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Post by fisherville on Jan 5, 2015 17:43:42 GMT -8
What? Stretch 4? He got the ball in the high post, and they ran iso posts for him, how is that a stretch 4? He shot very few jump shots. You just said it yourself....HIGH post, aka away rom the basket. If you think all he did was take the ball to the cup off of low post entry stuff, I'm afraid your mistaken, Malcolm got buckets at the rim, but most were a result of offensive rebounds/run outs/with some low post stuff mixed in. He was the best big we've had in the open court in a long time, and could lead the break/finish the break. Not exactly "Center" behavior in my book. Maybe we just view the position differently, wen I think center I think of somebody like Mohammed Camara who never left the paint and just took up space down low. A stretch 4 is a big that shoots from perimeter, see ryan Anderson, dirk nowitzki, serge ibaka ect... that wasn't what Malcolm did
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Post by breaztec on Jan 7, 2015 22:57:32 GMT -8
@kconnolly89: SDSU head coach Steve Fisher in attendance for tonight's Mater Dei-St. John Bosco game. Gym is starting to fill up here at SJB. #ocvupdates
I'm sure he is there to see michael cage jr.
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Post by standiego on Jan 7, 2015 23:15:28 GMT -8
would be interested to hear how the game and players played .
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Post by bschmurda on Jan 8, 2015 0:09:02 GMT -8
would be interested to hear how the game and players played . MJ finished with 17 points and 11 rebounds. Vance Jackson had 9 points and 8 rebounds.
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Post by MarshallU on Jan 8, 2015 8:27:20 GMT -8
The traditional 2 guard, 2 forward, 1 center set up goes out the window when describing SDSU, especially on the offensive end of the court. The only way Malcolm Thomas could have been described as a center is in the context that he guarded the other teams tallest player, he was much more of a stretch 4 on offense. ^ doesn't know what a stretch 4 is.
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Post by gigglyforshrigley on Jan 8, 2015 8:49:06 GMT -8
The traditional 2 guard, 2 forward, 1 center set up goes out the window when describing SDSU, especially on the offensive end of the court. The only way Malcolm Thomas could have been described as a center is in the context that he guarded the other teams tallest player, he was much more of a stretch 4 on offense. ^ doesn't know what a stretch 4 is. People on this forum can really be douches when responding to stuff.. Ever consider the possibility that you might be wrong? I decided to look it up just to see what they actually list him as, and it is a F... not a C. www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/san-diego-state/2011.htmlHis body type and skillset was much more a PF than a C. I hate to go back and forth on something that doesn't matter much, but I can't stand it when people rudely dismiss what other people have to say
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Post by MarshallU on Jan 8, 2015 8:51:40 GMT -8
^ doesn't know what a stretch 4 is. People on this forum can really be douches when responding to stuff.. Ever consider the possibility that you might be wrong? I decided to look it up just to see what they actually list him as, and it is a 4... not a 5. www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/san-diego-state/2011.htmlHis body type and skillset was much more a PF than a C. I hate to go back and forth on something that doesn't matter much, but I can't stand it when people rudely dismiss what other people have to say ^ also doesn't know what a STRETCH 4 is. I'll help you... Power forwards (PF's) traditionally play close to the basket, using their size and strength to provide interior defense, posting-up (scoring close to the basket) and rebounding. A stretch four is a player that is of power forward size but has superior shooting skills (especially three-point jump shots). While using these skills on offense, the player retains the ability to defend the opposing power forward. Stretch fours are tactically employed in this way to "stretch" the opponent's defense. The ability to score a high-percentage of catch-and-shoot three-point shots from distance (the distinct feature of a stretch four[4]) causes defensive problems for the opposing team, as it pulls the opposing (and crucially, defending) power forward out of the low post area, opening up driving lanes for guards to exploit (these can be running lanes or passing lanes) and results in more post space and potentially scoring and rebounding opportunities for the center player.
