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Post by cpslograd on Jan 7, 2013 17:13:52 GMT -8
No there is 0 chance Houston/SMU turns down a all sports invitation from the superior big east to play in the MWC. Far from 0, and if BYU joins MWC (a long shot), much closer to 100[/quote][/b] Actually that's wrong too. It is possible BYU could join if the MWC lets BYU keep their ESPN deal, but that wouldn't do anything to cause Houston to join. It's like a tax system. If you exclude the richest members (BYU and BSU) but pay everyone else equally, who is getting phucked? It's not the schools with the least value. It's the schools in the middle, especially the upper middle.
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Post by 78aztec82 on Jan 7, 2013 17:15:38 GMT -8
My reading of the term sheet is that pursuant to Section 3 the MWC will retain exclusive TV broadcast rights to all BSU games, however, the BSU home games will be packaged seperate from the league wide contract with CBS. The rights can then be sold to a provider that is mutually agreed upon between the MWC and BSU. (ie ESPN, NBC) THE INFERENCE HERE IS THAT THE REST OF THE LEAGUE'S HOME GAMES ARE SUBJECT TO THE MWC/CBS CONTRACT. Second, it is not clear how the MWC plans to pay for the bonus structure. Suppose BSU and CSU play in a nationally televised Saturday game. They would both qualify for $500k bonus or $1million total. The term sheet calls for the BSU broadcast rights to be sold and split evenly amoungst all members. There is no mention of withholding any money out to pay the bonus. Or what if the game will not sell for $1million? In addition, as BSU has pointed out, the Term sheet simply states that a member is eligible for a bonus if they appear on a nationally televised reg. season contest, with no language limiting the bonus structure to a home contest or a contest with in the MWC's control. This could subject the MWC to pay millions of dollars a year with out any reimbursement. At the worst, this Term Sheet could bankrupt the MWC, at the best it will cause inequal distrubution and most likely potential conflict. Good read. Keep in mind also the caveats, proviso, exceptions... It isn't that all Nationally broadcast games would receive the bonus, just those on over the air networks and ESPN. Based upon previous years where we were mostly on NBC Sports and CBS CS, none of those games qualify for the bonus. I think it will be a heck of a lot more limited than the promise.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2013 19:08:51 GMT -8
HOWEVER, even if we do, this isn't going to be over unless Hair can get a huge increase in the MWC's exit fee. Something like the $20M+ that Yoda said in one of his numerous psots that he now can't see to recall. Hey, I'm old. Cut me some slack. If it wasn't for bad memory I wouldn't have any memory at all. Y. Just don't advocate an increase in the exit fee again unless you think your school is going to have nowhere else to go.
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Post by hoobs on Jan 7, 2013 19:13:28 GMT -8
My reading of the term sheet is that pursuant to Section 3 the MWC will retain exclusive TV broadcast rights to all BSU games, however, the BSU home games will be packaged seperate from the league wide contract with CBS. The rights can then be sold to a provider that is mutually agreed upon between the MWC and BSU. (ie ESPN, NBC) THE INFERENCE HERE IS THAT THE REST OF THE LEAGUE'S HOME GAMES ARE SUBJECT TO THE MWC/CBS CONTRACT. This issue of what broadcasting entity controls the braodcast rights is extremely important when analyzing Section 4(a) of the term sheet. Under Section 4(a) of the term sheet, a conference member is eligble for a bonus if they participate. in a nationally televised regular season broadcast appearing on ESPN, ABC, NBC etc. It is clear that this bonus applies to all MWC members that meet the prescribed conditions. While it is clear that all MWC members will eligible for the bonus provisions offered to BSU, what isn't clear is how much opportunity each school will have to collect on the bonus and how the MWC will pay for it. Since CBS controls the broadcast rights to all games played in the MWC, except for those of BSU, they other members will only have a chance to get the bonus if CBS elects to not televise the game and then another entity decides to televise it. This is unlikely. If the game had any national merit or interest CBS would have elected to televised it. Therefore, it appears that the only opportunity that the rest of the league will get to participate in the bonus is when the play at BSU, in a game exempt from the MWC/CBS contract. Second, it is not clear how the MWC plans to pay for the bonus structure. Suppose BSU and CSU play in a nationally televised Saturday game. They would both qualify for $500k bonus or $1million total. The term sheet calls for the BSU broadcast rights to be sold and split evenly amoungst all members. There is no mention of withholding any money out to pay the bonus. Or what if the game will not sell for $1million? In addition, as BSU has pointed out, the Term sheet simply states that a member is eligible for a bonus if they appear on a nationally televised reg. season contest, with no language limiting the bonus structure to a home contest or a contest with in the MWC's control. This could subject the MWC to pay millions of dollars a year with out any reimbursement. At the worst, this Term Sheet could bankrupt the MWC, at the best it will cause inequal distrubution and most likely potential conflict. QFT. Those in favor of moving back to the MWC... please dispute these points or otherwise refute. If you cannot, then there is ZERO reason to go back to the MWC.
