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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2013 21:40:06 GMT -8
The poll doesn't allow for the changing of votes. If it did, I'd be inclined to change mine to stay in the BE/BW.
I now understand the MWC TV deal will be bad for SDSU. That's the main thing. The other thing is it now appears that all the hubbub about BYU and Houston joining too was nothing but speculation.
There's no way BYU will return unless it gets a sweetheart deal like Boise is getting. And if that occurs and SDSU doesn't get the same, would anybody but the most uninterested football fan actually think we should return to the MWC anyway?
It scared the crap out of me to bail from a lousy marriage after eight years. However, my life has been infinitely better since I did. SDSU has gone a long way toward bailing on a bad marriage and it concerns me that without Boise coming along, things might get rough for us. So be it. Unless the MWC is willing to give us the same deal Boise got, I say we take our chances.
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Post by Fisher Fanatic on Jan 4, 2013 22:07:36 GMT -8
I got MWC in a landside. I was excited about Boise and SDSU playing in the Big East, getting a nice deal, and playing on national television, ect. That doesn't seem like it is going to happen. The Big East seems like the national joke and continues to erode. I like the local rivalries (I want to play UNLV and BYU in every sport, every year).
I vote for decent to average football league with strong basketball vs decent to average football and no basketball, but strong other sports. The big east isn't the dream we thought. It isn't bad, but lets win in football in the MWC like Utah and TCU, then see what happens.
Both options aren't ideal, but lets just see what happens in the MWC. They are trying to get better. The big east is just going downhill.
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Post by azman on Jan 4, 2013 22:31:44 GMT -8
I got MWC in a landside. I was excited about Boise and SDSU playing in the Big East, getting a nice deal, and playing on national television, ect. That doesn't seem like it is going to happen. The Big East seems like the national joke and continues to erode. I like the local rivalries (I want to play UNLV and BYU in every sport, every year). I vote for decent to average football league with strong basketball vs decent to average football and no basketball, but strong other sports. The big east isn't the dream we thought. It isn't bad, but lets win in football in the MWC like Utah and TCU, then see what happens. Both options aren't ideal, but lets just see what happens in the MWC. They are trying to get better. The big east is just going downhill. This is exactly right. I don't understand why anyone would think we are better off in the BE/BW. After all the BE defections, it's no better than the MWC. Probably worse in fact. And the BW is a joke for basketball. The TV money is probably not even there anymore after all the hits the BE has taken. And no, we don't have any better shot at getting in the Pac/Big 12 from the BE than we do the MWC. The chances are slim in either league. We need to stay with the MWC, it's better for football AND basketball!
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Post by k5james on Jan 4, 2013 22:39:21 GMT -8
I got MWC in a landside. I was excited about Boise and SDSU playing in the Big East, getting a nice deal, and playing on national television, ect. That doesn't seem like it is going to happen. The Big East seems like the national joke and continues to erode. I like the local rivalries (I want to play UNLV and BYU in every sport, every year). I vote for decent to average football league with strong basketball vs decent to average football and no basketball, but strong other sports. The big east isn't the dream we thought. It isn't bad, but lets win in football in the MWC like Utah and TCU, then see what happens. Both options aren't ideal, but lets just see what happens in the MWC. They are trying to get better. The big east is just going downhill. This is exactly right. I don't understand why anyone would think we are better off in the BE/BW. After all the BE defections, it's no better than the MWC. Probably worse in fact. And the BW is a joke for basketball. The TV money is probably not even there anymore after all the hits the BE has taken. And no, we don't have any better shot at getting in the Pac/Big 12 from the BE than we do the MWC. The chances are slim in either league. We need to stay with the MWC, it's better for football AND basketball! No, even with all of the defections the MWC is not better. By just about any metric you want to use the BE is better. That's not even the point though. Read the terms of the MWC's new TV deal. It puts a glass ceiling on anyone not named Boise and will do more damage to our programs than anything that could happen in the BE/BW.
