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Post by fatfreddy on Dec 18, 2014 14:14:23 GMT -8
You, sir, are a jackass. This board is set up to post opinions. Some are opinions on what changes the coach may make to improve this team. You act as it everything is in order and that a bunch of reactionary chicken littles are worried that the sky is falling, this team has major problems. Things will have to change. Fans post theories on what those changes, will, should, or could be. How do you know that the coaching staff isn't having these same discussions? You people are as upset as anyone on this board. Instead of voicing dissatisfaction with the teams poor performance you'd prefer to view yourself as a "true fan" and misplace your anger towards fellow fans who have zero influence on how the game is played. Dislike button +1000
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Post by gigglyforshrigley on Dec 18, 2014 14:35:14 GMT -8
The whole point of forums is to discuss and argue about the team/program. What do you want us to say? It's what makes this website entertaining. We can't all be cheerleaders, then it'd be boring Let me translate what the OP meant. 1. It's ok to not be pleased with the team's performance, even the players are realizing that they need to do better. 2. Realizing the truth of number 1. above, there is no reason to be a douche fan about it nor be a sh*thead to our coaches or players because you are upset. 3. Fisher didn't unlearn how to coach between seasons. I hope this helps our new bandwagon fans. Amen? You calling people on this site a bandwagon fan is getting really tiresome, nobody who cares enough about the program to consistently go on these forums is a bandwagon fan. Get over it. Disagreeing with personnel groupings doesn't mean someone is a bandwagon fan
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Post by aztecmusician on Dec 18, 2014 14:35:27 GMT -8
I am just a fan and do not have the keen basketball insight that many on this board claim. The entire team is in a shooting slump, better now than during the stretch of the MW season. The law of averages will eventually swing the Aztecs way and Shrigley and Polee 3 pt shots will fall. If they are still sucking in Feb, then we can panic and spread blame, for whatever tha it worth.
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Post by Luchador El Guerrero Azteca on Dec 18, 2014 14:45:02 GMT -8
Let me translate what the OP meant. 1. It's ok to not be pleased with the team's performance, even the players are realizing that they need to do better. 2. Realizing the truth of number 1. above, there is no reason to be a douche fan about it nor be a sh*thead to our coaches or players because you are upset. 3. Fisher didn't unlearn how to coach between seasons. I hope this helps our new bandwagon fans. Amen? You calling people on this site a bandwagon fan is getting really tiresome, nobody who cares enough about the program to consistently go on these forums is a bandwagon fan. Get over it. Disagreeing with personnel groupings doesn't mean someone is a bandwagon fan Lol. A little sensitive there. You didn't read (or comprehend) the post, did you? You do realize that there is a difference between a fan who is frustrated over an underperforming team and these new guys who have overreacted to a point they are being do*chebags about our players and coaches.
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Post by sdsudevil on Dec 18, 2014 14:51:15 GMT -8
Tired of people being rude to people, so you start a thread being rude to people? Kind of counter-intuitive. I will say that some people have different reasons for being supportive of Aztec (or any team) athletics. Instead of being argumentative of those who aren't in your same boat of reasons, just don't be around them, or learn to live with it. I'm just here for the party and to lose my voice, deal with it or stay away
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2014 14:53:53 GMT -8
Actually, many of us ARE coaches. Let me cite an example. I personally have coached several NBA teams to championships, and a couple of college teams to the Final Four. All under different names, of course. Come on, the whole idea of fan boards is to allow armchair coaches to express themselves. AzWm IMpressive I know that you and Erik were great football minds but thsi too.WOW
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Post by zollner on Dec 18, 2014 15:03:22 GMT -8
What is disappointing to me is to see the same players make the same mistakes game after game. I'm sure it is disappointing and frustrating to the coaches as well.
There are several posters on this board who have a good knowledge of the game and have every right to point out these mistakes on this board. Pointing out mistakes, especially ones that are repeated every game should not be taboo. Blistering comments about the players should be kept out.
This team is struggling to find an identity and leadership. Team chemistry is also elusive, if not found soon the season could be a lot less then what was anticipated.
Let us all hope for the best.