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Post by gigglyforshrigley on Jan 8, 2015 8:57:47 GMT -8
People on this forum can really be douches when responding to stuff.. Ever consider the possibility that you might be wrong? I decided to look it up just to see what they actually list him as, and it is a 4... not a 5. www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/san-diego-state/2011.htmlHis body type and skillset was much more a PF than a C. I hate to go back and forth on something that doesn't matter much, but I can't stand it when people rudely dismiss what other people have to say ^ also doesn't know what a STRETCH 4 is. I'll help you... Power forwards (PF's) traditionally play close to the basket, using their size and strength to provide interior defense, posting-up (scoring close to the basket) and rebounding. A stretch four is a player that is of power forward size but has superior shooting skills (especially three-point jump shots). While using these skills on offense, the player retains the ability to defend the opposing power forward. Stretch fours are tactically employed in this way to "stretch" the opponent's defense. The ability to score a high-percentage of catch-and-shoot three-point shots from distance (the distinct feature of a stretch four[4]) causes defensive problems for the opposing team, as it pulls the opposing (and crucially, defending) power forward out of the low post area, opening up driving lanes for guards to exploit (these can be running lanes or passing lanes) and results in more post space and potentially scoring and rebounding opportunities for the center player. Thanks for educating me, that was really helpful. The original argument was if he was a 4 or a 5
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Post by MarshallU on Jan 8, 2015 9:01:37 GMT -8
^ also doesn't know what a STRETCH 4 is. I'll help you... Power forwards (PF's) traditionally play close to the basket, using their size and strength to provide interior defense, posting-up (scoring close to the basket) and rebounding. A stretch four is a player that is of power forward size but has superior shooting skills (especially three-point jump shots). While using these skills on offense, the player retains the ability to defend the opposing power forward. Stretch fours are tactically employed in this way to "stretch" the opponent's defense. The ability to score a high-percentage of catch-and-shoot three-point shots from distance (the distinct feature of a stretch four[4]) causes defensive problems for the opposing team, as it pulls the opposing (and crucially, defending) power forward out of the low post area, opening up driving lanes for guards to exploit (these can be running lanes or passing lanes) and results in more post space and potentially scoring and rebounding opportunities for the center player. Thanks for educating me, that was really helpful. The original argument was if he was a 4 or a 5 glad i could help.
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Post by standiego on Jan 8, 2015 9:05:41 GMT -8
M.Thomas was the guy , no matter what you want to call/label him that guarded the other team's tallest player and primarily played near the basket. So was he a 4/PF or 5?C ? The true center was Brian C , when he came off the bench . Every player plays their position differently depending on their skills , who they are playing beside them ( Thomas had White and Leonard) and role on the team, defense , offense and rebounds . Spencer on the intro for starters is called a forward . is he a 4 or 5 ? Sure seems to be playing a position that asks him to be central defender , guard the opposition 's biggest player , set screens , back to the basket , what do you want to call it . Chol replaces him , has the same duties but different skill levels . Aztecs will need in 2016 some one to play that position , no matter what you call it . Key is does Cage want that role or one similar to Billy White , and JJ today . I do not know , all I am trying to say that it is important to envision from him , his role and try to convince him he will play that role here at SDSU and he will have the players around him .
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Post by bschmurda on Jan 8, 2015 10:10:04 GMT -8
Not sure what you guys are arguing about, but at State Malcolm played as an undersized 5
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Post by Section T(urn Up) on Jan 9, 2015 20:29:27 GMT -8
Heard Jalen Rose say once that he thinks positions were only defined to allow lay fans to understand the game better. That couldn't be truer than it is at SDSU.
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Post by Gundo on Jan 10, 2015 1:05:45 GMT -8
Here's a huge fact and fear Zona graduates 3, but the real impact is 4 underclass big guys high in the NBA mock draft, Freshman Stanley Johnson 6'7 245, Rondae Hollis Jefferson 6'8 215 Soph., Brandon Ashely 6'8 230 and Kaleb Tarczewki 7'0 250, while Craig Victor 6'9 225 just transferred to LSU.
They will have as many as 8 scholarships in 2015, they have 4 commits but lose all they big guys. Ryan Anderson will step in from BC. But they will have a lot of PT and minutes for PF and Cs to come in and make an impact.
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Post by standiego on Jan 10, 2015 8:56:00 GMT -8
Very true and Arizona will have a track record of getting taller players to the NBA , who have performed well in college.
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Post by aztecdan8 on Jan 10, 2015 16:26:58 GMT -8
Here's a huge fact and fear Zona graduates 3, but the real impact is 4 underclass big guys high in the NBA mock draft, Freshman Stanley Johnson 6'7 245, Rondae Hollis Jefferson 6'8 215 Soph., Brandon Ashely 6'8 230 and Kaleb Tarczewki 7'0 250, while Craig Victor 6'9 225 just transferred to LSU. They will have as many as 8 scholarships in 2015, they have 4 commits but lose all they big guys. Ryan Anderson will step in from BC. But they will have a lot of PT and minutes for PF and Cs to come in and make an impact. Available minutes at UofA shouldn't be a huge factor in Cage's decision. If he's as good as advertised, he'll start and get huge minutes wherever he goes- which apparently about wherever he wants to.
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Post by rednblk on Mar 6, 2015 23:39:59 GMT -8
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Post by standiego on Mar 7, 2015 8:47:39 GMT -8
3 schools listed as "warm" Kentucky , SDSU , UCLA
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Post by AccessBowlTime on Mar 7, 2015 12:01:11 GMT -8
Didn't they recently pass a rule which says that everybody who starts for Calipari has to leave after one year?
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Post by fisherville on Mar 7, 2015 13:17:36 GMT -8
UK isn't recruiting him anymore and there is a decent shot AZ passes, Cage is still good obviously but not the star recruit some thought he would develop into
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Post by bearfoot on Mar 7, 2015 22:46:49 GMT -8
In case any of all you all care, M C Jr was at game tonight. (Aztecs v Nevada) He had a nice chat with the team, the coaches and some of the parents of our seniors. His sis was honored at half time.
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