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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2014 12:52:19 GMT -8
Umm, State does not need a 70k stadium, the reach and appeal of the Chargers and the Chargers are different. The NFL is king in attendance and TV rattings and even the SC's and Alabama's don't have its appeal. Even the Chargers don't don't need a 70K stadium (The Chargers wanted 70K), they seem to be topped out at 60-65. The Aztecs don't need more than 40-45K. This why State and the Chargers should not share a stadium. The clientele has some cross over but are largely different. The amenity needs in the stadiums are different. The Chargers need to offer Oggi's, Lounges, and other trinkets. The Aztecs just need basic concessions like you see at Viejas. Beer, Soda, water, hot dogs, hamburgers, kettle corn, etc..... Go to ND game and it is nothing like a Bears game. Got to a Tennessee Titan Game and it is nothing near a Volunteers game. etc.... College Football and the NFL are not one in needs, atmosphere, or clientele. Having them share a venue makes no sense, the Chargers don't really want to share a stadium with the Aztecs. They like the rent and the political cover but outside of that, they would rather have no other tenant. Of course we won't get sellouts in this cavern, but at the same time where are the crowds that Lugie had? At home watching the boob tube in HD
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on Sept 1, 2014 12:55:25 GMT -8
I love throwing the basketball turnaround in their faces too because it blows up their argument. The Q sucks the life out of the crowd and it's just a terrible venue for the program. No, it doesn't. When the on-campus arena was first built did fans flock to watch Aztec BB? No. Fisher could't even give tickets away. Did the Aztecs suddenly start getting 4 and 5 star recruits immediately? Again, no. Do not minimize the work that Fisher and his staff did to build a winning program. Just four years ago the average attendance was only 7,200 fans. That ain't bad when you consider UCLA managed only about 8,100 fans in a newly renovated Pauley Pavilion last year but it has just been in the last 3 seasons that SDSU started filling the arena routinely (and only the last two were "sellout seasons"). And it has been only in the last 4-5 years that we started getting interest from higher value recruits (and you can say that only in the last couple of years have we been mentioned in the top 20 for recruiting nationally). So, it took about 10 years for Aztec BB to be a popular ticket. "If you build it (a place to play), they will come" isn't the case outside of the movies. An on-campus arena does help. We play more home BB games (about 16-18) than home football (6) and at least half are played on weekdays. Putting an arena on campus makes it a lot easier for the students to attend games whereas college football is played on weekends and is an all day event. Let's say that you build a 45,000 seat stadium and you can count on 1/3 or the students showing up each game. That leaves 80% of the stadium to be filled by people that are not students of the university and likely live all over the county so an on-campus facility isn't, in itself, a draw for them. What you want is a location that is easy to get to and a product that is entertaining once you get there. And when it comes down to it, students don't pay nearly as much (aren't student section tickets free?) for their tickets as non-students do so you need strong support of non-students to help fund the program. Building Cox/Viejas is a MAJOR reason the program is where it is today. Without the new venue we don't attract a quality coach in Steve Fisher & staff. SDSU also does not attract higher caliber recruits that helped the program ascend to where it is today. Certainly their is a correlation to good facilities, good coaches, good recruits and success. This would apply for any sport including football.
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Sept 1, 2014 13:17:45 GMT -8
You guys continue to drink too much Charger koolaid ,The Q is a perfectly fine place to watch FB. If (allegedly) the press box and the equipment room leak I really don't care. Yes , I wish it was smaller but that's not going to happen. My advice is move to where the action is. I gave up my Club 49 yard line seats (felt like I was in church) for plaza near the students , bank and booty girls ...waaaay more fun. Plaza are the best seats in the stadium.
