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Post by k5james on Jan 20, 2013 20:04:43 GMT -8
Staying in the MWC was the best decision....saying we moved back is erroneous. We never left the MWC. The Big East is more of a joke than the MW for football. Not to mention, basketball is competing for national respect. I am glad we aren't playing football with Tulane, ECU, Memphis and the Florida schools nobody cares about. Nothing needs to be said, except "show up for games if you want a big 5 conference invite"! Aztec fans have a champagne taste on a box of wine budget. If you want money for the school get 50k to show up Saturdays at $20 a pop, the school would generate $1 million each home game. Wrong, again.
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Post by uncledougy on Jan 20, 2013 20:21:41 GMT -8
Staying in the MWC was the best decision....saying we moved back is erroneous. We never left the MWC. The Big East is more of a joke than the MW for football. Not to mention, basketball is competing for national respect. I am glad we aren't playing football with Tulane, ECU, Memphis and the Florida schools nobody cares about. Nothing needs to be said, except "show up for games if you want a big 5 conference invite"! Aztec fans have a champagne taste on a box of wine budget. If you want money for the school get 50k to show up Saturdays at $20 a pop, the school would generate $1 million each home game. Wrong, again. Well said one liner....i have heard that before. You may want to change to tune.
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Post by k5james on Jan 20, 2013 20:36:35 GMT -8
Well said one liner....i have heard that before. You may want to change to tune. You've been singing the same tune as well, I just choose to save everybody time. I don't know how many different ways I can point out to you that the BE/BW move was better for every sport not named basketball.
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Post by Yoda on Jan 20, 2013 20:49:40 GMT -8
I don't know how many different ways I can point out to you that the BE/BW move was better for every sport not named basketball. In the short term. Maybe. Problem is, your admins are paid to think long term. And the nBE won't be here much longer. Yoda out... .
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Post by k5james on Jan 20, 2013 20:56:02 GMT -8
I don't know how many different ways I can point out to you that the BE/BW move was better for every sport not named basketball. In the short term. Maybe. Problem is, your admins are paid to think long term. And the nBE won't be here much longer. Yoda out... . Either will the MWaC.
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Post by myownwords on Jan 20, 2013 21:02:24 GMT -8
I don't know how many different ways I can point out to you that the BE/BW move was better for every sport not named basketball. In the short term. Maybe. Problem is, your admins are paid to think long term. And the nBE won't be here much longer. Yoda out... . The only reason that the MWC would outlast the Big East is because the MWC---except, hopefully, for one or two schools---has reached un-rechargeable, dead-battery status: Has no life, good for nothing and nobody wants it.
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Post by Yoda on Jan 20, 2013 21:13:10 GMT -8
In the short term. Maybe. Problem is, your admins are paid to think long term. And the nBE won't be here much longer. Yoda out... . Either will the MWaC. Oh well, then your admin's screwed up. They should have just joined the PAC. What the hell were they thinking? Point being, your admin had to make a choice as to which conference offered the best long term benefit. Not the best short term one. They would seem to disagree with you and they had the information needed to make a sound analysis and decision. You have your uninformed opinion -- however firmly held it may be. Yoda out... .
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Post by monty on Jan 20, 2013 22:19:29 GMT -8
Yea, c'mon, they made a decision that they can provide no facts in support of. They are in a position where they have to make that decision which naturally means that they must have made the right decision.
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Post by Yoda on Jan 20, 2013 22:47:34 GMT -8
Monty said: "Yea, c'mon, they made a decision that they can provide no facts in support of. They are in a position where they have to make that decision which naturally means that they must have made the right decision. resulted from negotiations that they have chosen not to make public. Not being privy to the negotiations or to the financial underpinnings of the decision, it is impossible to evaluate how good or bad the decision is."
Fixed it for you.
Yoda out...