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Post by Luchador El Guerrero Azteca on Dec 18, 2014 15:09:19 GMT -8
What is disappointing to me is to see the same players make the same mistakes game after game. I'm sure it is disappointing and frustrating to the coaches as well. There are several posters on this board who have a good knowledge of the game and have every right to point out these mistakes on this board. Pointing out mistakes, especially ones that are repeated every game should not be taboo. Blistering comments about the players should be kept out. This team is struggling to find an identity and leadership. Team chemistry is also elusive, if not found soon the season could be a lot less then what was anticipated. Let us all hope for the best. Thank you. Your post is a "must read" for those who can't discern valid criticism from immature commentary.
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Post by rebar619 on Dec 18, 2014 15:15:42 GMT -8
I didn't realize ao many SDSU fans were basketball coaches. It's funny how there are so many idiotic posts here about who should be playing, who shouldn't be playing, who should get more/less minutes, who sucks, blah, blah, blah. Let the real coaches do their job. Winston said it best last night, "We've been living off our hype from last year." Let's allow the coaches and players figure it out. If the season doesn't end you want it to. Then complain at the end when there is a full body of work to look at. Hey now, there is no room for rational and level-headed posts on this board...lol. Definitely psot of the year
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Post by rebar619 on Dec 18, 2014 15:16:38 GMT -8
The whole point of forums is to discuss and argue about the team/program. What do you want us to say? It's what makes this website entertaining. We can't all be cheerleaders, then it'd be boring Let me translate what the OP meant. 1. It's ok to not be pleased with the team's performance, even the players are realizing that they need to do better. 2. Realizing the truth of number 1. above, there is no reason to be a douche fan about it nor be a sh*thead to our coaches or players because you are upset. 3. Fisher didn't unlearn how to coach between seasons. I hope this helps our new bandwagon fans. Amen? Amen!
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Post by doctorsteve on Dec 18, 2014 15:18:22 GMT -8
In reality what you produce during game time is what counts on the score board , plus a W or L . Coaches can watch player M hit 7 of 10 threes in practice then go 1 for 5 , or 0 of 7 in a game. They can also observe that we are scoring well when we attack the basket. and suggest we continue to run those plays and limit the threes . Work on breaking their press during practice but then see the guys mess up when the game starts . Unfortunately what a player does during the 6 hours of practice does not always translate to what happens in a game and you need to make adjustments. But should be able to see we are athletic do things that enable them to use our skills . Our 3 point shooting has not been consistent so limit it and players that rely on it . Also give Pope more PT . We need guys that have played PG against a press , not learning on the job training. We were fine against the press. The failure of hitting wide open 3s when we broke the press, allowed the press to continue and actually be intensified. If we hit a few of those 3s, the press would not have been nearly as successful because they would be forced to back off. First off: long time lurker, first time poster. There was a near 10 second violation after every inbound. JJ and Kell aren't quick enough to handle the press, yet they were tasked with breaking it. It also seemed like they were too quick to pick up their dribble, while everyone just kind of stood around. Sure, hitting open shots would have helped; but you can't tell me you weren't pooping your pants every time State tried to bring the ball up court against that set defense. I ain't coach, but Kell, O'Brien, and Shep didn't look great against the pressure.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Dec 18, 2014 15:19:36 GMT -8
I didn't realize ao many SDSU fans were basketball coaches. It's funny how there are so many idiotic posts here about who should be playing, who shouldn't be playing, who should get more/less minutes, who sucks, blah, blah, blah. Let the real coaches do their job. Winston said it best last night, "We've been living off our hype from last year." Let's allow the coaches and players figure it out. If the season doesn't end you want it to. Then complain at the end when there is a full body of work to look at. You don't have to be a coach to understand the game. Anyone who follows the game closely can see the basics of what is happening on the court or on the field. Hell, my 14 year old daughter has picked up a ton of basketball coaching info in her first six months playing HS freshman basketball. It's not rocket science.
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Post by SDAztec on Dec 18, 2014 15:22:31 GMT -8
Problem is the precedent has been set that calling out the coaches and players without mature well thought out comments has been set. The last few months the several hundred threads calling out Rocky (started by a small few), were allowed to snowball. People that posted in opposition were called for penalties and posts deleted. Rather than keep the board at a higher level, people were allowed to pile on with negative comments,and posters who do have some great insight into the games and team were silenced... What we are left with is an a lesser version of Aztec Mesa, and now without several excellent contributors to the board have left.
