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Post by k5james on Dec 21, 2012 20:36:57 GMT -8
Or has a different perspective on the gameplan. speaking of egocentric... hey, Zuma. I should now Congratulate you on being as predictable as Ludwig's Play calling last night. Irony?
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Post by podpeople on Dec 21, 2012 20:48:02 GMT -8
speaking of egocentric... hey, Zuma. I should now Congratulate you on being as predictable as Ludwig's Play calling last night. Irony? maybe inverse irony.
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Post by myownwords on Dec 21, 2012 21:13:35 GMT -8
Or has a different perspective on the gameplan. This team made all its bank this year off the "run first, pass rarely" mentality. This is often a winning formula, and had we stuck with it I think we'd have won last night. Except I think that strategy requires a good pass blocking line and a good passing QB, yes?
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Post by podpeople on Dec 21, 2012 21:31:05 GMT -8
Except I think that strategy requires a good pass blocking line and a good passing QB, yes? Why? We have run first and passed rarely. It got us seven straight including a damn decent win at Boise. please, look at the highlights. You'll see that the plays that won us the game were passing plays. Not running the ball 75% of the time. We played ourselves into a corner against BYU.
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Post by k5james on Dec 21, 2012 21:36:45 GMT -8
Why? We have run first and passed rarely. It got us seven straight including a damn decent win at Boise. please, look at the highlights. You'll see that the plays that won us the game were passing plays. Not running the ball 75% of the time. We played ourselves into a corner against BYU. Plays that won us the game... Kickoff return for touchdown. Blocked punt by Garrett. Touchdown run by Muema. Touchdown run by Kazee. Big run by Muema to get first down in fourth quarter to milk clock. Dingwell was 12/18 for 105 yards and a pick. The running game went 43 for 165 and two touchdowns. Did you even watch the game?
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Post by podpeople on Dec 21, 2012 21:55:01 GMT -8
please, look at the highlights. You'll see that the plays that won us the game were passing plays. Not running the ball 75% of the time. We played ourselves into a corner against BYU. Plays that won us the game... Kickoff return for touchdown. Blocked punt by Garrett. Touchdown run by Muema. Touchdown run by Kazee. Big run by Muema to get first down in fourth quarter to milk clock. Dingwell was 12/18 for 105 yards and a pick. The running game went 43 for 165 and two touchdowns. Did you even watch the game? the clutch pass to Escobar put us in the position to win, Pal. are you that myopic, or are you just trying to argue with me to get your rocks off? listen, I'm not trying to get into any grudge match with you here, but it seems like you are being stubborn if you cant acknowledge what it is that I'm saying.
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Post by jeremy91942 on Dec 21, 2012 22:02:08 GMT -8
In terms of 'national' significance, this game was as important as the UCF/Ball State game that was on tonight that I didn't bother watching. If I were at a bar tonight and nothing else was on, I would glace occasionally at the game, without much more thought. Come tomorrow w/ NFL and the such this weekend, I won't give the University of Central Florida another thought. I'm thinking it is the same w/ SDSU, BYU, and the rest of the nation. What matters is that we made it to a 3rd bowl game in a row, I see no reason for us not to make it 4 next year, and the game was highly competitive (if not boring) until 10 to go in the 4th. Dingwell didn't play well, but that dude Van Noy is a beast. Maybe that's what the nation will take a way from this game. That's about it. There's a gazillion bowl games in the next weeks, nobody cares about the Poinsettia bowl other than us and BYU. That's okay though. That's why making it big in CFB is difficult. You can't recruit a couple kids and get nationally ranked. It's a long, arduous task, especially as a public school in CA, and we are on the way. Great year, fun game, can't wait to see how this realignment stuff works out and look forward to seeing my boys next year.
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Post by smoothcat on Dec 21, 2012 22:09:23 GMT -8
It was an aboslutely brutal come from ahead loss complete with the usual BS calls and complete bad luck we ALWAYS get when playing BYU in any sport.
That said, if you would have told me before the season that we would win at Nevada, Boise State (we won that game!) and Wyoming in exchange for getting screwed vs BYU in a bowl game I would have taken it.
But that was a horrific series of events last night, there is no way to look at it otherwise....I still believe we have a much better team than BYU this year but the refs were brutal and Rocky and Ludwig were clearly outcoached.