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Post by cpslograd on Jan 4, 2013 22:47:25 GMT -8
The tv deal is mindbogglingly bad, I Just can't believe they agreed to it. It isn't sustainable.
There are three people in the room negotiating the TV deals that determine each schools revenue, Thomson, the ESPN rep, and Kustra. Boise has to approve the sale of any of their games, how is a conference supposed to function by that set of rules.
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Post by azman on Jan 4, 2013 23:13:00 GMT -8
This is exactly right. I don't understand why anyone would think we are better off in the BE/BW. After all the BE defections, it's no better than the MWC. Probably worse in fact. And the BW is a joke for basketball. The TV money is probably not even there anymore after all the hits the BE has taken. And no, we don't have any better shot at getting in the Pac/Big 12 from the BE than we do the MWC. The chances are slim in either league. We need to stay with the MWC, it's better for football AND basketball! No, even with all of the defections the MWC is not better. By just about any metric you want to use the BE is better. That's not even the point though. Read the terms of the MWC's new TV deal. It puts a glass ceiling on anyone not named Boise and will do more damage to our programs than anything that could happen in the BE/BW. The BE is certainly NOT better once Louisville and Rutgers leave. And the TV deal money just keeps dwindling and dwindling.... Actually, it doesn't even exist yet.
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Post by k5james on Jan 4, 2013 23:21:12 GMT -8
No, even with all of the defections the MWC is not better. By just about any metric you want to use the BE is better. That's not even the point though. Read the terms of the MWC's new TV deal. It puts a glass ceiling on anyone not named Boise and will do more damage to our programs than anything that could happen in the BE/BW. The BE is certainly NOT better once Louisville and Rutgers leave. And the TV deal money just keeps dwindling and dwindling.... Actually, it doesn't even exist yet. Yes it still is better, even MWC bloggers admit as such... www.mwcconnection.com/2012/12/31/3803268/big-east-vs-mountain-west-by-the-numbersJust because the BE doesn't have a TV deal right this instant doesn't mean they aren't working on one or will never have one.
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Post by azman on Jan 5, 2013 8:57:41 GMT -8
The BE is certainly NOT better once Louisville and Rutgers leave. And the TV deal money just keeps dwindling and dwindling.... Actually, it doesn't even exist yet. Yes it still is better, even MWC bloggers admit as such... www.mwcconnection.com/2012/12/31/3803268/big-east-vs-mountain-west-by-the-numbersJust because the BE doesn't have a TV deal right this instant doesn't mean they aren't working on one or will never have one. Remove Cincy and Uconn (likely to happen) and it's not even close. MWC is better. In fact, if you look at just the 2012 numbers, the top of both leagues favor MWC already.
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Post by monty on Jan 5, 2013 9:14:32 GMT -8
Remove Cincy and Uconn (likely to happen) and it's not even close. MWC is better. In fact, if you look at just the 2012 numbers, the top of both leagues favor MWC already. yea, if you pretend like Utah State and San Jose State didn't lose their coaches, then the tops are identical - whopee
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Post by azman on Jan 5, 2013 10:20:01 GMT -8
Remove Cincy and Uconn (likely to happen) and it's not even close. MWC is better. In fact, if you look at just the 2012 numbers, the top of both leagues favor MWC already. yea, if you pretend like Utah State and San Jose State didn't lose their coaches, then the tops are identical - whopee Good coaches will come and go every year in both leagues. So what??
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Post by walkonfan on Jan 5, 2013 10:36:35 GMT -8
;D Unkowns: - TV deal For BE? What would SDSU's share be? -Will MW offer SDSU a deal it can live with?
Likely to happen: -Other Football teams in BE are likely to leave in next few years but be replaced by others. -As history shows teams that enter the BE increase exposure, performance, competition, and become attractive to the other conferences.
SMU and Houston will join the BE in 2013. Navy likely to join later. UNLV if they build there football stadium is a possibilty.
