranked team (Utah) and lost. They haven't beaten anyone else of note. If somehow CSU gets ranked then we beat them to get a quality win or two in conference.
The Cincy loss is a tough one. It will be hard to get a high seeding in March even if we blow through conference and win the conference tournament. We probably peak at a #4 or #5 seed if we do this and other teams ahead of us stumble in their conferences.
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Post by Draztec on Dec 21, 2014 13:07:21 GMT -8
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Post by Den60 on Dec 21, 2014 13:11:46 GMT -8
So, are you suggesting we send Jack Bauer to "question" the AP writers about their votes? |
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Post by Gundo on Dec 21, 2014 13:16:46 GMT -8
Baylor, TCU, No Iowa, CSU among others move up, we move out.
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Post by fatfreddy on Dec 21, 2014 14:23:47 GMT -8
#25 Michigan State lost @ home (I believe it was) to a nobody! I saw we are out of the top 25 in one poll & still in the top 25 in the other - book it! Ha! Nice move there Freddy. Worst case you'll be half right, otherwise you'll be 100% correct. No chance to be dead wrong. In my best Jim Carrey voice........Totally unintentional! |
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Post by sdsudevil on Dec 21, 2014 14:47:43 GMT -8
I think Colorado State, VCU and maybe Indiana jumps us from the unranked. If we stay in, 25.
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Post by aztech on Dec 21, 2014 15:19:03 GMT -8
Out of the ranking comes Monday where we belong and like you mention, we wont have the schedule to gain voters with the weak MWC as it is. I really think this conference is bad enough that it is possible they may get only one team in the NCAA tourney (winner of MWC tourney) if the MWC champion have 4-6 losses in conference play. Going back to being unranked comes Monday, I think it is a good for the team and good wake up call. Now they have no pressure to play with a chip on their shoulders and wont be on many national spotlight. Top 25 polls aren't about who you play against, it's all about whether you win or not. Look at CSU for example: they are 11-0 and the only quality win that they have is against Colorado, and even that is suspect. Yet, they will probably be ranked come Monday. Aztecs could be 12-3 heading into the game against Wyoming on Jan 14. There is no question that they will be ranked then with that record. Again, it doesn't matter who you beat as long as you win. Now when it comes to the NCAA tournament, I agree with you that the MWC might only get 1 team in. There all that matters is who you've beaten. You're right about CSU, their record is a distortion. Their scheduling is what it is. However in their defense, no one of note will play any of those goats in their house since they don't have to. Hell we know all about elevation, would we? |
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Post by keepersdsu on Dec 21, 2014 15:20:24 GMT -8
We have one bad loss (Cincy), two "good" losses and one good win (Utah). Looking at what happened in the rankings, WA should move up with a win at home against OK. Butler and Mich St both had bad losses at home. North Carolina had a good win against OSU. We have a couple of decent wins against Pitt and YBU on a neutral floor. The win against BYU could look a lot better if they beat the Zags at home next Friday. We could stay in the top 25 and we could fall just out of it. I really don't see CSU moving ahead of us because they have no quality wins but you ever know. As for if we can get back into the top 25 after conference begins I can say that of course we can. Teams in the top 25 can suffer some bad losses in conference play. I fail to see how Wichita St is ranked so high. They have played only one ranked team (Utah) and lost. They haven't beaten anyone else of note. If somehow CSU gets ranked then we beat them to get a quality win or two in conference. The Cincy loss is a tough one. It will be hard to get a high seeding in March even if we blow through conference and win the conference tournament. We probably peak at a #4 or #5 seed if we do this and other teams ahead of us stumble in their conferences. Trust me, the loss at Cincy is not going to be the difference in whether we are a 4 seed or a 6 seed. An OT loss, on the road, doesn't carry that much weight unless you played a terrible team. Cincy is not a great team, but at home they are a good team. When it comes to seeding, right now out west I would say that Arizona and Washington are both ahead of us. I could see Zona being the 1 seed in the west and Washington being the 3 seed. Throw in an east coast team as the 2 seed, and SDSU and Utah are playing for the 4/5 seed. That's not including any east coast teams that might have a better resume than us so far. So in reality, the loss to Arizona and the loss to Washington may turn out to carry more weight than the bad loss at Cincy that you talk about. If the Aztecs run the table in the MWC (drop 2-3 games) and win the conf tournament, they are going to be something like 27-6. I can see Arizona having a better record than that, but Washington and Utah??? Aztecs still have a good shot at getting 4 seed come March. I would be happy with a 5/6 seed. That gives the Aztecs a legitimate chance to win a game or two and maybe get back to the sweet 16. |
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Post by douchey1 on Dec 21, 2014 17:27:49 GMT -8
We're not
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2014 17:29:39 GMT -8
Pitt was a quality win(won 4 in a row after losing AT Indiana) , LBSU will end up being a quality win(much better than record indicates,possible 20 game winner even with very difficult schedule), BYU was a quality win(they just beat Stanford), USD will be a good win and if they beat Portland State even better(I don't expect a defeat of Gonzaga AT USD but it is possible). Yes SDSU will probably fall out of Top 25
but not by much. UC Riverside is 6-4 although no quality wins they did lead UCLA at the Half 36-28. Next game that might help ranking is a ways off in AT Wyoming.
We just have to win all the games until then and be 13-3. I think we will. New Mexico does not have a quality win or good loss. I only see a potential of 4 more losses.
And if our offense improves(?) we should win the MWC. Our defense is too good for MWC and no way a MWC team can beat Aztecs at Viejas.
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Post by NCAztec82 on Dec 21, 2014 18:59:21 GMT -8
My rose-colored glasses are a bit foggy, however, an 11 seed has made it to the Final Four twice (1986 LSU and 2006 George Mason), meaning those teams were UNRANKED. Anything below about a 5-7 seed means you were also probably a non-ranked team. I'll stand by my contention that rankings are essentially meaningless with respect to the real prize in March, but they are great fodder for college hoops geeks, and an unreliable indicator of how good you really are.
Oh, I almost forgot: 22
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Post by Lloyd on Dec 21, 2014 19:22:58 GMT -8
I don't think we will be in the Top 25 tomorrow, but it will be close.
We will be back in soon, and this team is just going to get better as the season progresses.
BTW, Joe Lunardi has us at #20 in his ESPN bracketology as of tonight, (a #5 seed).
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Post by adammclane on Dec 21, 2014 19:38:39 GMT -8
I was thinking we're out. But dang... with Lunardi having us at #20 we have a shot.
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