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Post by aardvark on Jan 7, 2013 19:41:47 GMT -8
Damned if you do,Damned if you don't. Fish or cut bait. Sink or swim. Never up, never in. Until there are some real solid $ figures how do we decide? If we don't decide how does anyone come up with some real $ figures? I think I will go to Arizona quail hunting for a week leaving my cell phone at home and promising not to turn the radio on. Enough is a enough. As an Aztec fan, you should hunt quail with a spear. Fear the spear!
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Post by sdsu1975 on Jan 7, 2013 19:48:36 GMT -8
I am praying that we end up in the Big East. I am so tired of the mountain schools.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2013 19:53:01 GMT -8
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Post by cpslograd on Jan 7, 2013 19:55:00 GMT -8
That is interesting. SGF, you seem to think this source is credible? I guess I was wrong about BYU joining not enticing Houston. The "concern" about the MWC being able to pay the bonus is alarming because it makes some sense. It only seems viable if it is very limited (in other words, primarily BSU's ESPN contract), if it is expansive, the money won't be there.
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Post by Boise Aztec on Jan 7, 2013 19:55:03 GMT -8
My reading of the term sheet is that pursuant to Section 3 the MWC will retain exclusive TV broadcast rights to all BSU games, however, the BSU home games will be packaged seperate from the league wide contract with CBS. The rights can then be sold to a provider that is mutually agreed upon between the MWC and BSU. (ie ESPN, NBC) THE INFERENCE HERE IS THAT THE REST OF THE LEAGUE'S current team'sHOME GAMES ARE SUBJECT TO THE MWC/CBS CONTRACT.I think this is more accurate as any other new team, which SDSU would be, could be sold to another party or as a package with BSU's games. It would also allow for BYU to bring their contract into the conference and get paid about what they are now for TV and take advantage of the credits and Playoff money, etc. I still vote no on going back!
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Post by junior on Jan 7, 2013 20:07:23 GMT -8
Without controlling "The Mtn", just where is MWC planning on getting this buttload of money it's pretending to spread around? Did they get a piece of the trillion dollar coin?
This is the MWC for fscks sake! Financially,what's changed?
