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Post by Aztec89 on Jul 22, 2014 19:25:22 GMT -8
Loh blow.
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Post by rockshow on Jul 22, 2014 20:22:48 GMT -8
Stefanie Loh knows very little about the sport of football and that is extremely apparent in her writing. I am absolutely stunned how many people like her so much.
I'm not criticizing her as a person at all. I don't know anything about cars really or quantum physics, and that doesn't make me a worse person and there's nothing personal when I criticize Stefanie's football IQ. But for a big paper like the UT, it shouldn't be so obvious that someone is clearly learning the sport of football on the job. You should already be an expert on the intricacies of the sport on day 1 and if you listen to her questions at press conferences or read the way she writes with a tone as if like she is giving revelatory information about basic college football knowledge you can tell she began her job with much less football background and knowledge than what I would want for someone covering a top 50 D1 program for the biggest paper in a top 20 media market.
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Post by gamer2101 on Jul 22, 2014 22:29:59 GMT -8
Stefanie Loh knows very little about the sport of football and that is extremely apparent in her writing. I am absolutely stunned how many people like her so much. I'm not criticizing her as a person at all. I don't know anything about cars really or quantum physics, and that doesn't make me a worse person and there's nothing personal when I criticize Stefanie's football IQ. But for a big paper like the UT, it shouldn't be so obvious that someone is clearly learning the sport of football on the job. You should already be an expert on the intricacies of the sport on day 1 and if you listen to her questions at press conferences or read the way she writes with a tone as if like she is giving revelatory information about basic college football knowledge you can tell she began her job with much less football background and knowledge than what I would want for someone covering a top 50 D1 program for the biggest paper in a top 20 media market. I agree with a lot of what you're saying here but you have to understand we were coming from a place where we would get afterthought type coverage. Stefanie gave us a nearly steady diet of Aztec football coverage. We loved it and she was intelligent enough to get by. She kinda filled a void for us & I'm thankful for her. ...and that's all I have to say about that.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2014 2:04:14 GMT -8
Stefanie Loh knows very little about the sport of football and that is extremely apparent in her writing. I am absolutely stunned how many people like her so much. I'm not criticizing her as a person at all. I don't know anything about cars really or quantum physics, and that doesn't make me a worse person and there's nothing personal when I criticize Stefanie's football IQ. But for a big paper like the UT, it shouldn't be so obvious that someone is clearly learning the sport of football on the job. You should already be an expert on the intricacies of the sport on day 1 and if you listen to her questions at press conferences or read the way she writes with a tone as if like she is giving revelatory information about basic college football knowledge you can tell she began her job with much less football background and knowledge than what I would want for someone covering a top 50 D1 program for the biggest paper in a top 20 media market. You're a racist, sexist, homophobe.
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Post by missiontrails on Jul 25, 2014 6:47:52 GMT -8
Stefanie Loh knows very little about the sport of football and that is extremely apparent in her writing. I am absolutely stunned how many people like her so much. I'm not criticizing her as a person at all. I don't know anything about cars really or quantum physics, and that doesn't make me a worse person and there's nothing personal when I criticize Stefanie's football IQ. But for a big paper like the UT, it shouldn't be so obvious that someone is clearly learning the sport of football on the job. You should already be an expert on the intricacies of the sport on day 1 and if you listen to her questions at press conferences or read the way she writes with a tone as if like she is giving revelatory information about basic college football knowledge you can tell she began her job with much less football background and knowledge than what I would want for someone covering a top 50 D1 program for the biggest paper in a top 20 media market. It's a frickin' newspaper, not a scientific trade magazine. It's not even a remotely good paper - maybe one step above fishwrap. What an absolute bulls**t analysis. Do you hold Acee and Leonard to the same high standards? Because I guarantee they didn't start out as "an expert on the intricacies of the sport" either, but since they're (likely) the same race and gender as you, they get a pass, right?
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Post by mnico213 on Jul 25, 2014 7:23:15 GMT -8
I heard Tod only got the job because he's Kawhi's brother.