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Sept 1, 2014 13:18:52 GMT -8
No, it doesn't. When the on-campus arena was first built did fans flock to watch Aztec BB? No. Fisher could't even give tickets away. Did the Aztecs suddenly start getting 4 and 5 star recruits immediately? Again, no. Do not minimize the work that Fisher and his staff did to build a winning program. Just four years ago the average attendance was only 7,200 fans. That ain't bad when you consider UCLA managed only about 8,100 fans in a newly renovated Pauley Pavilion last year but it has just been in the last 3 seasons that SDSU started filling the arena routinely (and only the last two were "sellout seasons"). And it has been only in the last 4-5 years that we started getting interest from higher value recruits (and you can say that only in the last couple of years have we been mentioned in the top 20 for recruiting nationally). So, it took about 10 years for Aztec BB to be a popular ticket. "If you build it (a place to play), they will come" isn't the case outside of the movies. An on-campus arena does help. We play more home BB games (about 16-18) than home football (6) and at least half are played on weekdays. Putting an arena on campus makes it a lot easier for the students to attend games whereas college football is played on weekends and is an all day event. Let's say that you build a 45,000 seat stadium and you can count on 1/3 or the students showing up each game. That leaves 80% of the stadium to be filled by people that are not students of the university and likely live all over the county so an on-campus facility isn't, in itself, a draw for them. What you want is a location that is easy to get to and a product that is entertaining once you get there. And when it comes down to it, students don't pay nearly as much (aren't student section tickets free?) for their tickets as non-students do so you need strong support of non-students to help fund the program. Building Cox/Viejas is a MAJOR reason the program is where it is today. Without the new venue we don't attract a quality coach in Steve Fisher & staff. SDSU also does not attract higher caliber recruits that helped the program ascend to where it is today. Certainly their is a correlation to good facilities, good coaches, good recruits and success. This would apply for any sport including football. Atmosphere is important and after some thought, I agree with the poster that suggested that Women's basketball play in the Pete. It would make for a much better experience, especially since they have renovated the Pete.
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Post by aztech on Sept 1, 2014 14:20:33 GMT -8
Of course we won't get sellouts in this cavern, but at the same time where are the crowds that Lugie had? At home watching the boob tube in HD Well in that case then we should forget about selling out an OCS or seeing 40K crowds at the Q, right?
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Sept 1, 2014 14:33:45 GMT -8
Why did USD build the Slim Gym? To compete with Gonzaga. I know as a USD guy, you don't think much of State or think it has a right for ambition. But the cold hard facts is that you need facilities to recruit a coach, it doesn't mean you pick the right coach and wins are certain, but you can't even get a decent pool unless you have the facilities to attract the coach. When Viejas was built and they fired the ole ball coach, the pool of coaches who put in their names was 20x better than what applied before. Rick Majerus. Steve Fisher. To name just two. Certainly having the stadium does not lead to instant wins, but it takes a certain path.... Facilities - Shows commitment and increase the quality of the coaches you can hire. With Facilities and a coach, you can now recruit kids at a different level. Is it certain? No, but to say that Facilities are not integral in hiring a coach is a foolish. We would be properly screwed if we hadn't redone 55th street and had the Q. JMO. Have you seen the USD Rec Center? They couldn't compete with Gonzaga Prep let alone Gonzaga in that thing. But seriously, you made some great points. I'm not anti-campus stadium, I'm anti-blame other people for your problems. I wouldn't mind a situation where the Chargers and Aztecs got their own stadiums. If the Aztecs ever reach a level of success where the ticket demand exceeded the capacity, they could move the game to the larger Charger stadium. Everybody wins, everybody happy. USD 5100 seating in a damn nice facility Zags 6100 seating in a renovated gym Sans BYU, the place is one of the best in the WCC.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2014 14:38:43 GMT -8
At home watching the boob tube in HD Well in that case then we should forget about selling out an OCS or seeing 40K crowds at the Q, right? You said 70....is it 40 now? 40, maybe 50 tops is doable. Ask the chargers how easy it is to fill it up 70k seats when they're out of playoff contention. Or you can ask a majority of the PAC since only 2 or 3 have larger stadiums IIRC.
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Post by standiego on Sept 1, 2014 14:46:20 GMT -8
Deal with what you have , Aztecs are playing the schedule they have and are playing it at the Q , Stop complaining about the Q and do things to fill it . There is only 1 home game in September UNLV near the end of the month- talk to the local Casinos or ask Viejas, and make a Casino night at the Q . Start promoting it now. Go out to the community. Also let Pop Warner teams sell tickets and two winners ,who sell the most tickets play at half time sure they would be thrilled to play there . Same thing for HS bands. Aztecs have a bye one Saturday go to the malls and say hello - Selfy with an Aztec. Earn the fans, do not expect them to come a game . Establish a personal connection. If Aztecs run any commercial put it on PPR . Plan now on putting tarps on the all the top decks , condense the crowd into as few areas as possible .
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Post by aztech on Sept 1, 2014 14:46:47 GMT -8
Well in that case then we should forget about selling out an OCS or seeing 40K crowds at the Q, right? You said 70....is it 40 now? 40, maybe 50 tops is doable. Ask the chargers how easy it is to fill it up 70k seats when they're out of playoff contention. Or you can ask a majority of the PAC since only 2 or 3 have larger stadiums IIRC. Where did I say 70?
