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Post by uncledougy on Jan 21, 2013 9:52:14 GMT -8
You are right about the BW being better for every sport not named basketball, but nobody cares about them. Football was not better in the BE.....it could have been before the last round or two of defections, but not at the present time. The new Big East was an oasis, it would have been disasteous to find out there was no water. The BE is still, after all of the defections, significantly better than the MWC, I don't know how many more ways it has to be pointed out to you. I've provided numbers to back my position you've provided "feelings" to to back yours. I understand what you are saying, but the numbers aren't known yet. Without the numbers, it is hard to determine if the BE is better. What we do know is the numbers are no where near the original estimate, nor are the schools. |
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Post by k5james on Jan 21, 2013 9:54:13 GMT -8
The BE is still, after all of the defections, significantly better than the MWC, I don't know how many more ways it has to be pointed out to you. I've provided numbers to back my position you've provided "feelings" to to back yours. I understand what you are saying, but the numbers aren't known yet. Without the numbers, it is hard to determine if the BE is better. What we do know is the numbers are no where near the original estimate, nor are the schools. No, I'm talking football strength, market, recruiting, endowment , etc. The BE is superior to the MWaC in EVERY way. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2013 10:16:07 GMT -8
The "vote" was a negotiation tactic to make sure SDSU wasn't going to expect to get the Boise treatment. I believe SDSU was never in danger of returning and the "vote" was to eliminate any extra demands SDSU may have tried to get. For the most part I think that's true. However, UNM's AD Krebs had a couple press conferences at the relevant time during which he discussed additions to the MWC and never once mentioned SDSU returning. Maybe that was just a negotiations tactic but I doubt it. I think the guy really doesn't like SDSU and Jim Sterk and I suspect a few other ADs feel the same. |
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Post by Yoda on Jan 21, 2013 10:19:13 GMT -8
I think that the vote was technically required -- for both you and Boise -- as you had formally resigned from the Conference. The resignation wasn't effective but I believe that once you resign, it takes a vote to get you back in.
I don't think that the outcome was ever in doubt, however.
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Post by Yoda on Jan 21, 2013 10:26:41 GMT -8
No, I'm talking football strength, market, recruiting, endowment , etc. The BE is superior to the MWaC in EVERY way. And yet, Boise came back. San Diego State came back. And Tulsa is obviously hoping that an invite comes from the MWC before they have to respond to an invitation from the nBE. Boy are those schools and their admins stupid, eh? Yoda out... . |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2013 10:33:09 GMT -8
I've seen absolutely nothing to suggest that Tulsa is waiting to accept an offer from BE in the hopes they'll get a MWC offer.
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Post by monty on Jan 21, 2013 10:52:41 GMT -8
I've seen absolutely nothing to suggest that Tulsa is waiting to accept an offer from BE in the hopes they'll get a MWC offer. Tulsa is going where Houston and SMU are, same thing we should have done. |
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Post by myownwords on Jan 21, 2013 10:55:48 GMT -8
Then why did the MWC have to vote us back in? The "vote" was a negotiation tactic to make sure SDSU wasn't going to expect to get the Boise treatment. I believe SDSU was never in danger of returning and the "vote" was to eliminate any extra demands SDSU may have tried to get. Its like going to a car lot agreeing to buy a car, then find out its a lemon and saying the deal has changed, I don't want it. Did you buy the car? If you are correct about this, do you realize how this exacerbates the evaluation of this administration and paints a picture even more utterly (or udderly?) pathetic? |
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Post by k5james on Jan 21, 2013 11:47:29 GMT -8
No, I'm talking football strength, market, recruiting, endowment , etc. The BE is superior to the MWaC in EVERY way. And yet, Boise came back. San Diego State came back. And Tulsa is obviously hoping that an invite comes from the MWC before they have to respond to an invitation from the nBE. Boy are those schools and their admins stupid, eh? Yoda out... . Boise went back because the rest of you bent over for them. We came back because we have pusillanimous administrators. Lol at your Tulsa comment. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2013 13:44:22 GMT -8
I've seen absolutely nothing to suggest that Tulsa is waiting to accept an offer from BE in the hopes they'll get a MWC offer. Tulsa is going where Houston and SMU are, same thing we should have done. Whether we should have stayed with the BE or not, the fact remains that although there have been roomers Tulsa wanting to get out of CUSA yesterday and about the MWC wanting Tulsa, I've heard exactly zero roomers about Tulsa being more interested in joining the MWC than the BE. In fact, I can't even remember hearing that Tulsa was interested in the MWC at all, simply in getting out of CUSA. |
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Post by myownwords on Jan 21, 2013 14:11:45 GMT -8
We've highlighted what it means to self-exile back onto the road to irrelevance. Then to make it sting more, we sucked one of Boise's hind teats to get there. Good job Adminiclowns.
