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Post by hoobs on Aug 25, 2014 17:31:16 GMT -8
Does anyone else get the same satisfaction I get knowing that fans of the opposing squads buttholes pucker just a little bit seeing SDSU on their schedule? YES! (happy to show we can agree on something!)
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Post by standiego on Aug 25, 2014 18:45:17 GMT -8
Very important 30 days (1 home,3 neutral court and 2 road games) for the Aztecs. 11/18 ESPN game vs Utah , 3 games Mau T 11 :24-26 (BYU, Pitt ?? Uof A , 12/7 @ Washington , 12 /17 @ Cincy , that could define the Aztec season. Toss in home games with Bakersfield , USD and Long Beach State . Also per Zeigler(UT) ,2/8 game @ BSU moved from Saturday to Sunday . Long Beach State and @ Nevada games now EPSN3
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Post by Gundo on Aug 25, 2014 21:58:33 GMT -8
UNM has a ridiculously piss poor OOC schedule. RPI killer? USC may be the best team outside of Puerto Rico they play. #UNMjokeshedule. And they don't travel.
Sat, Nov 01 Western New Mexico (Exhibition) Albuquerque, N.M. TBA Fri, Nov 07 Adams State (Exhibition) Albuquerque, N.M. TBA Fri, Nov 14 Idaho State Albuquerque, N.M. TBA Sun, Nov 16 Cal State Fullerton Albuquerque, N.M. TBA Thu, Nov 20 Boston College San Juan, Puerto Rico 3:00 p.m. Fri, Nov 21 TBA San Juan, Puerto Rico TBA Sun, Nov 23 TBA San Juan, Puerto Rico TBA Sun, Nov 30 USC Albuquerque, N.M. TBA Wed, Dec 03 New Mexico State Albuquerque, N.M. TBA Sat, Dec 06 Valparaiso Valparaiso, Ind. TBA Sat, Dec 13 UL Monroe Albuquerque, N.M. TBA Wed, Dec 17 Central Arkansas Albuquerque, N.M. TBA Sat, Dec 20 New Mexico State Las Cruces, N.M. TBA Tue, Dec 23 Grand Canyon Phoenix, Ariz. TBA
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Post by Gundo on Aug 25, 2014 22:04:53 GMT -8
UNLV on the other hand plays the blue bloods, Stanford, Duke or Temple, ASU, Utah, Arizona and Kansas + a couple of TBDs?
11/05/14 vs. Florida National (exhibition) # Thomas & Mack Center TBA Coaches vs. CancerĀ® Classic 11/14/14 TBA Thomas & Mack Center TBA 11/16/14 TBA Thomas & Mack Center TBA 11/21/14 vs. Stanford Barclays Center - Brooklyn, N.Y. 4:00 PM PT 11/22/14 Duke or Temple Barclays Center - Brooklyn, N.Y. 4:00 or 6:30 PM PT 11/29/14 vs. Albany Thomas & Mack Center TBA 12/03/14 at Arizona State Wells Fargo Arena - Tempe, Ariz. TBA 12/05/14 vs. St. Katherine Orleans Arena - Las Vegas TBA 12/13/14 vs. South Dakota Sanford Pentagon - Sioux Falls, S.D. TBA 12/17/14 vs. Portland Thomas & Mack Center TBA 12/20/14 vs. Utah MGM Grand Garden Arena - Las Vegas 8:30 PM PT 12/23/14 vs. Arizona Thomas & Mack Center TBA 12/27/14 vs. Southern Utah Thomas & Mack 01/04/15 at Kansas Lawrence, Kan. TBA
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Post by 1985aztec on Aug 26, 2014 5:39:28 GMT -8
Disappointing that we couldn't get a better OOC schedule with our recent success. Whats the SOS for our OOC? Has to be in the 200's Looking at that we should be able to win all those games, but I think we will only be allowed one hiccup if we want to get a decent tourney seed. We will probably play Arizona in Hawaii and at Cincinnati is very tough. If we lose to those two but beat Utah, BYU, Pitt, Washington and the rest, we will be fine. Ball State was 3-25 last year. Unless they really improve, that is a huge RPI killer. The only other RPI killer is Riverside who was 8-21 last year. Long Beach State will have a bad record coming into conference but playing the Big West will fix that. Bakersfield, Northridge, and USD aren't great but won't be RPI killers. BYU, Pitt, Utah, Arizona, Washington, Long Beach State, and Cincinnati should all have winning records. Our SOS won't be too bad, could be top 100 OOC. Northridge will not be an automatic win. They lost by two points in their conference final of going to the big dance. They are coached by Reggie Theus and return almost their entire team. We will be playing a lot of new kids for that game. We will win, but this is no gimme game out of the shoot.