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Post by Yoda on Jan 21, 2013 6:02:38 GMT -8
Interesting article, suggesting that Tulsa has no choice but to go to the nBE because everybody else in C-USA has. Quoting: "If other Conference USA presidents had followed Upham's lead, Conference USA would be perhaps the most stable, secure and unified league in college athletics. ..Instead, most of Conference USA will soon be known as the Big East. The only thing that changes is the name...Most of the same schools that Tulsa has developed relationships and rivalries with over the past eight years will remain the same. The only change is the branding. ...The Big East offers little or nothing more to prospective members than C-USA... When eventual financial details are worked out, the Big East may not mean much if any additional revenue for teams coming from Conference USA...That's what Boise State and San Diego State figured out. They backed out of deals to join the Big East to return to the Mountain West. ...With the defection of San Diego State and Boise State, the MWC is back up to 12 teams and will move forward as a unified league, perhaps stronger than ever...That should be the story for Conference USA, too...Instead, Tulsa and other C-USA schools may be joining a league, the Big East, that has lost 19 members in the past two years. Read more from this Tulsa World article at www.tulsaworld.com/sportsextra/article.aspx?subjectid=203&articleid=20130120_203_B1_TULSAP531788Just one writer's opinion, of course. But it may also represent the opinion of your administrators. Yoda out... .
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Post by myownwords on Jan 21, 2013 7:41:53 GMT -8
They did what they had to do. The Big East is self destructing. They may be able to regroup, but they may not. If the conference fell apart we may have found ourselves with two options - go independent in football or fold the program. Staying in the Big East would have been a huge risk with less and less to gain by the month. Big risk, smaller reward as time went on. No one's saying that we're stuck in the MWC forever. We may be, or we may get an invite elsewhere in the next 3 or 4 years. We just need to keep moving forward and build up our programs as much as we can. Sorry, they dropped on the school a hot mess, a squishy decision which displayed the leadership required of an assistant night manager at a 7-Eleven. And where did you read that we are NOT stuck in the MediocreWC forever? Based on these clowns, I see no other options that they will be able to navigate. Not these two. Embarrassingly, they've even admitted that without Boise they wouldn't have been able to crawl back.
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Post by uncledougy on Jan 21, 2013 8:11:59 GMT -8
Well said one liner....i have heard that before. You may want to change to tune. You've been singing the same tune as well, I just choose to save everybody time. I don't know how many different ways I can point out to you that the BE/BW move was better for every sport not named basketball. You are right about the BW being better for every sport not named basketball, but nobody cares about them. Football was not better in the BE.....it could have been before the last round or two of defections, but not at the present time. The new Big East was an oasis, it would have been disasteous to find out there was no water.
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Post by myownwords on Jan 21, 2013 8:29:26 GMT -8
Oh well, then your admin's screwed up. They should have just joined the PAC. What the hell were they thinking? Point being, your admin had to make a choice as to which conference offered the best long term benefit. Not the best short term one. They would seem to disagree with you and they had the information needed to make a sound analysis and decision. You have your uninformed opinion -- however firmly held it may be. Yoda out... . Did you mean that Sterk and Hirshman screwed up? Or that THEY are screwed up? Yes to both. By the way, glancing at Hirshman's bio on the SDSU website, all of his palaver and bragadocio is about academics and psycho-babble. Athletics is mentioned, almost as an afterthought, at the end of one sentence. Football, not at all. So I'm not sure where some of us got the notion that he is a big supporter of sports. My mistake.
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Post by Yoda on Jan 21, 2013 8:45:18 GMT -8
Oh well, then your admin's screwed up. They should have just joined the PAC. What the hell were they thinking? Yoda out... . Did you mean that Sterk and Hirshman screwed up? Or that THEY are screwed up? Neither. I was being facetious. I just meant that it was a tougher call than it would have been if the PAC had invited you. Yoda out... .