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Post by aztecpaulg on Jan 7, 2013 20:11:21 GMT -8
My reading of the term sheet is that pursuant to Section 3 the MWC will retain exclusive TV broadcast rights to all BSU games, however, the BSU home games will be packaged seperate from the league wide contract with CBS. The rights can then be sold to a provider that is mutually agreed upon between the MWC and BSU. (ie ESPN, NBC) THE INFERENCE HERE IS THAT THE REST OF THE LEAGUE'S HOME GAMES ARE SUBJECT TO THE MWC/CBS CONTRACT. This issue of what broadcasting entity controls the braodcast rights is extremely important when analyzing Section 4(a) of the term sheet. Under Section 4(a) of the term sheet, a conference member is eligble for a bonus if they participate. in a nationally televised regular season broadcast appearing on ESPN, ABC, NBC etc. It is clear that this bonus applies to all MWC members that meet the prescribed conditions. While it is clear that all MWC members will eligible for the bonus provisions offered to BSU, what isn't clear is how much opportunity each school will have to collect on the bonus and how the MWC will pay for it. Since CBS controls the broadcast rights to all games played in the MWC, except for those of BSU, they other members will only have a chance to get the bonus if CBS elects to not televise the game and then another entity decides to televise it. This is unlikely. If the game had any national merit or interest CBS would have elected to televised it. Therefore, it appears that the only opportunity that the rest of the league will get to participate in the bonus is when the play at BSU, in a game exempt from the MWC/CBS contract. Second, it is not clear how the MWC plans to pay for the bonus structure. Suppose BSU and CSU play in a nationally televised Saturday game. They would both qualify for $500k bonus or $1million total. The term sheet calls for the BSU broadcast rights to be sold and split evenly amoungst all members. There is no mention of withholding any money out to pay the bonus. Or what if the game will not sell for $1million? In addition, as BSU has pointed out, the Term sheet simply states that a member is eligible for a bonus if they appear on a nationally televised reg. season contest, with no language limiting the bonus structure to a home contest or a contest with in the MWC's control. This could subject the MWC to pay millions of dollars a year with out any reimbursement. At the worst, this Term Sheet could bankrupt the MWC, at the best it will cause inequal distrubution and most likely potential conflict. QFT. Those in favor of moving back to the MWC... please dispute these points or otherwise refute. If you cannot, then there is ZERO reason to go back to the MWC. Another point to answer would be this: According to BSU beat writer, if the current MWC were in place since 2006, Boise would have gotten between 8 - 10 million dollars in bonus money. That's only 1.25 - 1.75 million a year on top of the 1 mil the MWC pays. If Boise is only getting 2 - 3 million per year from television, how much should State expect?
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Post by monty on Jan 7, 2013 20:33:19 GMT -8
that was reported elsewhere before he 'reported' it - I also think it's absolute nonsense that SMU just turned it down out of hand AND Houston is still negotiating. one or the other
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Post by david110 on Jan 7, 2013 20:52:59 GMT -8
On to the Big East
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Post by Cwag on Jan 7, 2013 22:07:58 GMT -8
Stay in the MWC = tiny nads Go to the BE = Big Balls So...what will it be, tiny nads or big balls?
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on Jan 7, 2013 22:10:07 GMT -8
HOWEVER, even if we do, this isn't going to be over unless Hair can get a huge increase in the MWC's exit fee. Something like the $20M+ that Yoda said in one of his numerous psots that he now can't see to recall. Hey, I'm old. Cut me some slack. If it wasn't for bad memory I wouldn't have any memory at all. Yoda out... . "When 900 years old you reach, look as good you will not ehh." >> Yoda
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Post by rick7g on Jan 7, 2013 22:31:50 GMT -8
My reading of the term sheet is that pursuant to Section 3 the MWC will retain exclusive TV broadcast rights to all BSU games, however, the BSU home games will be packaged seperate from the league wide contract with CBS. The rights can then be sold to a provider that is mutually agreed upon between the MWC and BSU. (ie ESPN, NBC) THE INFERENCE HERE IS THAT THE REST OF THE LEAGUE'S HOME GAMES ARE SUBJECT TO THE MWC/CBS CONTRACT. This issue of what broadcasting entity controls the braodcast rights is extremely important when analyzing Section 4(a) of the term sheet. Under Section 4(a) of the term sheet, a conference member is eligble for a bonus if they participate. in a nationally televised regular season broadcast appearing on ESPN, ABC, NBC etc. It is clear that this bonus applies to all MWC members that meet