Facts: -AZTECS were ready to move to BE with Football and with Basketball and Other sports in BW; -AZTECS know what their share of MW TV $ would be. -AZTECS need to keep improving in competition and performance. -AZTEC football proved it's football team is on par with Boise. -AZTEC's football won the MW conference Championship in 2012. -AZTEC football has nothing left to prove in the MW; -In the end MW will not be one of the anticipated super conferences. -Recruiting football players to play a BE schedule is more attractive than a MW.
What SDSU Strategy Should Be: 1. Determine whether MW will invite SDSu to return and what terms; 2. Negotiate with BE a guarranted revenue threshold for three years, where BE would supplement travel costs for SDSU, or provide revenue that would equal what SDSU could earn if SDSU stayed in the MW; 3. Negotiate a sliding scale with BE for TV revenue based on sharing and merit so there is opporuinity to earn more $. 4. Maintain the same exist fee $5m, for SDSU leaving the BE within next three years.
This would allow SDSU to make a solid choice between MW or BE. BE can now negotiate its best TV deal, most likely a shorter term deal, until it see more stability in the BE. If BE can negotiate a better TV deal, SDSU could earn more revenue over time.
SDSU should make the decision based on knowing what is being offered by BE and MW. If BE cannot answer to the ?, there is a choice to joint MW or go independent. However, if the BE deal is even or a little better than the MW deal, I would recommend moving to BE becasue of the other positives.....walkonfan..GO STATE! ;D
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Post by monty on Jan 5, 2013 10:43:48 GMT -8
yea, if you pretend like Utah State and San Jose State didn't lose their coaches, then the tops are identical - whopee Good coaches will come and go every year in both leagues. So what?? so utah state is the no market nothing team that didn't get past mid field against us that we're stuck in a conference with - just another $#!+ team on the Donner Party trail
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Post by walkonfan on Jan 5, 2013 10:45:34 GMT -8
;D Unkowns: - TV deal For BE? What would SDSU's share be? -Will MW offer SDSU a deal it can live with? Likely to happen: -Other Football teams in BE are likely to leave in next few years but be replaced by others. -As history shows teams that enter the BE increase exposure, performance, competition, and become attractive to the other conferences. SMU and Houston will join the BE in 2013. Navy likely to join later. UNLV if they build there football stadium is a possibilty. Facts: -AZTECS were ready to move to BE with Football and with Basketball and Other sports in BW; -AZTECS know what their share of MW TV $ would be. -AZTECS need to keep improving in competition and performance. -AZTEC football proved it's football team is on par with Boise. -AZTEC's football won the MW conference Championship in 2012. -AZTEC football has nothing left to prove in the MW; -In the end MW will not be one of the anticipated super conferences. -Recruiting football players to play a BE schedule is more attractive than a MW. What SDSU Strategy Should Be: 1. Determine whether MW will invite SDSu to return and what terms; 2. Negotiate with BE a guarranted revenue threshold for three years, where BE would supplement travel costs for SDSU, or provide revenue that would equal what SDSU could earn if SDSU stayed in the MW; 3. Negotiate a sliding scale with BE for TV revenue based on sharing and merit so there is opporuinity to earn more $. 4. Maintain the same exist fee $5m, for SDSU leaving the BE within next three years. This would allow SDSU to make a solid choice between MW or BE. BE can now negotiate its best TV deal, most likely a shorter term deal, until it see more stability in the BE. If BE can negotiate a better TV deal, SDSU could earn more revenue over time. SDSU should make the decision based on knowing what is being offered by BE and MW. If BE cannot answer to the ?, there is a choice to joint MW or go independent. However, if the BE deal is even or a little better than the MW deal, I would recommend moving to BE becasue of the other positives.....walkonfan..GO STATE! ;D By the way Basketball fans, with Fisher and Dutcher and current set of young players the SDSU basketball program will be in great shape for years to come in the BW. SDSU Basketball is a top 25 program now, AZTEC's will get games with top programs, help the BW to grow in prominence, and could become the flagship BW program, the same as Gonzaga and Louisville....walkonfan....
