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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2014 9:53:10 GMT -8
Luke Wells works for his brother, Matt. Ergo, the only way we get Luke is to also hire Matt. Or to put it another way, the only way we get Luke Wells is if Rocky Long leaves. And Rocky deserves a chance to show what he can do with a veteran defense and a top-flight QB next year.
The current staff is fine to very good everywhere except OC, as you've pointed out, and QBs. As examples, the safeties started out horribly but have improved considerably, so props to Danny Gonzales for that, the LBs and d-line Bs are solid so props to Zach Arnett and Osia Lewis. I've already given kudos to Mike Schmidt for his work this year and there really isn't even any need to praise Adam Hall. And Jeff Horton and Tony White's areas have performed well and the two are very good recruiters. So I wouldn't want to lose any of those guys. Bottom line is the staff could use a little tweaking but that's all and considering their age, it wouldn't be a surprise if one of the two guys I mentioned doesn't simply retire.
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Post by matteosandiego on Nov 3, 2014 10:09:38 GMT -8
Luke Wells works for his brother, Matt. Ergo, the only way we get Luke is to also hire Matt. Or to put it another way, the only way we get Luke Wells is if Rocky Long leaves. And Rocky deserves a chance to show what he can do with a veteran defense and a top-flight QB next year. The current staff is fine to very good everywhere except OC, as you've pointed out, and QBs. As examples, the safeties started out horribly but have improved considerably, so props to Danny Gonzales for that, the LBs and d-line Bs are solid so props to Zach Arnett and Osia Lewis. I've already given kudos to Mike Schmidt for his work this year and there really isn't even any need to praise Adam Hall. And Jeff Horton and Tony White's areas have performed well and the two are very good recruiters. So I wouldn't want to lose any of those guys. Bottom line is the staff could use a little tweaking but that's all and considering their age, it wouldn't be a surprise if one of the two guys I mentioned doesn't simply retire. Absolutely, our staff has done a tremendous job. All of them. I feel our Secondary has come a long ways, and are playing out of their minds right now. My post as well as this thread is only talking about the offensive side of the ball. Not replacing Rocky. I hear your points about the family bond there at utah state, but there are tons of cases where brothers are on opposite ends coaching on different teams/leagues etc. And Luke is only a co-offensive coordinator. I'm sure if an offer is attractive enough situations can change. Either way, its becoming apparant this year that the offensive side of the ball is in much need of adjustments and/or change. And when you see the production over there in even a worse situation, its not hard to see there is something there that we obviously dont have.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2014 10:15:38 GMT -8
I think if Toledo retires and Horton is promoted to succeed him or if Toledo retires and is replaced by Al Borges that the debate would end right there.
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Post by McQuervo on Nov 5, 2014 8:36:21 GMT -8
I think if Toledo retires and Horton is promoted to succeed him or if Toledo retires and is replaced by Al Borges that the debate would end right there. Do you notice the same posters post the same boring dribble? What's the debate? If we don't have a QB that can pass then we need to be a running team. Discussion over. Toledo is an easy target. The real target (IMHO) should be the QB coach regarding development and staffing or lack thereof...
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Post by bearfoot on Nov 5, 2014 14:35:57 GMT -8
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2014 14:57:03 GMT -8
$1.3 million for a coordinator? Wow!
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Post by fisherville on Nov 5, 2014 15:34:33 GMT -8
We also aren't competing with the top of G-5
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Post by Village Aztec on Nov 5, 2014 16:12:29 GMT -8
Our fans have big ideas that are not practical. Rocky could not get any one we could afford so Bob saved us.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2014 16:31:54 GMT -8
Our fans have big ideas that are not practical. Rocky could not get any one we could afford so Bob saved us. Link?