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Post by k5james on Dec 21, 2012 22:12:05 GMT -8
It was an aboslutely brutal come from ahead loss complete with the usual BS calls and complete bad luck we ALWAYS get when playing BYU in any sport. That said, if you would have told me before the season that we would win at Nevada, Boise State (we won that game!) and Wyoming in exchange for getting screwed vs BYU in a bowl game I would have taken it. But that was a horrific series of events last night, there is no way to look at it otherwise....I still believe we have a much better team than BYU this year but the refs were brutal and Rocky and Ludwig were clearly outcoached. That call to throw the ball from our own end zone in the 4th quarter was the single worst call I have seen in quite some time.
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Post by podpeople on Dec 21, 2012 22:20:25 GMT -8
It was an aboslutely brutal come from ahead loss complete with the usual BS calls and complete bad luck we ALWAYS get when playing BYU in any sport. That said, if you would have told me before the season that we would win at Nevada, Boise State (we won that game!) and Wyoming in exchange for getting screwed vs BYU in a bowl game I would have taken it. But that was a horrific series of events last night, there is no way to look at it otherwise....I still believe we have a much better team than BYU this year but the refs were brutal and Rocky and Ludwig were clearly outcoached. That call to throw the ball from our own end zone in the 4th quarter was the single worst call I have seen in quite some time. so, you're saying that Ludwig is responsible for the worst call you've ever seen made by an OC? Ever? thats a strong statement. I would say it was the wrong call given the circumstances. And, of course, hindsight is 20/20. WE had our best Oline guy at right tackle, and he was dusted by one of the quickest players on the field. not much you can do there. we were pinned back, and should have never had a 5-step drop called there. I'm not sure what Ludwig was thinking either. Horrible call, but certainly not the worst one I've ever seen.
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Post by k5james on Dec 21, 2012 22:22:39 GMT -8
That call to throw the ball from our own end zone in the 4th quarter was the single worst call I have seen in quite some time. so, you're saying that Ludwig is responsible for the worst call you've ever seen made by an OC? Ever? thats a strong statement. I would say it was the wrong call given the circumstances. And, of course, hindsight is 20/20. WE had our best Oline guy at right tackle, and he was dusted by one of the quickest players on the field. not much you can do there. we were pinned back, and should have never had a 5-step drop called there. I'm not sure what Ludwig was thinking either. Horrible call, but certainly not the worst one I've ever seen. Having trouble with reading comprehension today? I said "in quite some time."
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Post by podpeople on Dec 21, 2012 22:31:49 GMT -8
so, you're saying that Ludwig is responsible for the worst call you've ever seen made by an OC? Ever? thats a strong statement. I would say it was the wrong call given the circumstances. And, of course, hindsight is 20/20. WE had our best Oline guy at right tackle, and he was dusted by one of the quickest players on the field. not much you can do there. we were pinned back, and should have never had a 5-step drop called there. I'm not sure what Ludwig was thinking either. Horrible call, but certainly not the worst one I've ever seen. Having trouble with reading comprehension today? I said "in quite some time." yeah, my vision is kind of messed up. I'm still a little misty eyed from reading your posts while laughing my ass off.
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Post by k5james on Dec 21, 2012 22:33:22 GMT -8
Having trouble with reading comprehension today? I said "in quite some time." yeah, my vision is kind of messed up. I'm still a little misty eyed from reading your posts while laughing my ass off. Stupid is as stupid does...
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Post by podpeople on Dec 21, 2012 22:55:02 GMT -8
the clutch pass to Escobar put us in the position to win, Pal. are you that myopic, or are you just trying to argue with me to get your rocks off? listen, I'm not trying to get into any grudge match with you here, but it seems like you are being stubborn if you cant acknowledge what it is that I'm saying. I can't speak for James but I doubt he's saying that Dinger hasn't made some clutch plays this year. However, on balance he's right with regard to this discussion. Not sure what you're getting at with all this, but... a) There's no way, given the direction of the game at that time, that you don't dance with who brung you there. When you're on the two yard line or whatever it was, and you've got a RB who had been shredding it all that time, you run the f*cker into the end zone. b) Did you live through the Dave Lay years, with all that "exciting" passing that led to all those "exciting" losses? c) On offense, the run game won the Boise game for us. Period. I respect your opinion, and wish I could agree with you. While watching the game, prior to halftime, I had the thought that SDSU should stop running so much, or its going to end up hurting us once we do need to throw. And that's what happened. When we did need to throw, they knew it, and capitalized on it. there's more to a football game than blanket statements, Pal. And if you watch a game, it becomes apparent that each play can, and does, effect not only the play that follows it, but has a cascade,or ripple effect further on down the line. Running the ball as much as we did, when it would have been beneficial to throw the ball, if only for strategical reasons, would have changed the outcome of the game in how BYU's defense attacked. whatever the game plan was played right into their hands. No?
