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Post by MarshallU on Dec 19, 2012 9:54:33 GMT -8
Their conference RPI is ranked 17 right now. Better than the 21-25 people were complaining about. If you took a dump on my face and missed my mouth, but got it in my eyes, I wouldn't be thinking to myself, "Thank God it missed my mouth!" LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by perspixx on Dec 19, 2012 9:58:53 GMT -8
UC Riverside has won three Big West Tournament games but has only made it past the quarterfinals once. They have somewhat underachieved in Division I, as their basketball program was much more successful in Division II than Northridge or Cal Poly were. They are to us what Colorado State was to you up until a few years ago (or what SDSU was to the WAC in the 80s and 90s).
Their 70-26 loss to USC broke the Big West Conference record for fewest points scored in a non-conference game; the previous record was set by UC Riverside in a 39-30 loss to Fresno State earlier this season.
I'm not sure a new arena would help UCR, because it would still be in Riverside. If they somehow moved the entire campus to a nicer part of the IE like Temecula or Chino Hills, then they might have a shot... but being in Riverside is a major anchor around their feet.
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Post by dmilesai on Dec 19, 2012 10:28:46 GMT -8
UC Riverside has won three Big West Tournament games but has only made it past the quarterfinals once. They have somewhat underachieved in Division I, as their basketball program was much more successful in Division II than Northridge or Cal Poly were. They are to us what Colorado State was to you up until a few years ago (or what SDSU was to the WAC in the 80s and 90s). Their 70-26 loss to USC broke the Big West Conference record for fewest points scored in a non-conference game; the previous record was set by UC Riverside in a 39-30 loss to Fresno State earlier this season. I'm not sure a new arena would help UCR, because it would still be in Riverside. If they somehow moved the entire campus to a nicer part of the IE like Temecula or Chino Hills, then they might have a shot... but being in Riverside is a major anchor around their feet. I think a new arena would really help. Eric Wise would have been much more apt to stay in Riverside if their basketball court wasn't connected to the Student Rec Center at UCR. However, he ended up leaving Riverside and going to UC Irvine instead. The high schools around UCR always produce good talent, but no one is impressed when they tour the UCR facilities.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2012 10:57:30 GMT -8
As far as I can tell from the really bad official websites of UCR and the BWC, it appears as though since 2005-2006 (archives don't go back any further), UCR has won exactly two games in the BWC tournament. That was in 2008 and 2011. They have otherwise been one and done or, one year, apparently didn't qualify for the tournament for some reason. (Just too awful maybe?)
That's seven season playing in the tournament of a conference which seems to have an RPI of 17-25 yet UCR has managed to win only two games total. So I'm sure the new arena will help, but how much? To bring them up to sub-mediocrity from one of the worst Division I programs in the country? (BTW, UCD isn't a helluva lot better and the Aggies have one of the best arenas in the BW.)
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Post by MontezumasRevenge on Dec 19, 2012 11:06:52 GMT -8
Their conference RPI is ranked 17 right now. Better than the 21-25 people were complaining about. If you took a dump on my face and missed my mouth, but got it in my eyes, I wouldn't be thinking to myself, "Thank God it missed my mouth!" Whenever the PA guy said "Double Deuce" last night, I thought about this thread
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Post by perspixx on Dec 19, 2012 11:12:33 GMT -8
The Pavilion is bigger, yes. Better? No. I've been there twice.
UC Davis's Pavilion has a capacity of 7,600 people but the facility lacks a center court scoreboard. There are hundreds of seats in the facility from which the corner wall-mounted scoreboards are obstructed. How much fun is watching a basketball game when you don't know the score or how much time is left on the clock?
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Post by dmilesai on Dec 19, 2012 12:31:10 GMT -8
As far as I can tell from the really bad official websites of UCR and the BWC, it appears as though since 2005-2006 (archives don't go back any further), UCR has won exactly two games in the BWC tournament. That was in 2008 and 2011. They have otherwise been one and done or, one year, apparently didn't qualify for the tournament for some reason. (Just too awful maybe?) That's seven season playing in the tournament of a conference which seems to have an RPI of 17-25 yet UCR has managed to win only two games total. So I'm sure the new arena will help, but how much? To bring them up to sub-mediocrity from one of the worst Division I programs in the country? (BTW, UCD isn't a helluva lot better and the Aggies have one of the best arenas in the BW.) I heard that UCR had a legitimate shot at Eric Wise and Tony Snell coming out of high school, but they couldn't stand playing on a basketball court that is inside the school's recreation center. Getting either of those players wouldn't have made them a great program, but it would have made them a middle-of-the-road Big West team at the very least. Facilities matter a lot.
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Post by RB Aztec on Dec 19, 2012 12:35:10 GMT -8
The Pavilion is bigger, yes. Better? No. I've been there twice. UC Davis's Pavilion has a capacity of 7,600 people but the facility lacks a center court scoreboard. There are hundreds of seats in the facility from which the corner wall-mounted scoreboards are obstructed. How much fun is watching a basketball game when you don't know the score or how much time is left on the clock? Such is life in the lowly Big West. The presence of SDSU, even if for a short time, may do wonders to make the league act and think more like a Division I conference. A few visits to SDSU's packed arena will likely open the eyes of coaches, AD's, and league officials. Regardless, I hope we get out of this crap league ASAP.
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Post by wgate on Dec 19, 2012 13:03:12 GMT -8
You all realize that UCR became a Division I program in 2000 right? UCD switched to Division I in 2003 or something. It will take time for them to take their programs to the next level and the new facilities will help them a lot. In my opinion UCR's problem is their coach, he coached NCAA Division I basketball for 18 years and he only made it to the post season once. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Wooldridge That is just a horrible record, if UCR manages to replace him with a good coach and build that arena they will improve immensely.
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Post by RB Aztec on Dec 19, 2012 20:48:33 GMT -8
You all realize that UCR became a Division I program in 2000 right? UCD switched to Division I in 2003 or something. It will take time for them to take their programs to the next level and the new facilities will help them a lot. In my opinion UCR's problem is their coach, he coached NCAA Division I basketball for 18 years and he only made it to the post season once. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Wooldridge That is just a horrible record, if UCR manages to replace him with a good coach and build that arena they will improve immensely. I am with the other person that stated that a big problem for them is that they are in Riverside, which is the armpit of SoCal. This will never be a recruiting Mecca.
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Post by dmilesai on Dec 19, 2012 21:17:43 GMT -8
You all realize that UCR became a Division I program in 2000 right? UCD switched to Division I in 2003 or something. It will take time for them to take their programs to the next level and the new facilities will help them a lot. In my opinion UCR's problem is their coach, he coached NCAA Division I basketball for 18 years and he only made it to the post season once. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Wooldridge That is just a horrible record, if UCR manages to replace him with a good coach and build that arena they will improve immensely. I am with the other person that stated that a big problem for them is that they are in Riverside, which is the armpit of SoCal. This will never be a recruiting Mecca. I agree that Riverside is not a desirable place. However, a lot of good players come out of the IE, and some of them have expressed some interest in UCR.
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Post by RB Aztec on Dec 19, 2012 21:23:42 GMT -8
I am with the other person that stated that a big problem for them is that they are in Riverside, which is the armpit of SoCal. This will never be a recruiting Mecca. I agree that Riverside is not a desirable place. However, a lot of good players come out of the IE, and some of them have expressed some interest in UCR. I will go out on a limb here and guess that they would love to get out of the Inland Empire to play for a school closer to the coast (e.g. SDSU, UCLA, etc.)
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