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Post by sdsu4lifealmost on Nov 5, 2014 20:23:17 GMT -8
I think if Toledo retires and Horton is promoted to succeed him or if Toledo retires and is replaced by Al Borges that the debate would end right there. Do you notice the same posters post the same boring dribble? What's the debate? If we don't have a QB that can pass then we need to be a running team. Discussion over. Toledo is an easy target. The real target (IMHO) should be the QB coach regarding development and staffing or lack thereof... I agree with everything that was said in this statement, however Toledo isn't cutting the coach extension reward for himself. He doesn't know how to utilize the offense knowing full well the limitations set upon our players. He makes questionable calls. I am sure he has his reasons and those reasons are probably self reliant on a probable strategy and game plan. But I feel he has not made strides with the players on the offense side of things. Maybe hes a good coach, but hes not the right coach for SDSU. He doesn't fit in well in the big scheme of things and that is to improve on what the offense is giving him, we have lost two games this season, because of his play calling. I can't string myself to watch another game knowing he has control of the offense. I won't let myself get involved with a team that is slowly destroying what little arousal i have for our team. The apathy is slowly creeping in. I expect good results next season or my hope and dreams for SDSU, as a rising football team will come to an end. I like Rocky Long but I am starting to question whether he will be able to bring us a win against a top 25 team one day. Rocky has my approval because our defense is second to none. But we still haven't found a offense that can click on all cylinders for 4 quarters. I am starting to think that (like the quoted post) is not so much Toledo but the lack of a good QB coach, however Toledo should be aware of our limitations and understand what needs to happen for us to put points on the score board. Our defense was on the field way to long in the last game, and for this I blame Toledo. Its Toledo's game plan, Toledo's offense that fails time and time again. I hold the belief that Toledo is no longer our long-term solution to taking us to the next step of this football realignment. We must win games, and we must win big. For this reason I would not like Toledo back in the next season. And as the previous poster stated, our QB coach needs to not come back next season as well. I have spoken so let these words be true and honest.
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Post by bearfoot on Nov 5, 2014 22:11:20 GMT -8
We also aren't competing with the top of G-5 I know, that is what I have been writing. We can not afford to hire at top OC, unless they are willing to earn much less than at a big school. Rocky is in the same boat.
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Post by bearfoot on Nov 5, 2014 22:16:13 GMT -8
Do you notice the same posters post the same boring dribble? What's the debate? If we don't have a QB that can pass then we need to be a running team. Discussion over. Toledo is an easy target. The real target (IMHO) should be the QB coach regarding development and staffing or lack thereof... I agree with everything that was said in this statement, however Toledo isn't cutting the coach extension reward for himself. He doesn't know how to utilize the offense knowing full well the limitations set upon our players. He makes questionable calls. I am sure he has his reasons and those reasons are probably self reliant on a probable strategy and game plan. But I feel he has not made strides with the players on the offense side of things. Maybe hes a good coach, but hes not the right coach for SDSU. He doesn't fit in well in the big scheme of things and that is to improve on what the offense is giving him, we have lost two games this season, because of his play calling. I can't string myself to watch another game knowing he has control of the offense. I won't let myself get involved with a team that is slowly destroying what little arousal i have for our team. The apathy is slowly creeping in. I expect good results next season or my hope and dreams for SDSU, as a rising football team will come to an end. I like Rocky Long but I am starting to question whether he will be able to bring us a win against a top 25 team one day. Rocky has my approval because our defense is second to none. But we still haven't found a offense that can click on all cylinders for 4 quarters. I am starting to think that (like the quoted post) is not so much Toledo but the lack of a good QB coach, however Toledo should be aware of our limitations and understand what needs to happen for us to put points on the score board. Our defense was on the field way to long in the last game, and for this I blame Toledo. Its Toledo's game plan, Toledo's offense that fails time and time again. I hold the belief that Toledo is no longer our long-term solution to taking us to the next step of this football realignment. We must win games, and we must win big. For this reason I would not like Toledo back in the next season. And as the previous poster stated, our QB coach needs to not come back next season as well. I have spoken so let these words be true and honest. At least you aren't short on ego. Do you think the two fumbles had any effect on the O in the last game? If no, there is no hope.
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Post by fisherville on Nov 5, 2014 23:26:25 GMT -8
We also aren't competing with the top of G-5 I know, that is what I have been writing. We can not afford to hire at top OC, unless they are willing to earn much less than at a big school. Rocky is in the same boat. No I mean we can compete at top of G-5 with a good coach, we just lack one.
