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Post by AztecWilliam on Sept 20, 2014 23:28:29 GMT -8
Considering how miserable the Molehill West is, no way do we change QBs at this point. As was the case last year, Kaehler is plenty competent to defeat the remaining detritis on our schedule. Detritis? I had to look it up. Were you an English major? Detritis, perhaps. Flotsam and jetsam, you bet! AzWm
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Post by OCEOTL on Sept 20, 2014 23:35:59 GMT -8
Is it me or does he just completely suck all the way around. He can't manage a clock or even a huddle, his arm is week, he is clueless, he can't judge or read a defense, he is slow, he has no confidence and we go three and out too much. Give me anything but Quinn Kaehler, please! Well the facts are he played one year of high school and 2 years of JC. It's not QK's fault that he's the starter, he's doing his best. Blame the staff for piss poor recruiting. 2014 = 10-2 2015 = 13-0 This is what you said last week: "I'm siding with Rocky who says he doesn't recruit to the stars.: Read more: aztecmesa.proboards.com/thread/39656/counting-stars-recruiting-wars?page=2#ixzz3DvuDzDAR'
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Post by AztecWilliam on Sept 20, 2014 23:37:36 GMT -8
I have a feeling Toledo is saving face by continuing to play QK. If Bawden replaces QK, then it's an admission that they do not know how to develop talent. The only way Bawden gets to start is if we lose the next few games. Who says he has the talent for this level? Maybe the problem isn't developing talent but rather recruiting talent. Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner! Yup, it's recruiting. Look, there's a reason why Mannion plays for Oregon State while QK plays for SDSU. And Quinn is, despite his efforts and no doubt great desire, simply not in the same league as Sean Mannion. SDSU maybe once in a decade gets a 4-star athlete, and never, ever a 5-star one. We get more 3-star players than a few years ago, but still must rely on 2-star recruits for over half of each recruiting class. When you get into the P5 recruiting classes, 2-star players are few and far between, especially when you study the classes of the top ranked schools. As far as Quinn Kaehler is concerned, I, too have noted that he seems not to have gotten better. That is likely a sure sign that he never really was an outstanding addition to the team in the first place. He probably would be a good backup to a first class QB. But that first class QB just isn't there for the Aztecs, AzWm
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Post by aztech on Sept 20, 2014 23:55:18 GMT -8
I stand by what I wrote. A good G5 recruiter needs to judge the potential of the recruit, not how many stars he has. The 5 stars and mostly 4 stars go to the P5 and don't kid yourself, some of them end up busts. Hey, didn't we sign a 3* QB here, yet he washed out? I have yet to see Nick Bawden play so we'll see if he's all hype. BTW I think he was a 2* so if he's the real deal, that confirms my previous post.
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Post by aztech on Sept 21, 2014 0:17:37 GMT -8
One last thing. If Bawden is all that I hear he is he'll be the spark to create excitement. We have the talent to win in the goat conference, even if he makes a couple of mistakes due to inexperience. We can also win goat games with QK, but in a boring way. I doubt Toledo will change QBs, but it may be necessary for attendance sake.
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Post by Gundo on Sept 21, 2014 2:06:12 GMT -8
No point in burning the Freshman's redshirt now. It will be better for a future to have him that extra year. Plus, QK will do just fin in conference. Boise is our only threat. We very well can go 8-1 the rest of the way, with the division and play in the conference title game. I disagree, play the best players you have. Quinn Kaehler, may or may not be the best. The MWC is a poor league, and I would leave it up to Bob Toledo to make it work. Get a kid with a stronger arm because QK can't hit a throw over 10 yards.
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Post by temeculaaztec on Sept 21, 2014 6:33:38 GMT -8
Jake Rodriguez (transfer from Oregon) will be the starter next year...Yes, I'm making a call.
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Post by hoobs on Sept 21, 2014 7:09:07 GMT -8
But what happened to QK? Last year he played pretty darned well. At some point someone has to look at Sipe. That being said I think QK was average last year, he has certainly taken step back from that this year. Yup.
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Post by laaztec on Sept 21, 2014 7:49:30 GMT -8
QK is ineffective against Power 5 defenses. We understand Ruffin is out but still too many interceptions. He should be OK against the average MWC defenses, however, Bawden should be given a chance to see what he can do if QK throws another interception. This is exactly it. QK is a G5 QB. The MWC DB's are slower and the margin for error will be bigger. SDSU QB recruiting was bad and they got caught with their pants down. QK is a stopgap until the Oregon Transfer takes over next year. The reason he looks worse this year is because QK knows the playbook better Toledo is asking him to do more but obviously he can't. QK will be decent against the lower level of competition of the MWC.