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Post by AztecBill on Aug 26, 2014 7:24:53 GMT -8
We will probably play Arizona in Hawaii and at Cincinnati is very tough. If we lose to those two but beat Utah, BYU, Pitt, Washington and the rest, we will be fine. Ball State was 3-25 last year. Unless they really improve, that is a huge RPI killer. The only other RPI killer is Riverside who was 8-21 last year. Long Beach State will have a bad record coming into conference but playing the Big West will fix that. Bakersfield, Northridge, and USD aren't great but won't be RPI killers. BYU, Pitt, Utah, Arizona, Washington, Long Beach State, and Cincinnati should all have winning records. Our SOS won't be too bad, could be top 100 OOC. Northridge will not be an automatic win. They lost by two points in their conference final of going to the big dance. They are coached by Reggie Theus and return almost their entire team. We will be playing a lot of new kids for that game. We will win, but this is no gimme game out of the shoot. I hope Northridge has a nice season. That would be a schedule plus. I wonder if this is part of a home and home or a buy. With one exhibition game scheduled, I suspect the Aztecs will have a closed scrimmage. That should help getting ready for Northridge.
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Post by standiego on Aug 26, 2014 7:58:24 GMT -8
If we are talking about having a top 25 team then we really need a strong OOC record because we are going to take a hit once we start the MW . UNLV gets the message about playing quality teams in OOC as do the Aztecs . The rest of the MW does not . Aztecs may need to get through OOC play with only 2 or max 3 losses to have a top 25 team .Then on to the MW . Will need to win all home games and not lose more then 2 on the road .
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Post by pbbroker on Aug 26, 2014 8:02:11 GMT -8
UNLV on the other hand plays the blue bloods, Stanford, Duke or Temple, ASU, Utah, Arizona and Kansas + a couple of TBDs? 11/05/14 vs. Florida National (exhibition) # Thomas & Mack Center TBA Coaches vs. CancerĀ® Classic 11/14/14 TBA Thomas & Mack Center TBA 11/16/14 TBA Thomas & Mack Center TBA 11/21/14 vs. Stanford Barclays Center - Brooklyn, N.Y. 4:00 PM PT 11/22/14 Duke or Temple Barclays Center - Brooklyn, N.Y. 4:00 or 6:30 PM PT 11/29/14 vs. Albany Thomas & Mack Center TBA 12/03/14 at Arizona State Wells Fargo Arena - Tempe, Ariz. TBA 12/05/14 vs. St. Katherine Orleans Arena - Las Vegas TBA 12/13/14 vs. South Dakota Sanford Pentagon - Sioux Falls, S.D. TBA 12/17/14 vs. Portland Thomas & Mack Center TBA 12/20/14 vs. Utah MGM Grand Garden Arena - Las Vegas 8:30 PM PT 12/23/14 vs. Arizona Thomas & Mack Center TBA 12/27/14 vs. Southern Utah Thomas & Mack 01/04/15 at Kansas Lawrence, Kan. TBA That's a monster schedule.
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Post by AztecBill on Aug 26, 2014 9:36:13 GMT -8
If we are talking about having a top 25 team then we really need a strong OOC record because we are going to take a hit once we start the MW . UNLV gets the message about playing quality teams in OOC as do the Aztecs . The rest of the MW does not . Aztecs may need to get through OOC play with only 2 or max 3 losses to have a top 25 team .Then on to the MW . Will need to win all home games and not lose more then 2 on the road . We do not want mediocre teams playing a schedule like UNLV. Hopefully UNLV steps up and does OK with that schedule but in no way would I want this year's New Mexico to play that schedule. That would be bad for the Aztecs. We will not take an RPI hit in conference. The conference will have a winning record OOC. If it is 60%, we will get 2 teams into the dance. If it is 75% we will get 4 teams into the dance. It really is that simple. The conference's winning percentage OOC is the overriding determinant factor in whether playing in conference is a detriment or aid in keeping/improving our SOS. If the MWC scheduled like you wanted, we would take a hit playing in conference.