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Post by HighNTight on Sept 1, 2014 14:53:38 GMT -8
You said 70....is it 40 now? 40, maybe 50 tops is doable. Ask the chargers how easy it is to fill it up 70k seats when they're out of playoff contention. Or you can ask a majority of the PAC since only 2 or 3 have larger stadiums IIRC. Where did I say 70? You did say " Of course we won't get sellouts in this cavern, but at the same time where are the crowds that Lugie had? " I'm pretty sure sellout means 70K, if you meant to say where are the 50K that Lugie had ... it wasn't written that way. Edit: the way it was written, it comes across that Lugie had near sellouts ... and in a time before the HD TV home experience wasn't as good or better than live
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Post by myownwords on Sept 1, 2014 15:03:37 GMT -8
What a terrible stadium for SDSU to play in. Our Men's teams play in polar opposite buildings. The Q is a disaster and Viejas is an awesome college arena. Yup. Small but lively crowd tonight. The passion was there, the camaraderie was not. Put these same 20k in an Aztec building and it will be much different. We can watch it grow. WE can watch it flourish. WE will see 20k turn into 40k. WE will make it flourish because WE will be doing it TOGETHER. Many people reached out to me today - from 20 blue seats over. They wanted to make it an event. I would've shared my binoculars with them. I wanted to cheer with my fellow Aztecs. I saw them there. Our eyes met. I saw scarlet in their hearts. Like lost lovers, we stared at each other across a vast sea of crumbling concrete and gaudy Charger swag. Someday my fellow Aztecs. Someday we can use the unique culture that spawned the rise of Aztec Basketball. We can invest. We can make football a special event. We can make it our own. Our football players are willing to fight for us. Are we willing to do the same? Sorry, that will not happen in football with our current erzatz leadership.
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Post by aztecgold on Sept 1, 2014 15:36:46 GMT -8
Don't quite get this stuff about the stadium being too big. Michigan has over 100K. Let's start winning and fill it up. The problem is the marketing, the parking, the food and drink concessions, and everything that goes into the stadium. The stadium's size is not a problem. Just the lack of fan support which is due to the marketing, lack of winning for many years, schedule, poor alumni and student support, etc.
I don't think the stadium has affected our record at all, but the lack of fan support sure has
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Post by hbaztec on Sept 1, 2014 16:21:39 GMT -8
Yeah, 40k for the 25k that show up. Good plan. You would have made Cox/Viejas about 2-3k then....cause,you know, that's all that showed up when it was designed. Yeah, I remember this. Watching us beat Utah with about 2,500.
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Post by aztech on Sept 1, 2014 16:29:44 GMT -8
You did say " Of course we won't get sellouts in this cavern, but at the same time where are the crowds that Lugie had? " I'm pretty sure sellout means 70K, if you meant to say where are the 50K that Lugie had ... it wasn't written that way. Edit: the way it was written, it comes across that Lugie had near sellouts ... and in a time before the HD TV home experience wasn't as good or better than live Aren't you being a bit anal?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2014 16:49:05 GMT -8
You did say " Of course we won't get sellouts in this cavern, but at the same time where are the crowds that Lugie had? " I'm pretty sure sellout means 70K, if you meant to say where are the 50K that Lugie had ... it wasn't written that way. Edit: the way it was written, it comes across that Lugie had near sellouts ... and in a time before the HD TV home experience wasn't as good or better than live Aren't you being a bit anal? Hey! You're the one that misinterpreted scripture. Heretic! Charger Honk!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2014 17:00:21 GMT -8
Building Cox/Viejas is a MAJOR reason the program is where it is today. Without the new venue we don't attract a quality coach in Steve Fisher & staff. SDSU also does not attract higher caliber recruits that helped the program ascend to where it is today. Certainly their is a correlation to good facilities, good coaches, good recruits and success. This would apply for any sport including football. Atmosphere is important and after some thought, I agree with the poster that suggested that Women's basketball play in the Pete. It would make for a much better experience, especially since they have renovated the Pete. Plus, the volleyball net would be like an extra defender. No way in hell that's ever going to happen. Ever.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2014 17:10:18 GMT -8
Deal with what you have , Aztecs are playing the schedule they have and are playing it at the Q , Stop complaining about the Q and do things to fill it . There is only 1 home game in September UNLV near the end of the month- talk to the local Casinos or ask Viejas, and make a Casino night at the Q . Start promoting it now. Go out to the community. Also let Pop Warner teams sell tickets and two winners ,who sell the most tickets play at half time sure they would be thrilled to play there . Same thing for HS bands. Aztecs have a bye one Saturday go to the malls and say hello - Selfy with an Aztec. Earn the fans, do not expect them to come a game . Establish a personal connection. If Aztecs run any commercial put it on PPR . Plan now on putting tarps on the all the top decks , condense the crowd into as few areas as possible . Telling everyone what a crappy environment the games have is a better strategy. If people start showing up to games and FAR more importantly, if the games start "looking good" on the TEEVEE, the whole "we need a new stadium " thing sort of goes away.