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Post by ignoranus on Sept 21, 2014 8:31:09 GMT -8
3 games played, record 1 win, 2 losses. Three consecutive "subpar" QB performances. Mannion has a big time arm, QK seeems to have a small time arm; why don't the Aztecs get guys like that? FSU turns them out regularly. SJSU had one last year. The game announcers several times identified Aztec passes as poor throws; don't recall a single OSU pass getting that tag.
Decision making. Repeated delay of game penalties are really terminally DUMB!! Whether the fault of the coaches or QB. Doing it several times, or being forced to burn time outs because the team is repeatedly NOT READY in the allotted time is inept. Why do the coaches think this is good game management? Compared to what?
Third down. Several times the Aztec receiver was two to four yards short of first down distance and was immediately tackled. Is every other guy covered that well? Or, was that really the primary target or just another poor QB decision? Most games I see the QB throws to a guy past the first down markers in order to give his team the best chance for a first down: GOOD decision making. What are the Aztecs thinking?
Tackling. On one occasion three Aztecs failed to down the receiver on a short third down completion and he made a first down. Terrible! Run defense became increasingly porous.
QB. It is imperative the next guy starts to get some game time experience. This team needs to prepare for a QK injury, or next year: Take your pick. Three "subpar"games is intolerable. One, two and three strikes you're out. Or at least on the way.
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Post by aztecalum on Sept 21, 2014 8:38:04 GMT -8
Rocky made the statement to get to the next level (undefeated, 11-1 type season requires an elite level QB). This statement provides me the confidence Rocky knows what it take to get to the next level and the fact we are not there now. If Bawden was ready to play at a high level today he would be playing. We don't have to look past our starting center this year for evidence. I believe QK gives us the best chance to win this year however is not good enough to beat P5 teams with better athletes.
My only request is Rocky/Toledo find playing time for Bawden this year which will be critical for his development.
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Post by legkick on Sept 21, 2014 8:39:54 GMT -8
Detritis, perhaps. Flotsam and jetsam, you bet! AzWm It's detritus, you bloviating loads of codswallop.
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Post by ignoranus on Sept 21, 2014 8:40:21 GMT -8
High five on that!
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Post by myownwords on Sept 21, 2014 8:57:53 GMT -8
QK is ineffective against Power 5 defenses. We understand Ruffin is out but still too many interceptions. He should be OK against the average MWC defenses, however, Bawden should be given a chance to see what he can do if QK throws another interception. This is exactly it. QK is a G5 QB. The MWC DB's are slower and the margin for error will be bigger. SDSU QB recruiting was bad and they got caught with their pants down. QK is a stopgap until the Oregon Transfer takes over next year. The reason he looks worse this year is because QK knows the playbook better Toledo is asking him to do more but obviously he can't. QK will be decent against the lower level of competition of the MWC. You're forgetting something: One more year of tutelage with these coaches will deplete, not enhance, his abilities.