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Post by rockshow on Jul 25, 2014 7:46:50 GMT -8
Stefanie Loh knows very little about the sport of football and that is extremely apparent in her writing. I am absolutely stunned how many people like her so much. I'm not criticizing her as a person at all. I don't know anything about cars really or quantum physics, and that doesn't make me a worse person and there's nothing personal when I criticize Stefanie's football IQ. But for a big paper like the UT, it shouldn't be so obvious that someone is clearly learning the sport of football on the job. You should already be an expert on the intricacies of the sport on day 1 and if you listen to her questions at press conferences or read the way she writes with a tone as if like she is giving revelatory information about basic college football knowledge you can tell she began her job with much less football background and knowledge than what I would want for someone covering a top 50 D1 program for the biggest paper in a top 20 media market. It's a frickin' newspaper, not a scientific trade magazine. It's not even a remotely good paper - maybe one step above fishwrap. What an absolute bulls**t analysis. Do you hold Acee and Leonard to the same high standards? Because I guarantee they didn't start out as "an expert on the intricacies of the sport" either, but since they're (likely) the same race and gender as you, they get a pass, right? Haha. Love how you don't mention Zeigler who is a basketball coach on the side. Also, Acee worked at the OC register and LA daily news before he came on for the Chargers beat. Read what I said, man. Just reread it. If you really think it's about race and gender, get a clue. The poster before you who is calling me a racist, sexist, homophobe is joking. How do I know? Because that person is my flesh and blood brother. It's hard sometimes not to use name calling but I'm going to show restraint here because I know that's what Sarah would want.
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Post by aztecfan1 on Jul 25, 2014 8:00:39 GMT -8
Stefanie Loh knows very little about the sport of football and that is extremely apparent in her writing. I am absolutely stunned how many people like her so much. I'm not criticizing her as a person at all. I don't know anything about cars really or quantum physics, and that doesn't make me a worse person and there's nothing personal when I criticize Stefanie's football IQ. But for a big paper like the UT, it shouldn't be so obvious that someone is clearly learning the sport of football on the job. You should already be an expert on the intricacies of the sport on day 1 and if you listen to her questions at press conferences or read the way she writes with a tone as if like she is giving revelatory information about basic college football knowledge you can tell she began her job with much less football background and knowledge than what I would want for someone covering a top 50 D1 program for the biggest paper in a top 20 media market. You're a racist, sexist, homophobe. I'd like to read some whys as to Stefanie's shortcomings. She's a beat writer writing for a general audience. What should she be writing? Are you saying she should write treatise on, say, the 3-3-5 defense aimed at the highly sophisticated football fan? There are very few of those. A beat writer is by definition going to write generally for a mass audience. You make no specific criticisms here. The best part of her coverage was that it was consistently THERE. In the old days, the UT didn't give a rip about Aztec football and there was precious little to read. Hence the attraction of things like AztecMesa for those who craved and still crave -- more. By the way, she cut her teeth writing about Penn State while in Pennsylvania. And, what do you mean by "revelatory"? Revelations about what?
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Post by rockshow on Jul 25, 2014 8:29:11 GMT -8
You're a racist, sexist, homophobe. I'd like to read some whys as to Stefanie's shortcomings. She's a beat writer writing for a general audience. What should she be writing? Are you saying she should write treatise on, say, the 3-3-5 defense aimed at the highly sophisticated football fan? There are very few of those. A beat writer is by definition going to write generally for a mass audience. You make no specific criticisms here. The best part of her coverage was that it was consistently THERE. In the old days, the UT didn't give a rip about Aztec football and there was precious little to read. Hence the attraction of things like AztecMesa for those who craved and still crave -- more. By the way, she cut her teeth writing about Penn State while in Pennsylvania. And, what do you mean by "revelatory"? Revelations about what? Sorry for holding people to a decently high journalistic standard. Blame the fact that I got a degree in JOURNALISM from SDSU. Ruben Meza would probably be the first to admit that when he started covering SDSU women's basketball for the Daily Aztec, he wasn't an expert on the sport. But he worked his way up, learned from Augustin at Rivals and puts out lots of content about SDSU. But even now, as good of a job as he does, I wouldn't want him as the UT writer because I still think for a full time gig at a paper with the circulation and prominence of the UT deserves someone who has more experience/knowledge. As an avid Aztecs fan, I watch all the football press conferences on YouTube. Some of the questions she asks makes you shake your head. Either from a "captain obvious" standpoint or a "misunderstanding of how football works" perspective. I wish I could remember the pieces that were the most obvious in terms of explaining things out in the article as if it was groundbreaking information that anyone who calls themselves a college football fan would have unremarkably known for years. I think they were about how the BCS works and yeah, like, even the terms she used to describe a 3-3-5 defense aren't natural. When her articles involve football analysis, I honestly can't finish reading them. So she either doesn't know much about football, or she writes it to an audience whom she assumes doesn't know the first thing about football. Either way I'm forced to retrieve Aztec football content elsewhere.
