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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2014 9:39:47 GMT -8
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Post by standiego on Sept 15, 2014 10:25:32 GMT -8
Mark Kisla's article from the Denver Post . Had 22,000 for their game against Cal- Davis . Last year he says their average attendance was 18,600 . His note just drop their team into the Big Sky
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Post by aztech on Sept 15, 2014 12:11:26 GMT -8
When Zeigler wrote his piece suggesting we drop football, I think he meant it as a wake up call rather than being sincere about dropping the sport. For good reason. Presidents Tom Day and Stephen Weber(until the boosters threatened him) could have given two shits about sports, which resulted in our lost decades. Even so we had a core of about 15K loyal fans who attended those disasters. The bandwagon fans have always been in the background, we just didn't win.
In CSU's case even during the Lubick years they had a low fan base. Remember, Ft. Collins only has a population of about 150,000 people and what fans they have in Denver don't seem to care enough about making the trek to such a horrible stadium in the middle of nowhere. Big difference.
I think this Mark has more juice in his article than our Mark did in his.
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Post by SD Johnny on Sept 15, 2014 12:17:31 GMT -8
I think Zeigler meant every single word of that article.
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Post by aztech on Sept 15, 2014 12:39:39 GMT -8
I think Zeigler meant every single word of that article. I'm sure he'd retract it if he did. After all, he's knows what winning did in MBB. |
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Sept 15, 2014 12:48:17 GMT -8
When Zeigler wrote his piece suggesting we drop football, I think he meant it as a wake up call rather than being sincere about dropping the sport. For good reason. Presidents Tom Day and Stephen Weber(until the boosters threatened him) could have given two shits about sports, which resulted in our lost decades. Even so we had a core of about 15K loyal fans who attended those disasters. The bandwagon fans have always been in the background, we just didn't win.
In CSU's case even during the Lubick years they had a low fan base. Remember, Ft. Collins only has a population of about 150,000 people and what fans they have in Denver don't seem to care enough about making the trek to such a horrible stadium in the middle of nowhere. Big difference.
I think this Mark has more juice in his article than our Mark did in his.
What? it was not a wake up call article. A wake up call would have been, invest in football or cut it..... Not cut it. Especially don't quote professors from the SMBA program where you were a guest lecturer as well. |
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Sept 15, 2014 12:49:18 GMT -8
I think Zeigler meant every single word of that article. I'm sure he'd retract it if he did. After all, he's knows what winning did in MBB. Until we see a piece in black and white stating a position of support of the football program, then his official position stands. |
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Sept 15, 2014 12:50:43 GMT -8
I think Zeigler meant every single word of that article. He certainly did, because has Rick Bay disease, benefit economically from State but be ashamed of the institution. |
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Post by aztech on Sept 15, 2014 12:56:10 GMT -8
I'm sure he'd retract it if he did. After all, he's knows what winning did in MBB. Until we see a piece in black and white stating a position of support of the football program, then his official position stands. Why would he? His writing about football to begin with is meaningless anyway. He's a basketball honk. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2014 13:04:42 GMT -8
Until we see a piece in black and white stating a position of support of the football program, then his official position stands. Why would he? His writing about football to begin with is meaningless anyway. He's a basketball honk. Don't forget he's a soccer(futbol) freak. |
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Sept 15, 2014 15:41:20 GMT -8
Until we see a piece in black and white stating a position of support of the football program, then his official position stands. Why would he? His writing about football to begin with is meaningless anyway. He's a basketball honk. He seemed to have convinced enough people at the UT to let him do the hit piece instead of basketball or soccer, I am sure he can convince a few more UT execs to let him share his current view, if it has changed. |
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Post by aztech on Sept 15, 2014 15:47:51 GMT -8
Why would he? His writing about football to begin with is meaningless anyway. He's a basketball honk. He seemed to have convinced enough people at the UT to let him do the hit piece instead of basketball or soccer, I am sure he can convince a few more UT execs to let him share his current view, if it has changed. Then they should let him. He'd only make a fool of himself if he wants to rehash what he wrote. I think the program is finally going in a positive direction. |
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Post by tuff on Sept 16, 2014 7:49:42 GMT -8
It does not matter what direction football goes. Unless we get in a P-5 conference, football will be DOA. The MWC is a glorified WAC anyways, and to continue playing in it has zero benefit. There is just no interest outside of die hard fans to care about the teams we currently play against, other than maybe Boise. P-5 or bust.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2014 7:59:58 GMT -8
It does not matter what direction football goes. Unless we get in a P-5 conference, football will be DOA. Chicken and egg. Unless football continues to improve, we aren't likely to get into a P5 conference. |
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Post by standiego on Sept 16, 2014 8:08:51 GMT -8
interesting that the Denver Post 's writer is ready to toss the CSU football team . What has happened to their AD ? Is there a link to read the article Zeigler wrote and date ?
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Post by AztecWilliam on Sept 16, 2014 10:35:20 GMT -8
Given the many assets of the San Diego region (weather, population, transportation, the Coryell/Gilbert legacy, etc.), Aztec football can rightfully be called underperforming. On the other hand, Colorado State simply does not enjoy the kind and degree of assets that we have. Seen in that light, the Lubick era was exceptional. Struggling to reach 20,000 average attendance is probably about what can be expected in Fort Collins.
Notice the issue of not being able to attract big name schools. We seem to have that same problem, though I continue to think that we may be able to turn that around, while CSU probably cannot.