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Post by AztecWilliam on Sept 21, 2014 9:56:25 GMT -8
3 games played, record 1 win, 2 losses. Three consecutive "subpar" QB performances. Mannion has a big time arm, QK seeems to have a small time arm; why don't the Aztecs get guys like that? FSU turns them out regularly. SJSU had one last year. The game announcers several times identified Aztec passes as poor throws; don't recall a single OSU pass getting that tag. Decision making. Repeated delay of game penalties are really terminally DUMB!! Whether the fault of the coaches or QB. Doing it several times, or being forced to burn time outs because the team is repeatedly NOT READY in the allotted time is inept. Why do the coaches think this is good game management? Compared to what? Third down. Several times the Aztec receiver was two to four yards short of first down distance and was immediately tackled. Is every other guy covered that well? Or, was that really the primary target or just another poor QB decision? Most games I see the QB throws to a guy past the first down markers in order to give his team the best chance for a first down: GOOD decision making. What are the Aztecs thinking? Tackling. On one occasion three Aztecs failed to down the receiver on a short third down completion and he made a first down. Terrible! Run defense became increasingly porous. QB. It is imperative the next guy starts to get some game time experience. This team needs to prepare for a QK injury, or next year: Take your pick. Three "subpar"games is intolerable. One, two and three strikes you're out. Or at least on the way. You certainly have made a mockery of your AztecMesa handle. Your comments are not the product of ignorance! I especially took notice of the QB comparison with Fresno State and SJSU. Why are we forced to go with a former walk-on who is game but obviously limited talent-wise? Also, why the screw-ups with delay of game and burning timeouts? And poor tackling? Coaching has to have something to do with it. Inadequate recruiting has to play a part, as well. I'm afraid too many Aztec fans underestimate just how far from being competitive even with mid-range P5 schools the team is. Will Rocky Long's staff suddenly start bringing in busloads of 3 and 4 star recruits? Guys who can pass farther than 10 or 15 yards? Guys who can tackle as well as Jack Del Rio? I'd like to think so, but it seems unlikely. SDSU's football program will not break out of the 7 or 8 win a season rut until a new head coach, someone with the credentials to take a decent program to the next level (god forgive me for the cliché), takes over. We have had our chances to hire a program changing coach. Jim Sweeney in the '80s. Rich Brooks, Dick Tomey, and Terry Bowden more recently. We passed on every one, and probably one or two others that I have forgotten. Oh, yes, how about Jimbo Fisher? Isn't he the guy who later won a national championship at Florida State? The guy recommended to SDSU by a scouting firm to which our school paid money to find the best candidate? The guy passed over in favor of Chuck Long? With that record of hiring stupidity, SDSU probably deserves to be in a conference with San Jose State and New Mexico. Be that as it may, unless we can find someone like Tomey or Bowden, someone with instant name recognition and a winning record at the highest level, this program is going nowhere. AzWm
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Post by AztecWilliam on Sept 21, 2014 10:06:49 GMT -8
Detritis, perhaps. Flotsam and jetsam, you bet! AzWm It's detritus, you bloviating loads of codswallop. Well, detritus does not offend ProBoard's spell checker, so I went with that spelling. I think it was spelled that way by the poster who first used the word in this thread. Just shows that you can't trust anything these days. AzWm
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Post by sdcoug on Sept 21, 2014 10:09:23 GMT -8
I stand by what I wrote. A good G5 recruiter needs to judge the potential of the recruit, not how many stars he has. The 5 stars and mostly 4 stars go to the P5 and don't kid yourself, some of them end up busts. Hey, didn't we sign a 3* QB here, yet he washed out? I have yet to see Nick Bawden play so we'll see if he's all hype. BTW I think he was a 2* so if he's the real deal, that confirms my previous post.
Well said and agree 100%. G5 is about player evaluation and coaching. P5 schools prioritize the QB spot more than any and the 4 and 5 stars go elsewhere. You recruit them with the hope they leave due to PT. The kid RS'ing is a prime example.
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Post by OCEOTL on Sept 21, 2014 11:41:24 GMT -8
I stand by what I wrote. A good G5 recruiter needs to judge the potential of the recruit, not how many stars he has. The 5 stars and mostly 4 stars go to the P5 and don't kid yourself, some of them end up busts. Hey, didn't we sign a 3* QB here, yet he washed out? I have yet to see Nick Bawden play so we'll see if he's all hype. BTW I think he was a 2* so if he's the real deal, that confirms my previous post.
2014 = 10-2 2015 = 13-0 You lack an understanding of probabilities. The exception to a rule is not the rule. The reason Rocky does not go after 5* players is that the chance of getting one is nil. Rocky is relegated to looking for under the radar players, Saban is not.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2014 11:50:30 GMT -8
As far as Quinn Kaehler is concerned, I, too have noted that he seems not to have gotten better. That is likely a sure sign that he never really was an outstanding addition to the team in the first place. He probably would be a good backup to a first class QB. But that first class QB just isn't there for the Aztecs Yes. Quinn is a kid with backup ability who has now been our starting QB for exactly a year. It's not his fault that's the case, it's the fault of our coaching staff, which didn't recruit and develop a quality starter for five consecutive years and by that, I'm not criticizing Chuck Long's staff.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2014 11:54:08 GMT -8
No one the MW gets five star players. This mystical Coach who will come here for half the pay of a top school where is he William. Hiding behind the tooth fairy no doubt. Last year it was Dino who lost Western Kentucky already.WE are one good QB away and we have two candidates next year. Top QBs want to play in the spread,but the spread rips your denfense to pieces against the run. So you have to outscore everyone.
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