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Post by bearfoot on Nov 6, 2014 11:09:58 GMT -8
I know, that is what I have been writing. We can not afford to hire at top OC, unless they are willing to earn much less than at a big school. Rocky is in the same boat. No I mean we can compete at top of G-5 with a good coach, we just lack one. Yes we can, but it will be very difficult I think we have a good coach. However, Rocky is not a great coach. Perhaps he is an economical coach. That story illustrates how difficult it is and will be, for non B5 teams to compete with the biggies
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2014 13:35:43 GMT -8
No I mean we can compete at top of G-5 with a good coach, we just lack one. Yes we can, but it will be very difficult I think we have a good coach. However, Rocky is not a great coach. Perhaps he is an economical coach. Agreed. He's the football coach version of my wife's Lexus CT hybrid.
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Post by Village Aztec on Nov 6, 2014 18:37:23 GMT -8
I remember reading that Rocky was looking at 2 OC we could not afford. He turn to Bob who wanted to help as a friend. Bob said he would do 2 years. I was not picking on Bob, I was saying we may have to get a new OC and a new system as well as OB's. So this is getting complicated.
Sorry I am an accountant and tend to look at our money limitations.
Our next head coach will cost a Million. A DC and OC would be $300,000 each.
So we have to get lucky to find all 3.
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Post by sdsu4lifealmost on Nov 6, 2014 19:57:20 GMT -8
I agree with everything that was said in this statement, however Toledo isn't cutting the coach extension reward for himself. He doesn't know how to utilize the offense knowing full well the limitations set upon our players. He makes questionable calls. I am sure he has his reasons and those reasons are probably self reliant on a probable strategy and game... QB coach needs to not come back next season as well. I have spoken so let these words be true and honest. At least you aren't short on ego. Do you think the two fumbles had any effect on the O in the last game? If no, there is no hope. Of course fumbles affect our offense but the game is played through 4 quarters and 2 fumbles don't make or break a team. Toledo job is to find a way to score, and he didn't do that, so I blame him. There are missed opportunities on both ends of the floor, but Rocky has done good on his defensive scheme. This team cannot ride on Toledo's back any longer, we need a new offensive coach and if you can't see that, then hope for you my friend as a competent football fan is lost. I won't let myself suffer another loss that we should have won (NC State and Fresno), If you want to keep Toledo then fire Rocky but for this school to succeed we must show our value to the Big Dogs in order to join there special club and we haven't done that.
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Post by bearfoot on Nov 6, 2014 20:24:55 GMT -8
At least you aren't short on ego. Do you think the two fumbles had any effect on the O in the last game? If no, there is no hope. Of course fumbles affect our offense but the game is played through 4 quarters and 2 fumbles don't make or break a team. Toledo job is to find a way to score, and he didn't do that, so I blame him. There are missed opportunities on both ends of the floor, but Rocky has done good on his defensive scheme. This team cannot ride on Toledo's back any longer, we need a new offensive coach and if you can't see that, then hope for you my friend as a competent football fan is lost. I won't let myself suffer another loss that we should have won (NC State and Fresno), If you want to keep Toledo then fire Rocky but for this school to succeed we must show our value to the Big Dogs in order to join there special club and we haven't done that. Who and when were you anointed emperor of all that is football?
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Post by fowl on Nov 6, 2014 23:05:12 GMT -8
At least you aren't short on ego. Do you think the two fumbles had any effect on the O in the last game? If no, there is no hope. Of course fumbles affect our offense but the game is played through 4 quarters and 2 fumbles don't make or break a team. Toledo job is to find a way to score, and he didn't do that, so I blame him. There are missed opportunities on both ends of the floor, but Rocky has done good on his defensive scheme. This team cannot ride on Toledo's back any longer, we need a new offensive coach and if you can't see that, then hope for you my friend as a competent football fan is lost. I won't let myself suffer another loss that we should have won (NC State and Fresno), If you want to keep Toledo then fire Rocky but for this school to succeed we must show our value to the Big Dogs in order to join there special club and we haven't done that. FYI you lose ALL credibility when you don't even know the teams that we played this year. Jesus.
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Post by uncledougy on Nov 7, 2014 3:57:23 GMT -8
I think if Toledo retires and Horton is promoted to succeed him or if Toledo retires and is replaced by Al Borges that the debate would end right there. Do you notice the same posters post the same boring dribble? What's the debate? If we don't have a QB that can pass then we need to be a running team. Discussion over. Toledo is an easy target. The real target (IMHO) should be the QB coach regarding development and staffing or lack thereof... You are right, they should recruit a QB. And that they did. We have a stud coming in for the next 2 years. He will end up being a program changer and one of the best Aztec QBs of all time.
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