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Post by Den60 on Sept 1, 2014 17:59:26 GMT -8
No, it doesn't. When the on-campus arena was first built did fans flock to watch Aztec BB? No. Fisher could't even give tickets away. Did the Aztecs suddenly start getting 4 and 5 star recruits immediately? Again, no. Do not minimize the work that Fisher and his staff did to build a winning program. Just four years ago the average attendance was only 7,200 fans. That ain't bad when you consider UCLA managed only about 8,100 fans in a newly renovated Pauley Pavilion last year but it has just been in the last 3 seasons that SDSU started filling the arena routinely (and only the last two were "sellout seasons"). And it has been only in the last 4-5 years that we started getting interest from higher value recruits (and you can say that only in the last couple of years have we been mentioned in the top 20 for recruiting nationally). So, it took about 10 years for Aztec BB to be a popular ticket. "If you build it (a place to play), they will come" isn't the case outside of the movies. An on-campus arena does help. We play more home BB games (about 16-18) than home football (6) and at least half are played on weekdays. Putting an arena on campus makes it a lot easier for the students to attend games whereas college football is played on weekends and is an all day event. Let's say that you build a 45,000 seat stadium and you can count on 1/3 or the students showing up each game. That leaves 80% of the stadium to be filled by people that are not students of the university and likely live all over the county so an on-campus facility isn't, in itself, a draw for them. What you want is a location that is easy to get to and a product that is entertaining once you get there. And when it comes down to it, students don't pay nearly as much (aren't student section tickets free?) for their tickets as non-students do so you need strong support of non-students to help fund the program. Steve Fisher DOES NOT come to SDSU without cox/Viejas. I've heard him say it privately and alluded to that in an interview last year. Cox/Viejas was the catalyst to where SDSU hoops is today and it doesn't surprise me a bit that you try to dismiss it because it doesn't fit your Charger Agenda. I never said it would happen overnight but I have no doubt you'd see a similar trend with regards to atmosphere and attendance that SDSU hoops went through. It didn't happen overnight but it happened and now we have a top 25 program and one of the rowdiest arenas in the nation. The transformation from one of the worst teams in D1 to one of the best started when ground was broken on Cox arena. You seem to miss the point where I speak to why an on campus arena has a bigger benefit than an on-campus stadium. If the university wanted to build an on campus stadium and have the funding capability to do so then why aren't they doing that rather than taking a wait and see approach with what happens with the Chargers? Right now I haven't heard anything serious from the university about building an on-campus facility or any clear plans and funding to buy the Q and the land around it. And you also missed the point that just building an arena didn't make the BB program a success. It took nearly a full decade before they got to a level of success where they are consistently ranked and playing in March Madness routinely - and doing so in the very same conference as the football team. Maybe they will get lucky and get a "big name" coach who would take on a struggling program and stay with it even when opportunities arise to step up to a bigger program. The more likely scenario is that any coach we get will look at the job as a stepping stone to bigger and better things. And what happens if, heaven forbid, they don't get that P5 invitation? That sure isn't locked in stone even with a new Aztec only football stadium? Even if the university were to build a 45K seat stadium they would be looking at trying to attract, at a minimum, 35K people who are not current students to attend. Being on the SDSU campus isn't as important as people on here claim, and the alcohol ban would be a detriment to attacting people to the games. As I've said, I think the best option for all parties, SDSU, the Chargers and the city to build a new stadium on the site of the Q but even the mention of a shared stadium is heresy on here. I really don't think the university has the financial wherewithal to finance their own stadium - even a 40K-45k one - and I don't think the CSU system is going to be willing to fund any part of a stadium deal (either building a new one or purchasing the Q) for SDSU regardless of where it is located.
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Post by zurac315 on Sept 1, 2014 18:38:24 GMT -8
Well, it's just too big and a multi-use stadium. A bad combination, but what are we going to do? Not much anytime soon.
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Post by zurac315 on Sept 1, 2014 18:40:16 GMT -8
We had 50k watching Faulk. Sent from my DROID RAZR using proboards And along came HD television and the death of the multipurpose stadium... Well, the crowd couldn't have fit in Viejas. From what I heard it wasn't a bad crowd and we actually won! So, maybe some of those folks will come back.
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