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Post by halfnip on Jan 5, 2013 11:02:12 GMT -8
Jeezus, this is ridiculous. If our athletic programs were perceived in the way that some of you feel ($#!+, even 10%), we'd be wanted by all and would actually be able to negotiate a little. The fact is, we gambled and lost. Sterk can only look at what's on the table now and decide. Plus, the clock's ticking...
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Post by sctrojan on Jan 5, 2013 11:11:50 GMT -8
BYU joining as Full member bringing along Gonzaga for BB. 9 Million per team TV deal. SDSU will probably be left out because they will will dilute the pie according to ESPN. CINNCI and Hoston only teams that could add value or increase the contract. Good Luke SDSU playing Tulane, Middle Tenn State, Memphis after CINCI and Houston join MWC
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2013 11:14:37 GMT -8
The fact is, we gambled and lost. Sterk can only look at what's on the table now and decide. Plus, the clock's ticking... What clock? I originally thought like you but THIS is a fact. That clock is nothing more than a deadline we have to meet in order to guarantee the MWC has to let us back in IF the two parties agree to the terms for us to do so. That's it. Things the clock does NOT do: 1. Prevent SDSU from simply staying with its original plan of joining the BE/BW for 2013-2014. 2. Prevent SDSU from renegotiating its deal with the BE and/or the BW before we join on July 1, 2013. 3. Prevent SDSU from negotiating a return agreement with the MWC after January 1. On the final point, does anybody really think that a good businessman would want to have UTEP in conference rather than SDSU? Good businessmen (apologies in advance for the sexist term) don't operate out of emotion, they operate to enhance their bottom line. The MWC needs a twelfth member and viewed from that perspective, the choice between SDSU and UTEP is no choice at all.
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Post by monty on Jan 5, 2013 11:15:22 GMT -8
BYU joining as Full member bringing along Gonzaga for BB. 9 Million per team TV deal. SDSU will probably be left out because they will will dilute the pie according to ESPN. CINNCI and Hoston only teams that could add value or increase the contract. Good Luke SDSU playing Tulane, Middle Tenn State, Memphis after CINCI and Houston join MWC Thanks for the Good Luke wishes.
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Post by monty on Jan 5, 2013 11:16:47 GMT -8
The fact is, we gambled and lost. Sterk can only look at what's on the table now and decide. Plus, the clock's ticking... What clock? I originally thought like you but THIS is a fact. That clock is nothing more than a deadline we have to meet in order to guarantee the MWC has to let us back in IF the two parties agree to the terms for us to do so. That's it. Things the clock does NOT do: 1. Prevent SDSU from simply staying with its original plan of joining the BE/BW for 2013-2014. 2. Prevent SDSU from renegotiating its deal with the BE and/or the BW before we join on July 1, 2013. 3. Prevent SDSU from negotiating a return agreement with the MWC after January 1. On the final point, does anybody really think that a good businessman would want to have UTEP in conference rather than SDSU? Good businessmen (apologies in advance for the sexist term) don't operate out of emotion, they operate to enhance their bottom line. The MWC needs a twelfth member and viewed from that perspective, the choice between SDSU and UTEP is no choice at all. The fact that those spiteful rocks would even contemplate is example 1 why we shouldn't even bother staying in such a shithole
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2013 11:27:35 GMT -8
It's pleasing to know that some U$C fans now see us as a threat.
Maybe they'll actually agree to play us in football again some day. Naw . . .
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Post by sctrojan on Jan 5, 2013 12:41:14 GMT -8
Being a grad of USC and now in grad school at Stanford, let me say unequivocally to you delusional SDSU fans, there is absolutely NO way SDSU EVER gets an invite to the PAC 12 NEVER NEVER EVER. SDSU has ZERO chance if every getting into the PAC 12. USC, UCLA, CAL,STANFORD, will never being in the same conference with a commuter school with second rate academics.
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