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Post by SDAztec on Dec 18, 2014 15:26:38 GMT -8
I didn't realize ao many SDSU fans were basketball coaches. It's funny how there are so many idiotic posts here about who should be playing, who shouldn't be playing, who should get more/less minutes, who sucks, blah, blah, blah. Let the real coaches do their job. Winston said it best last night, "We've been living off our hype from last year." Let's allow the coaches and players figure it out. If the season doesn't end you want it to. Then complain at the end when there is a full body of work to look at. You don't have to be a coach to understand the game. Anyone who follows the game closely can see the basics of what is happening on the court or on the field. Hell, my 14 year old daughter has picked up a ton of basketball coaching info in her first six months playing HS freshman basketball. It's not rocket science. Ha... I'm sure Fish know quite a bit more than your 14 year old daughter, and I'm sure she know quite a bit more than you or even I. It may not be rocket science, and I might pick up quite a bit doing my own taxes, but I sure as hell won't try to be someone's CPA... Coaching at the level that Fisher has, it is far more complex than just sitting on your rear end watching a game or 2 on TV.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Dec 18, 2014 15:37:23 GMT -8
Having said that you don't have to be a coach to evaluate what you're seeing I would also say this - Steve Fisher can see it, too, and he can see and understand a lot more.
I trust Coach Fisher to handle the team as well as anyone can and better than most.
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Post by doctorsteve on Dec 18, 2014 15:43:39 GMT -8
Problem is the precedent has been set that calling out the coaches and players without mature well thought out comments has been set. The last few months the several hundred threads calling out Rocky (started by a small few), were allowed to snowball. People that posted in opposition were called for penalties and posts deleted. Rather than keep the board at a higher level, people were aloud to pile on with negative comments,and posters who do have some great insight into the games and team were silenced... What we are left with is an a lesser version of Aztec Mesa, and now without several excellent contributors to the board have left. I think people have unrealistic expectations for both the football and basketball programs and they react poorly when reality smacks them in the face. Football - Rocky is about the best coach a G5 conference team can get without having to fear the coach bolting for greener pastures. It was a friggin' miracle that Petersen stayed at Boise for as long as he did. Sadly, something has to give. I find it hard to blame the AD, the school President, or even the Conference leadership. They're doing the best they can with the hand they were dealt. The big boys want a larger share of the pie, so teams are going to get screwed. Basketball - Expectations are so high because of the strength of the recruiting class, but the reality is that the team is loaded with very young players and what are really just roll players. SDSU lost all of its rebounding and scoring in the off season and have yet to find a way to replace it. We want a Jamaal or a Xavier to be on this team; but, as of right now, there is not one. Every single player on the team is limited on the offensive end. The better offensive players are limited athletically, the more athletic players can't shoot. The Aztecs went to the round of 32 in 2012/2013 after losing 8 MW CONFERENCE GAMES. Take a deep breath. Don't feed the trolls. Don't argue with people who hate ESPN3 (even though they are SO WRONG)
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Post by aztecttcas on Dec 18, 2014 15:51:12 GMT -8
F you original poster. I called it from the beginning that we were in trouble with Kell at pg among other things.
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Post by sleepy on Dec 18, 2014 16:00:00 GMT -8
OP, don't you realize that if this season doesn't go exactly the way we want it to, billions of Chinese, Indians, Pakistanis and Irishmen won't give a $#!+?
It's THAT serious.
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Post by The Honey Badger on Dec 18, 2014 16:06:33 GMT -8
Tired of the same old square, herd posters that think that If you're not Steve Fisher, Brian Dutcher or Justin Hutson you are not allowed to post your thoughts. Also, if your not worshiping and singing praises to our coaches your a bandwagon fan, you don't know anything about basketball and you are an idiot. Get a clue! Lots of small minded people around here, it's an internet message board, get over it. Regardless of being right or wrong, people are entitled to have an opinion, express themselves or just vent, that's whats this place is for.
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Post by sdaztecs92115 on Dec 18, 2014 16:22:37 GMT -8
Tired of the same old square, herd posters that think that If you're not Steve Fisher, Brian Dutcher or Justin Hutson you are not allowed to post your thoughts. Also, if your not worshiping and singing praises to our coaches your a bandwagon fan, you don't know anything about basketball and you are an idiot. Get a clue! Lots of small minded people around here, it's an internet message board, get over it. Regardless of being right or wrong, people are entitled to have an opinion, express themselves or just vent, that's whats this place is for. Never said you can't have an opinion, it's just ridiculous when posters take it too far. Frustration is one thing but people here don't have to be *&^/$ about it.
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