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Post by sdcoug on Aug 26, 2014 10:13:44 GMT -8
If we are talking about having a top 25 team then we really need a strong OOC record because we are going to take a hit once we start the MW . UNLV gets the message about playing quality teams in OOC as do the Aztecs . The rest of the MW does not . Aztecs may need to get through OOC play with only 2 or max 3 losses to have a top 25 team .Then on to the MW . Will need to win all home games and not lose more then 2 on the road . We do not want mediocre teams playing a schedule like UNLV. Hopefully UNLV steps up and does OK with that schedule but in no way would I want this year's New Mexico to play that schedule. That would be bad for the Aztecs. We will not take an RPI hit in conference. The conference will have a winning record OOC. If it is 60%, we will get 2 teams into the dance. If it is 75% we will get 4 teams into the dance. It really is that simple. The conference's winning percentage OOC is the overriding determinant factor in whether playing in conference is a detriment or aid in keeping/improving our SOS. If the MWC scheduled like you wanted, we would take a hit playing in conference. True. Playing a successful NC schedule trumps having a massive SOS with a poor record. If UNLV goes 7-6 NC & finishes in the top 2 in conference that doesn't paint the conference in a positive light. As long as teams don't completely dodge the good games, play a decent schedule & come out with a very good winning NC record it works out fine. Most importantly - coaches should schedule around what fits their team. If experience/returning a lot, then toughen up. If young/need confidence, schedule appropriately & mix in a couple tough ones late. Ideally get everyone to 8-4 or better even if that's 5 cupcakes, 4 mediocre & only 3 tough games if that's the best they can do from a competitive standpoint.
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Post by standiego on Aug 26, 2014 10:39:55 GMT -8
IMO the RPI is an over rated system . As proven by the MW flop back a few years ago. Many of its members of the selection committee have come out and said they primarily look at a team's record against top 50 then top 100 teams . To me they are the ones that matter . The Utah and BYU AD's are on the selection group and the games we play against them will be very important. They look for key wins- especially on the road and neutral court and avoiding a bad loss or two ,especially.at home. Last year we had high quality win @ Kansas , neutral court Creighton , maybe Marquette . Bad loss @ Wyoming .( most people see the Mountain Schools as difficult places that The MW is not a well respected conference any more, two bid league for MM , ZERO for the NIT last year and could get worse if schools do not add the new P5 rules . Unless teams do well in MM and in OOC quality games it will go the same way . Bill respect your facts on the RPI , and it may look better to those who only look at W-L record during OOC ,for other MW teams to rack up W's . But believe those in the know do not value their wins . How many times have the MW Range Riders come into conference play with a killer record then flop . They look at the resume and know every school has the opportunity to play some quality teams . I would ding UNM , and any other MW team that does not make an effort to schedule some quality games . did last year with NIT. In the end only hurts the Aztecs if they should lose a game to them . Coach Fisher knows this and schedules his OOC accordingly as did the Rebels . The bottom teams in the conference can not get quality games but if the middle group want any respect they need to make the effort . I think the OOC season, especially the 30 days from 11/18 - 12/17 is a vital time for the Aztecs rating/seeding. Yes every game is important all year but feel the selection group may take a closer look at that part then the MW . We still need a very good record in the MW , win all home games and maybe couple of road losses but not many more to get a good seed in MM.