the prescribed conditions. While it is clear that all MWC members will eligible for the bonus provisions offered to BSU, what isn't clear is how much opportunity each school will have to collect on the bonus and how the MWC will pay for it. Since CBS controls the broadcast rights to all games played in the MWC, except for those of BSU, they other members will only have a chance to get the bonus if CBS elects to not televise the game and then another entity decides to televise it. This is unlikely. If the game had any national merit or interest CBS would have elected to televised it. Therefore, it appears that the only opportunity that the rest of the league will get to participate in the bonus is when the play at BSU, in a game exempt from the MWC/CBS contract. CORRECT, BUT WITHOUT BSU THERE WOULD BE NO OPPORTUNITY TO GET ANY OF THAT MONEY ANYWAY, SO NO LOSS TO LEAGUE Second, it is not clear how the MWC plans to pay for the bonus structure. Suppose BSU and CSU play in a nationally televised Saturday game. They would both qualify for $500k bonus or $1million total. The term sheet calls for the BSU broadcast rights to be sold and split evenly amoungst all members. There is no mention of withholding any money out to pay the bonus. Or what if the game will not sell for $1million? In addition, as BSU has pointed out, the Term sheet simply states that a member is eligible for a bonus if they appear on a nationally televised reg. season contest, with no language limiting the bonus structure to a home contest or a contest with in the MWC's control. This could subject the MWC to pay millions of dollars a year with out any reimbursement. MWC KNOWS HOW MUCH THESE GAMES WOULD SELL FOR AND KNOWS IT WILL MAKE SOME MONEY ON THEM EVEN AFTER THE BONUSES. IF NOT, MWC WILL NOT SIGN CONTRACT WITH NETWORK (BOTH MWC AND BSU MUST AGREE TO CONTRACT) OR THERE WILL BE A RENEGOTIATION WITH BSU FOR A LOWER BONUS I GUARANTEE THAT BSU IS NOT GOING TO GET PAID A BONUS FEE FOR A ROAD GAME FOR WHICH THE MWC DOES NOT RECEIVE PAYMENT At the worst, this Term Sheet could bankrupt the MWC, at the best it will cause inequal distrubution and most likely potential conflict. QFT. Those in favor of moving back to the MWC... please dispute these points or otherwise refute. If you cannot, then there is ZERO reason to go back to the MWC.
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Post by rick7g on Jan 7, 2013 22:35:15 GMT -8
No there is 0 chance Houston/SMU turns down a all sports invitation from the superior big east to play in the MWC. Far from 0, and if BYU joins MWC (a long shot), much closer to 100[/b] Actually that's wrong too. It is possible BYU could join if the MWC lets BYU keep their ESPN deal, but that wouldn't do anything to cause Houston to join. It's like a tax system. If you exclude the richest members (BYU and BSU) but pay everyone else equally, who is getting phucked? It's not the schools with the least value. It's the schools in the middle, especially the upper middle.[/quote] That's not what I am reading. csnbbs.com/showthread.php?tid=611219&page=16"I was told this morning: * At the meeting Jan. 11, the Big East will give UH and SDSU an ultimatum to commit to the Big East or the MWC; * SMU already confirmed its commitment to the Big East no matter what UH does. SMU told UH it will not reconsider; * BYU and UH want a walk away with no exit fee and no notice requirement if they leaves to one of the Power 5 conferences; * UH told the MWC it needs to see a signed agreement with BYU on essential terms prior to Jan. 11. UH will join the MWC if the conference can reach an agreement on essential terms with BYU by the Jan. 11 deadline;
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Post by AZTEC4LIFE1992 on Jan 7, 2013 23:05:43 GMT -8
You make a lot of bold statements and assumptions. 1). How do you know that the mwc knows how much the BSU home games would sell for? Situations change with time and with them so does the $ value of a contract. The B.E. knew that they would get over $160 mill per season for their tv rights so they rejected ESPN's offer, how did that work out? Besides, your asking us to believe that the brain trust that signed the current below market contract knows what they are doing? If they knew what they were doing They bonus provision would have contained a percentage of the net tv payout and not specific dollar figures. This would have ensured that the conference would not lose $.
Further, if the bonus money was completely covered by the extra tv money why is it being reported that BYU is objecting to the use of NCAA credits to pay for the bonus?
2). How can you say that BSU or any other MWC member will not get bonus money for a nationally televised road game? The plain language of the agreement states otherwise. BSU will not give up this clause with out some sort of consideration, likely coming out of the other MWC members.
The MWC appears to be sitting at the craps table broke and desperate. They have now bet their house on this next role of the dice. We need to walk away.
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