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Post by HighNTight on Jul 25, 2014 9:26:04 GMT -8
I'd like to read some whys as to Stefanie's shortcomings. She's a beat writer writing for a general audience. What should she be writing? Are you saying she should write treatise on, say, the 3-3-5 defense aimed at the highly sophisticated football fan? There are very few of those. A beat writer is by definition going to write generally for a mass audience. You make no specific criticisms here. The best part of her coverage was that it was consistently THERE. In the old days, the UT didn't give a rip about Aztec football and there was precious little to read. Hence the attraction of things like AztecMesa for those who craved and still crave -- more. By the way, she cut her teeth writing about Penn State while in Pennsylvania. And, what do you mean by "revelatory"? Revelations about what? Sorry for holding people to a decently high journalistic standard. Blame the fact that I got a degree in JOURNALISM from SDSU. Ruben Meza would probably be the first to admit that when he started covering SDSU women's basketball for the Daily Aztec, he wasn't an expert on the sport. But he worked his way up, learned from Augustin at Rivals and puts out lots of content about SDSU. But even now, as good of a job as he does, I wouldn't want him as the UT writer because I still think for a full time gig at a paper with the circulation and prominence of the UT deserves someone who has more experience/knowledge. As an avid Aztecs fan, I watch all the football press conferences on YouTube. Some of the questions she asks makes you shake your head. Either from a "captain obvious" standpoint or a "misunderstanding of how football works" perspective. I wish I could remember the pieces that were the most obvious in terms of explaining things out in the article as if it was groundbreaking information that anyone who calls themselves a college football fan would have unremarkably known for years. I think they were about how the BCS works and yeah, like, even the terms she used to describe a 3-3-5 defense aren't natural. When her articles involve football analysis, I honestly can't finish reading them. So she either doesn't know much about football, or she writes it to an audience whom she assumes doesn't know the first thing about football. Either way I'm forced to retrieve Aztec football content elsewhere. If Matthew Bain is an example of what kind of journalist SDSU is putting out there then I can see why you are confused. Bain's sophomoric writing is far and away below the level of Loh; yet we still welcome it because as others have said -- we are hungry for Aztecs news. U-T writers in general aren't outstanding ... we're not a top market and the salary is crap. Would you rather have Nick Canepa as the Aztecs beat writer? I took an opportunity on more than one occasion to participate with her noon football chat and found her to be first and foremost honest about the team & her access / ability to get the answers that are never forthcoming from Long and the staff. She gives an honest assessment of her perception of the program as someone who's not from San Diego. I suspect that she knows more about football than you know about journalism.
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Post by missiontrails on Jul 25, 2014 13:46:19 GMT -8
It's a frickin' newspaper, not a scientific trade magazine. It's not even a remotely good paper - maybe one step above fishwrap. What an absolute bulls**t analysis. Do you hold Acee and Leonard to the same high standards? Because I guarantee they didn't start out as "an expert on the intricacies of the sport" either, but since they're (likely) the same race and gender as you, they get a pass, right? Haha. Love how you don't mention Zeigler who is a basketball coach on the side. Also, Acee worked at the OC register and LA daily news before he came on for the Chargers beat. Read what I said, man. Just reread it. If you really think it's about race and gender, get a clue. The poster before you who is calling me a racist, sexist, homophobe is joking. How do I know? Because that person is my flesh and blood brother. It's hard sometimes not to use name calling but I'm going to show restraint here because I know that's what Sarah would want. Thanks for not calling me any names. My fragile psyche will stay intact for at least one more day. Perhaps I was out of line insinuating chauvinism on your part, but I do ask you to consider the audience she has been tasked to write for. Daily newspaper sports sections cater to the casual fan, not someone with a player's or coach's level of football knowledge. Listen to any press conference on most any subject, sports or otherwise, and a daily news rag reporter's questions are bound to make a lot of people cringe. A big reason why Ms. Loh has been appreciated so much by most Aztec football fans is because we've been somewhat jaded by the U-T's decade or so long apathy and/or unfettered hostility toward the program. (remember Brent S.?) During the season, Ms. Loh is known for cranking out many (in my view) interesting articles, and I appreciate that. I also think that plays at least some small part in generating more interest out of said casual fans, which is always a positive thing. Maybe most of the credit should go toward her editor for having a change of attitude about our school, but I like how she took the baton and ran with it.