It would take a lot of crow-eating for CSU to leave the MWC and join the Big Sky, so they probably will continue to limp along. I'm thinking that the same could be said for Wyoming, New Mexico, and even San Jose State. It's a matter of preferring to live in the worst house in Beverly Hills rather than the nicest one in San Pedro.
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Post by aztec70 on Sept 16, 2014 11:06:10 GMT -8
The article contrdicts itself. He bashes the stadium, saying it is a mess and not easy to get to, then says do not build a new stadium. Have to wonder if he is a CO fan and still pissed about the beat down from the Rams.
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Post by standiego on Sept 16, 2014 12:31:45 GMT -8
CSU home OOC football games 2014 Tulsa , 2015 Savanah State ,Minnesota ( home and away) , 2016 UTSA , North Colorado , 2017 no home yet but go to Alabama for money game , 2018 UTEP . Not too many great names there
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Post by AztecWilliam on Sept 16, 2014 13:11:19 GMT -8
The article contrdicts itself. He bashes the stadium, saying it is a mess and not easy to get to, then says do not build a new stadium. Have to wonder if he is a CO fan and still pissed about the beat down from the Rams.
Well, he does refer to some negatives associated with building a new, on-campus stadium. One is cost, the other is complaints from neighbors. And, let's remember, the author's conclusion is that CSU does not belong in the FBS.
Basically, Western schools, unless you have a long history of success at the highest NCAA level and are located in a major population area, have a difficult time keeping up with schools located in the East, South, and Middle West. Wyoming is a good case in point.
The state of Wyoming is 10th among the states in area (97,813 sq. miles) but 50th in population (582,658). The Equality State's density, 6.0 per square mile, is the lowest outside of Alaska. Compare that with Rhode Island, which is dead last in area (1545 sq. miles), 43rd in population (1,051,511). but 1017 per square mile in density. Rhode Island has over 1,000 per mile while Wyoming has only 6. That's SIX people per square mile! Even though, if I am correct, the Univ. of Wyoming is the only 4-year school in the state, there just are not enough Wyomingites to support big time football in Laramie. Certainly not if the costs of staying even within shouting distance of the likes of Colorado, Oregon, Washington, etc. rise greatly as they quite possibly will.
Most of the things touched upon in the previous paragraph apply to Colorado State and New Mexico, as well.
In a way, I would hate to see the Cowboys, Lobos, or Rams have to downgrade their programs, but it might well come to that. I've always thought that moving down to I-AA would have been a much better move for Fullerton and Long Beach rather than just folding their programs. Those schools really never should have been in I-A in the first place. A viable I-AA program for the 49ers and Titans would have preserved football at those two schools and would have given them a chance to succeed. (As you may know, Fullerton had just competed a new 10,000 seat on-campus stadium when the plug was pulled. Great timing!)
Unfortunately, the leaders of those schools had little imagination. One has to wonder if they even explored the possibility of moving to I-AA. As for Wyoming, to do that would be much harder, given the Cowboys' very long history of competing at the highest NCAA level. The same would be true for UNM and CSU, as well. But too much red ink can overcome sentiment and tradition. We shall see.
AzWm
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Post by aztech on Sept 16, 2014 23:10:57 GMT -8
The article contrdicts itself. He bashes the stadium, saying it is a mess and not easy to get to, then says do not build a new stadium. Have to wonder if he is a CO fan and still pissed about the beat down from the Rams.
Well, he does refer to some negatives associated with building a new, on-campus stadium. One is cost, the other is complaints from neighbors. And, let's remember, the author's conclusion is that CSU does not belong in the FBS.
Basically, Western schools, unless you have a long history of success at the highest NCAA level and are located in a major population area, have a difficult time keeping up with schools located in the East, South, and Middle West. Wyoming is a good case in point.
The state of Wyoming is 10th among the states in area (97,813 sq. miles) but 50th in population (582,658). The Equality State's density, 6.0 per square mile, is the lowest outside of Alaska. Compare that with Rhode Island, which is dead last in area (1545 sq. miles), 43rd in population (1,051,511). but 1017 per square mile in density. Rhode Island has over 1,000 per mile while Wyoming has only 6. That's SIX people per square mile! Even though, if I am correct, the Univ. of Wyoming is the only 4-year school in the state, there just are not enough Wyomingites to support big time football in Laramie. Certainly not if the costs of staying even within shouting distance of the likes of Colorado, Oregon, Washington, etc. rise greatly as they quite possibly will.
Most of the things touched upon in the previous paragraph apply to Colorado State and New Mexico, as well.
In a way, I would hate to see the Cowboys, Lobos, or Rams have to downgrade their programs, but it might well come to that. I've always thought that moving down to I-AA would have been a much better move for Fullerton and Long Beach rather than just folding their programs. Those schools really never should have been in I-A in the first place. A viable I-AA program for the 49ers and Titans would have preserved football at those two schools and would have given them a chance to succeed. (As you may know, Fullerton had just competed a new 10,000 seat on-campus stadium when the plug was pulled. Great timing!)
Unfortunately, the leaders of those schools had little imagination. One has to wonder if they even explored the possibility of moving to I-AA. As for Wyoming, to do that would be much harder, given the Cowboys' very long history of competing at the highest NCAA level. The same would be true for UNM and CSU, as well. But too much red ink can overcome sentiment and tradition. We shall see.
AzWm
Long Beach could have been saved had George Allen not died on them. He brought enthusiasm into the program and was pressing the admin to increase the size of the stadium. When his players celebrated a win and poured the Gatorade over him on a cold night, I think that's what did him in. |
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