|
Post by bearfoot on Sept 20, 2014 9:49:40 GMT -8
Dude was told to go up on the mesa and write a story about what folks on the campus have to say about football. He did. Things changed. There was a huge movement among the faculty to dump football. He wrote about it. Why hate? Why hate someone doing their job? He wrote a hit piece on my Alma Mater. Why wouldn't I hate the guy? Where's the retraction, where's the update? He's a stanford grad, soccer fan slumming it down here. If you think for one second that that article was just some journalistic exercise then you are deluding yourself. The SOB wrote an article that he has never backed-down from, nor explained/rationalized seeking to severely cripple your university and you want to hold hands with him because he writes a sweet article about Steve Fisher every late fall? That's insanity. So, you're not denying that what he wrote was true, you just hate because of the topic. I'd guess that you probably are not a fan of Brent Schrotenboer either? I read Webber's response, and when he addressed the facts of MZ's story he used the non deny denial form. I read most of the original article to see what was happening in the athletic department and on campus when it was written. Football was a mess, the department was going broke, the state U system had just cracked down on gender equity, and the dope Schemmel was still AD. The department was 4 mill upside down. We had just hired Brady because though Chuck Long was a good dude, he was a horrible head coach. Our team was regularly loosing by anywhere from 20 to 60 points. We had a home attendance under 20K for the #7 Ranked Utah Utes. Webber (who I really liked because of his effort to protect the athletic department from most of the rest of the leaders on campus) had made loans from his budget to football just to keep it afloat. We all know how far football and the rest of the department has come since those dark days, but we shouldn't forget football had been crap for a really long time. How long had it been that we weren't even bowl eligible? We had been on a serious probation for numbskulls and thugs in football. Webber had just laid a big fee on the students to help athletics, and lots of students were PO'd. I think that setting those fees was a brilliant move, and stabilized the department. Perhaps it was one of the best things Webber did. Students were not going to watch football, they didn't like it. It is a lot different now, and it is possible that MZ's article woke up the department and our local fans. On top of the mess that was football, the tone on campus was worse. I worked in the school of Ed, in a department that frequently interacted with the other departments. We met once a month with other departments and there wasn't ever a meeting when the question of why football gets so much $ and support wasn't an off the record topic. Most of these dorks hated football and when I tried to explain the reasons we needed football, they would remind me that mu arguments might work at a school that had a reasonable football program, we didn't have one. You have asked for a retraction, what you may not have heard was that MZ said he not only didn't write the headline, he didn't think it fit his story and didn't like it.
|
|
|
Post by bearfoot on Sept 20, 2014 9:52:00 GMT -8
|
|
|
Post by monty on Sept 20, 2014 10:43:21 GMT -8
Where did I say I thought it was true? It wasn't. Football today, football tomorrow, football forever. Of course the headline fit. He's a little weasel. And you're a self-loathing Aztec or even worse a t-shirt fan if you think any of that drivel was true or that that headline doesn't fit the spirit of that little weasel's article.
Football pays for itself, it's the title ix sports that suck the department dry. Also, Brent S provided facts, the soccer fan just said or danced around saying get rid of football.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2014 11:34:05 GMT -8
It wasn't an article. Articles just report facts. It was an opinion piece.
|
|
|
Post by OnionHead on Sept 20, 2014 11:51:05 GMT -8
I have never taken one of Ziegler's articles seriously since his hit piece in the UT. He is dead to me ever since that.
Go Aztecs
|
|
|
Post by standiego on Sept 20, 2014 13:14:33 GMT -8
Article was written just as Chuck Long was finishing up his stint as FB coach in 2008. Terrible choice . Schemmel (sp) still AD ,. Look at the direction SDSU football had been going . He makes a solid point that the Power Football Conferences were starting their take over of College football , so a decision was going to be needed to either get going quickly or as is happening now, some schools may sink. In January 2015 the P5 will introduce even more rules as the stipends will start Fall of 2015 . We will see what schools will be able to hang on , as AD's become Financial advisors and fund raisers . Article was kick in to the gut but maybe a wake up call to those folks who wanted to save football at SDSU . May not be the message any one of us wanted to hear but needed to be said .
|
|
|
Post by bearfoot on Sept 20, 2014 15:07:49 GMT -8
Article was written just as Chuck Long was finishing up his stint as FB coach in 2008. Terrible choice . Schemmel (sp) still AD ,. Look at the direction SDSU football had been going . He makes a solid point that the Power Football Conferences were starting their take over of College football , so a decision was going to be needed to either get going quickly or as is happening now, some schools may sink. In January 2015 the P5 will introduce even more rules as the stipends will start Fall of 2015 . We will see what schools will be able to hang on , as AD's become Financial advisors and fund raisers . Article was kick in to the gut but maybe a wake up call to those folks who wanted to save football at SDSU . May not be the message any one of us wanted to hear but needed to be said . Bingo
|
|
|
Post by bearfoot on Sept 20, 2014 15:13:06 GMT -8
It wasn't an article. Articles just report facts. It was an opinion piece. www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/article1 ar·ti·cle noun \ˈär-ti-kəl\ : a piece of writing about a particular subject that is included in a magazine, newspaper, etc. : a particular kind of object : a separate part of a legal document that deals with a single subject I really do understand your point, but it is incorrect. Of course it was opinion, but it was based on facts the author gathered.
|
|
|
Post by HighNTight on Sept 20, 2014 16:16:45 GMT -8
It wasn't an article. Articles just report facts. It was an opinion piece. www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/article1 ar·ti·cle noun \ˈär-ti-kəl\ : a piece of writing about a particular subject that is included in a magazine, newspaper, etc. : a particular kind of object : a separate part of a legal document that deals with a single subject I really do understand your point, but it is incorrect. Of course it was opinion, but it was based on facts the author gathered. now explain native advertising in print media
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2014 16:21:51 GMT -8
In journalistic parlance, articles report facts and contain no opinion. As distinguished from columns, which contain opinion. You said all Zeigler did was comply with directions from his superior(s) to go to campus and report what he discovered. However, he did more than that as his piece expressed his personal opinion that SDSU should drop football. If you think that was OK it's fine by me but let's be clear that he didn't simply act as a reporter.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2014 10:13:02 GMT -8
|
|
|
Post by zurac315 on Sept 26, 2014 13:54:18 GMT -8
Being stuck in a conference with schools like CSU and Wyoming whose achievements and ceiling for success have been and will always be very limited sure as hell isn't helping SDSU move up the ladder of success. Boston College, having beaten USC, is only favored over CSU by nine. I'm a little surprised by that.
|
|