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Post by standiego on Jan 21, 2013 14:39:10 GMT -8
I was for the BE , but did they ever offer a West Division or even a BE for Football and basketball- something basketball could have used and a way to get other schools- did not hear that was ever on the table. Did they turn down the ESPN money that was offered , it was real and could have been used to keep BSU or get other west schools. Yes SDSU did need 75% of the schools to get back in, BSU had the leverage SDSU , did not. The thing I think Sterk should do is get on the committee for NCAA selection for basketball , so he stays in contact with other schools. Then the teams need to move forward win games and fans need to show they support SDSU , rather then find out who to blame. Show that we are serious , not just a flash in the pan, and other conferences may consider us, as winners not wine ers.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2013 17:53:46 GMT -8
We came back because we have pusillanimous administrators. lol. Nice work. And yes, no vision or guts. |
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Post by monty on Jan 21, 2013 18:00:58 GMT -8
Not sure it was so much about weak willed, but they know they have a bunch of suckers that support the program regardless, and they didn't want to risk the loss of t-shirts for basketball games.
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Post by jdaztec on Jan 21, 2013 18:14:39 GMT -8
We probably know about 10% of the real reasons why we went back to The MWC, personally I don't like the move but they may have information that made the move back the right thing to do.They also know that realignment is probably not over so are being very cautious about what they say to not jepordize future actions. In the buisness I am in every major decision is made in public and often cirtitcized by the press/public.There are times when I am not able to explain publicly why I have made the decisions I do.
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Post by k5james on Jan 21, 2013 18:17:08 GMT -8
We probably know about 10% of the real reasons why we went back to The MWC, personally I don't like the move but they may have information that made the move back the right thing to do.They also know that realignment is probably not over so are being very cautious about what they say to not jepordize future actions. In the buisness I am in every major decision is made in public and often cirtitcized by the press/public.There are times when I am not able to explain publicly why I have made the decisions I do. You definitely have to share it with shareholders though, which we are. |
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Post by myownwords on Jan 21, 2013 18:26:30 GMT -8
Think about the hype, the pomp and circumstance, when we bolted for the Big East. The grand Time Square billboard. The announcement with our two so-called,"leaders" holding hands, expounding in great detail how marvelous it was to be going to big time football. Now, they shove one lonely schmuck onto the stage who whispers a one-note samba, does a flaccid, vacuous interview with softball questions, repeats the pitiful scene on the radio with two sycophants, and then scuttles away.
Yes, the Big East has changed. But guess what, so has the MWC---and NOT for the better. So the ratio of good to bad, is STILL the same as it was this time last year... or worse.
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Post by myownwords on Jan 21, 2013 18:27:29 GMT -8
We probably know about 10% of the real reasons why we went back to The MWC, personally I don't like the move but they may have information that made the move back the right thing to do.They also know that realignment is probably not over so are being very cautious about what they say to not jepordize future actions. In the buisness I am in every major decision is made in public and often cirtitcized by the press/public.There are times when I am not able to explain publicly why I have made the decisions I do. You definitely have to share it with shareholders though, which we are. EXACTLY. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2013 18:37:17 GMT -8
repeats the pitiful scene on the radio with two sycophants. Missed the interview. what station and with who? |
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Post by myownwords on Jan 21, 2013 18:39:36 GMT -8
We probably know about 10% of the real reasons why we went back to The MWC, personally I don't like the move but they may have information that made the move back the right thing to do.They also know that realignment is probably not over so are being very cautious about what they say to not jepordize future actions. In the buisness I am in every major decision is made in public and often cirtitcized by the press/public.There are times when I am not able to explain publicly why I have made the decisions I do. By that I assume you feel that this calamity awaits us with yet another 90% of the disaster disclosure. Swell. Except SDSU is a public institution. They don't have the right to keep secrets. Now if one of the Adminiclowns is covering up some unsavory photos of themselves and is being blackmailed, maybe that's the 90%. Barring that fiasco, I'm not at all sold on ANYTHING good in that larger percentage. In fact, I'd guess that to the extent they've held back something, it's probably worse, not better. |
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