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Post by MarshallU on Jan 21, 2013 8:49:08 GMT -8
What do you want them to say? We apologize to AztecMesa because we didn't go the route the dozens of you holiday inn express AD's wanted? Holiday Inn Express AD's!!!!!!!! LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by myownwords on Jan 21, 2013 8:50:59 GMT -8
What do you want them to say? We apologize to AztecMesa because we didn't go the route the dozens of you holiday inn express AD's wanted? Apparently, that is how we got the one we now have.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2013 9:02:09 GMT -8
Interesting article, suggesting that Tulsa has no choice but to go to the nBE because everybody else in C-USA has. Quoting: "If other Conference USA presidents had followed Upham's lead, Conference USA would be perhaps the most stable, secure and unified league in college athletics. ..Instead, most of Conference USA will soon be known as the Big East. The only thing that changes is the name...Most of the same schools that Tulsa has developed relationships and rivalries with over the past eight years will remain the same. The only change is the branding. ...The Big East offers little or nothing more to prospective members than C-USA... When eventual financial details are worked out, the Big East may not mean much if any additional revenue for teams coming from Conference USA...That's what Boise State and San Diego State figured out. They backed out of deals to join the Big East to return to the Mountain West. ...With the defection of San Diego State and Boise State, the MWC is back up to 12 teams and will move forward as a unified league, perhaps stronger than ever...That should be the story for Conference USA, too...Instead, Tulsa and other C-USA schools may be joining a league, the Big East, that has lost 19 members in the past two years. Read more from this Tulsa World article at www.tulsaworld.com/sportsextra/article.aspx?subjectid=203&articleid=20130120_203_B1_TULSAP531788Just one writer's opinion, of course. But it may also represent the opinion of your administrators. Y? You obviously haven't read much by that guy Klein. His stuff has been frequently linked to the BE board and he's and anti-Schrotenboer. Klein never misses a chance to kiss his hometown university's ass. The guy talks as if other conferences were just beating down Tulsa's door to get them to join. What an effing joke that is.
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Post by monty on Jan 21, 2013 9:14:07 GMT -8
Monty said: "Yea, c'mon, they made a decision that they can provide no facts in support of. They are in a position where they have to make that decision which naturally means that they must have made the right decision. resulted from negotiations that they have chosen not to make public. Not being privy to the negotiations or to the financial underpinnings of the decision, it is impossible to evaluate how good or bad the decision is." Fixed it for you. Yoda out... . I'm a stake holder, they don't provide information, they get no more investment, it's as simple as that
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Post by k5james on Jan 21, 2013 9:44:12 GMT -8
You've been singing the same tune as well, I just choose to save everybody time. I don't know how many different ways I can point out to you that the BE/BW move was better for every sport not named basketball. You are right about the BW being better for every sport not named basketball, but nobody cares about them. Football was not better in the BE.....it could have been before the last round or two of defections, but not at the present time. The new Big East was an oasis, it would have been disasteous to find out there was no water. The BE is still, after all of the defections, significantly better than the MWC, I don't know how many more ways it has to be pointed out to you. I've provided numbers to back my position you've provided "feelings" to to back yours.
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Post by uncledougy on Jan 21, 2013 9:49:06 GMT -8
Staying in the MWC was the best decision....saying we moved back is erroneous. We never left the MWC. The Big East is more of a joke than the MW for football. Not to mention, basketball is competing for national respect. I am glad we aren't playing football with Tulane, ECU, Memphis and the Florida schools nobody cares about. Nothing needs to be said, except "show up for games if you want a big 5 conference invite"! Aztec fans have a champagne taste on a box of wine budget. If you want money for the school get 50k to show up Saturdays at $20 a pop, the school would generate $1 million each home game. Then why did the MWC have to vote us back in? The "vote" was a negotiation tactic to make sure SDSU wasn't going to expect to get the Boise treatment. I believe SDSU was never in danger of returning and the "vote" was to eliminate any extra demands SDSU may have tried to get. Its like going to a car lot agreeing to buy a car, then find out its a lemon and saying the deal has changed, I don't want it. Did you buy the car?
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