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Post by standiego on Jul 25, 2014 14:07:00 GMT -8
As pointed out by others . What is important now during the pre- season and then going into the August practices is having articles in the UT , on line .... about the Aztec players , coaches , ..... to help create interest in the Aztecs . Some interesting news if there is any and also articles about the players . All helps in the marketing of the team . Does not have to be anything that could get an award but get as many articles in the UT as possible . Comments and articles about the coaching staff . Get comments from the guys who went to media day , then guys coming back or break down by position , there could be a lot to get out there to the general public .
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Post by tonatiuh on Jul 25, 2014 21:27:24 GMT -8
Stefanie Loh knows very little about the sport of football and that is extremely apparent in her writing. I am absolutely stunned how many people like her so much. I'm not criticizing her as a person at all. I don't know anything about cars really or quantum physics, and that doesn't make me a worse person and there's nothing personal when I criticize Stefanie's football IQ. But for a big paper like the UT, it shouldn't be so obvious that someone is clearly learning the sport of football on the job. You should already be an expert on the intricacies of the sport on day 1 and if you listen to her questions at press conferences or read the way she writes with a tone as if like she is giving revelatory information about basic college football knowledge you can tell she began her job with much less football background and knowledge than what I would want for someone covering a top 50 D1 program for the biggest paper in a top 20 media market. Since when have we been a Top 50 D1 football program? We are more like in the #55-68 range. A good writer should know, and understand that not everyone who reads your stuff is completely knowledgeable in the sport, and so you need to have more basic style and info in order for them to understand what you write. That is what Stefanie Loh did very well, and made her a popular writer.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2014 5:46:51 GMT -8
Rockshow needs to be banned immediately. He's the Donald Sterling of AztecMesa.
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Post by standiego on Jul 26, 2014 9:26:34 GMT -8
Would be nice to have the email of the sports director at the UT to ask for more articles about the football team . Does anyone have it ?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2014 9:49:18 GMT -8
As others have said, I enjoyed Loh because she obviously strove for objectivity. I sometimes get criticized here for being a crotchety old guy but in comparison to Nick Canepa, I'm young and mellow as hell. If the U-T actually cared about its readership, they would put that guy out to pasture yesterday. Here's hoping Leonard is neither whiny like Nick nor a blow-smoke-up-your-ass pansy.
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Post by rockshow on Jul 26, 2014 11:51:12 GMT -8
Nick Canepa sucks. I'll agree with anyone on that.
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Post by aztech on Jul 26, 2014 12:04:21 GMT -8
Stefanie Loh knows very little about the sport of football and that is extremely apparent in her writing. I am absolutely stunned how many people like her so much. I'm not criticizing her as a person at all. I don't know anything about cars really or quantum physics, and that doesn't make me a worse person and there's nothing personal when I criticize Stefanie's football IQ. But for a big paper like the UT, it shouldn't be so obvious that someone is clearly learning the sport of football on the job. You should already be an expert on the intricacies of the sport on day 1 and if you listen to her questions at press conferences or read the way she writes with a tone as if like she is giving revelatory information about basic college football knowledge you can tell she began her job with much less football background and knowledge than what I would want for someone covering a top 50 D1 program for the biggest paper in a top 20 media market. It's a frickin' newspaper, not a scientific trade magazine. It's not even a remotely good paper - maybe one step above fishwrap. What an absolute bulls**t analysis. Do you hold Acee and Leonard to the same high standards? Because I guarantee they didn't start out as "an expert on the intricacies of the sport" either, but since they're (likely) the same race and gender as you, they get a pass, right? From what I've read, newspapers have to be written for people as low as the 7th grade reading level. That goes to show how many illiterate people we have. That's why newspapers can't go in depth with their articles, it becomes too abstract. That's what separates newspapers from magazines.
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Post by Gundo on Jul 26, 2014 17:18:54 GMT -8
Stefanie Loh writes concisely and to the point. I see all you others talking in circles.
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Post by pdraztec on Jul 26, 2014 17:45:00 GMT -8
I like Loh for most of the reasons noted. Regarding newspapers nationally.......they are failing at an alarming rate everywhere for all the things we are aware of. The SD paper has a lot of company.
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