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Post by AztecBill on Aug 26, 2014 12:21:17 GMT -8
IMO the RPI is an over rated system . As proven by the MW flop back a few years ago. Many of its members of the selection committee have come out and said they primarily look at a team's record against top 50 then top 100 teams . To me they are the ones that matter . The Utah and BYU AD's are on the selection group and the games we play against them will be very important. They look for key wins- especially on the road and neutral court and avoiding a bad loss or two ,especially.at home. Last year we had high quality win @ Kansas , neutral court Creighton , maybe Marquette . Bad loss @ Wyoming .( most people see the Mountain Schools as difficult places that The MW is not a well respected conference any more, two bid league for MM , ZERO for the NIT last year and could get worse if schools do not add the new P5 rules . Unless teams do well in MM and in OOC quality games it will go the same way . Bill respect your facts on the RPI , and it may look better to those who only look at W-L record during OOC ,for other MW teams to rack up W's . But believe those in the know do not value their wins . How many times have the MW Range Riders come into conference play with a killer record then flop . They look at the resume and know every school has the opportunity to play some quality teams . I would ding UNM , and any other MW team that does not make an effort to schedule some quality games . did last year with NIT. In the end only hurts the Aztecs if they should lose a game to them . Coach Fisher knows this and schedules his OOC accordingly as did the Rebels . The bottom teams in the conference can not get quality games but if the middle group want any respect they need to make the effort . I think the OOC season, especially the 30 days from 11/18 - 12/17 is a vital time for the Aztecs rating/seeding. Yes every game is important all year but feel the selection group may take a closer look at that part then the MW . We still need a very good record in the MW , win all home games and maybe couple of road losses but not many more to get a good seed in MM. Just two years ago the MWC had a great OOC W/L record and that helped improve all teams RPI during conference play. That gave every winning MWC team a good W/L record against top 100 teams. That is why we got 5 teams in. Last year OOC we had a poor W/L record and playing in the MWC didn't improve teams RPI nearly as much and dropped teams below 25, below 50, below 100 giving few chances for a top win in conference. The result was only 2 teams. RPI is very important because they look at records versus groups of RPI. How our conference mates do is very important too. If Wyoming was 11-0 OOC like 2012 instead of 7-4 last year, UNLV would move from #109 in RPI to #98. That would have moved the Aztecs record against top 100 teams from 6-3 to 9-3. Huge difference when that is part of the limited look they get. That is just one example. Having teams win OOC is very important. So much so that over scheduling hurts more than underscheduling. Wins is what matters.
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Post by azteccc on Aug 26, 2014 12:29:05 GMT -8
IMO the RPI is an over rated system . As proven by the MW flop back a few years ago. Many of its members of the selection committee have come out and said they primarily look at a team's record against top 50 then top 100 teams . To me they are the ones that matter . The Utah and BYU AD's are on the selection group and the games we play against them will be very important. They look for key wins- especially on the road and neutral court and avoiding a bad loss or two ,especially.at home. Last year we had high quality win @ Kansas , neutral court Creighton , maybe Marquette . Bad loss @ Wyoming .( most people see the Mountain Schools as difficult places that The MW is not a well respected conference any more, two bid league for MM , ZERO for the NIT last year and could get worse if schools do not add the new P5 rules . Unless teams do well in MM and in OOC quality games it will go the same way . Bill respect your facts on the RPI , and it may look better to those who only look at W-L record during OOC ,for other MW teams to rack up W's . But believe those in the know do not value their wins . How many times have the MW Range Riders come into conference play with a killer record then flop . They look at the resume and know every school has the opportunity to play some quality teams . I would ding UNM , and any other MW team that does not make an effort to schedule some quality games . did last year with NIT. In the end only hurts the Aztecs if they should lose a game to them . Coach Fisher knows this and schedules his OOC accordingly as did the Rebels . The bottom teams in the conference can not get quality games but if the middle group want any respect they need to make the effort . I think the OOC season, especially the 30 days from 11/18 - 12/17 is a vital time for the Aztecs rating/seeding. Yes every game is important all year but feel the selection group may take a closer look at that part then the MW . We still need a very good record in the MW , win all home games and maybe couple of road losses but not many more to get a good seed in MM. Tldr; but RPI is less important as a number attached to our own team than it is as a measure of top 25, 50 and 100. You're correct that RPI is less meaningful to the selection committee now than it was 5 years ago, but the system is still used to determine SOS and record against the top teams - that's why it's important.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2014 14:23:32 GMT -8
@dwong_: MW announced some game times for #AztecMBB: vs. USD - 8 p.m. PT on ESPNU, at Wyoming - 8 p.m. PT on ESPN2.
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Post by sleevo88 on Aug 27, 2014 5:58:55 GMT -8
I am so incredibly happy that Coach Fisher scheduled a game on 12/4/14 (or 12,414). The idea of a game on this date was embraced on this forum and was a topic of discussion on the old Ben Higgens and Chris Ello show (which I dearly miss). And the fact that we play USD - Perfect!! I can't wait to see what kind of special festivities they have planned.