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Post by podpeople on Dec 21, 2012 23:13:13 GMT -8
Thanks. Most people don't respect other people's opinions too much. I'm not sure I follow your logic here. Are you saying that we should have, in effect, "practiced" the passing game prior to the turnovers? there's more to a football game than blanket statements, Pal. And if you watch a game, it becomes apparent that each play can, and does, effect not only the play that follows it, but has a cascade,or ripple effect further on down the line. Running the ball as much as we did, when it would have been beneficial to throw the ball, if only for strategical reasons, would have changed the outcome of the game in how BYU's defense attacked. whatever the game plan was played right into their hands. No? True about "blanket statements" in football or in life for that matter. No, I don't agree with the end of what you say here. However, I do appreciate your capitalizing "Pal." I thought you'd enjoy that, if only to notice the difference in the tone of the sentence if I hadn't.
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Post by Simsonic on Dec 22, 2012 6:04:46 GMT -8
I said this before the game...
If we lose, this program will head into a ten year tailspin. Now that we lost, I'm not so sure. We outplayed them for three quarters. It was typical SDSU vs a more respected program. I hate that the team went into the off season with a loss, but they played hard.
What they didn't play with was HEART. I just don't see it yet. Heart would have put BYU out of the game in the first half and Rocky needs to improve in that area. We have a chance to win at top 5 Ohio State next year. That is the only 'statement' game we need. Once we get one of those wins we will have turned the corner. It hasn't happened yet and I'm fearful Rocky isn't the guy to do it. I hope I'm wrong.
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Post by myownwords on Dec 22, 2012 7:29:08 GMT -8
I said this before the game... If we lose, this program will head into a ten year tailspin. Now that we lost, I'm not so sure. We outplayed them for three quarters. It was typical SDSU vs a more respected program. I hate that the team went into the off season with a loss, but they played hard. What they didn't play with was HEART. I just don't see it yet. Heart would have put BYU out of the game in the first half and Rocky needs to improve in that area. We have a chance to win at top 5 Ohio State next year. That is the only 'statement' game we need. Once we get one of those wins we will have turned the corner. It hasn't happened yet and I'm fearful Rocky isn't the guy to do it. I hope I'm wrong. Simonic, I agreed with most of your thoughts here, especially concerning Rocky Long's future, but I do have trouble with the Ohio State comment. What have you seen---especially after the P-Bowl---that makes you feel we "have a chance"? I mean, every team in Amercia "has a chance", but you know what I mean. We will not likely "out coach" Ohio State. Their team is stocked with some of the best recruits in the nation while ours continues to be in the lower third (Scout). Maybe there is help on the way, but right now I don't see our offense improving much at all. So, I'm less sanguine than you.
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Post by k5james on Dec 22, 2012 8:38:16 GMT -8
I said this before the game... If we lose, this program will head into a ten year tailspin. Now that we lost, I'm not so sure. We outplayed them for three quarters. It was typical SDSU vs a more respected program. I hate that the team went into the off season with a loss, but they played hard. What they didn't play with was HEART. I just don't see it yet. Heart would have put BYU out of the game in the first half and Rocky needs to improve in that area. We have a chance to win at top 5 Ohio State next year. That is the only 'statement' game we need. Once we get one of those wins we will have turned the corner. It hasn't happened yet and I'm fearful Rocky isn't the guy to do it. I hope I'm wrong. Simonic, I agreed with most of your thoughts here, especially concerning Rocky Long's future, but I do have trouble with the Ohio State comment. What have you seen---especially after the P-Bowl---that makes you feel we "have a chance"? I mean, every team in Amercia "has a chance", but you know what I mean. We will not likely "out coach" Ohio State. Their team is stocked with some of the best recruits in the nation while ours continues to be in the lower third (Scout). Maybe there is help on the way, but right now I don't see our offense improving much at all. So, I'm less sanguine than you. Of course you don't/are.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2012 9:29:26 GMT -8
I love how after 7 wins in a row, rocky is the guy. After one loss where we outplayed the favored team for 3 qtrs before the qb turned it over four times in one quarter, rocky is no longer the guy. Beyond ridiculous.
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Post by myownwords on Dec 22, 2012 9:32:38 GMT -8
Well, just to be clear, Rocky Long was never "the guy", before or after the 7 games. And he will not be "the guy" long term, in my opinion. We need an coach who can be more successful in recruiting and in bowl games.
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