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Post by AztecBill on Aug 27, 2014 8:18:36 GMT -8
2013-2014 records of our OOC opponents.
15 18 Northridge 19 12 Utah 12 19 Bakersfield 22 11 BYU 25 9 Pitt 30 4 Arizona 15 16 USD 17 15 Wash 13 17 LBSU 27 6 Cinn 3 25 Ball State 8 21 UCR .5324
If we lose one in Hawaii and one on the road our RPI would be: .6058 (.5324 * 3 + .8261)/4
7.6 / (7.6 + 1.6) = .8261 7.6 = 1 (neutral site win) + 1.4 (road win) + 4.2 (7 home wins * 0.6) 1.6 = 1 (neutral site loss) + 0.6 (road loss)
.6058 would be good for #29 last year. The Aztecs OOC RPI last year was #28.
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Post by AztecBill on Aug 27, 2014 8:39:22 GMT -8
31 games - 18 conference games = 13 games 13 games - 3 tournament games = 10 games. 10 games - USD = 9 games. 9 games - 7 home games = 2 road games.
The Aztecs are limited to 4 home and homes during any season with 2 at home and 2 on the road during every season. This year those games are Cincinnati, Washington, Utah, and Long Beach State. The rest of the home games (5) must be purchased. If the MWC had a 16 game schedule, like Fisher wants, we could have 6 home and homes every year.
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Post by sdcoug on Aug 27, 2014 9:05:25 GMT -8
2013-2014 records of our OOC opponents. 15 18 Northridge 19 12 Utah 12 19 Bakersfield 22 11 BYU 25 9 Pitt 30 4 Arizona 15 16 USD 17 15 Wash 13 17 LBSU 27 6 Cinn 3 25 Ball State 8 21 UCR .5324 If we lose one in Hawaii and one on the road our RPI would be: .6058 (.5324 * 3 + .8261)/4 7.6 / (7.6 + 1.6) = .8261 7.6 = 1 (neutral site win) + 1.4 (road win) + 4.2 (7 home wins * 0.6) 1.6 = 1 (neutral site loss) + 0.6 (road loss) .6058 would be good for #29 last year. The Aztecs OOC RPI last year was #28. Great info, thanks!
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Post by standiego on Aug 27, 2014 9:09:57 GMT -8
Bill you do a tremendous job with the stats and feel that RPI is very important. It may look good if the Lobos OOC's record is say 12-2 but people see who they are beating. IMO you can not just put lipstick on the Mountain Goat teams of the MW and fool the people making decisions for MM . The selection group wants to see your schedule and what quality teams have you beaten and if you slipped against poor teams. How much is a victory over them or the other goats going to be worth? On the other hand losing to them could hurt @ Wyoming last year. . The selection group knows that coaches have an opportunity to put together their OOC and challenge their team. Coach Fisher must know something or why would he put together a decent to challenging OOC schedule , because he believes the Aztecs need it to get a decent seed in MM . He has requested that the MW go to a shorter conference schedule but been told NO ,or maybe we go to a full 20 game schedule . The Rebels also saw this and put together a monster OOC , that I believe will help rather then hurt them in the end . Aztecs and Rebels are saying they feel they belong with the top 25 . The middle group UNM , CSU , BSU... what message are they putting out there and IMO only hurts the Aztecs and themselves in the end .
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Post by sdcoug on Aug 27, 2014 9:14:20 GMT -8
31 games - 18 conference games = 13 games 13 games - 3 tournament games = 10 games. 10 games - USD = 9 games. 9 games - 7 home games = 2 road games. The Aztecs are limited to 4 home and homes during any season with 2 at home and 2 on the road during every season. This year those games are Cincinnati, Washington, Utah, and Long Beach State. The rest of the home games (5) must be purchased. If the MWC had a 16 game schedule, like Fisher wants, we could have 6 home and homes every year. Maybe I'm missing something but why not 9 games - 6 home games = 3 road games, so 3 H & H's? Where's the rule about 7? UNLV is playing 3 road games (Kansas, ASU & Dakota); Utah is playing 4 very tough road games (SDSU, Kansas, BYU, UNLV). Curious why we're limited to 4 H&H's?
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