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Post by RockNFish on Nov 17, 2012 9:48:34 GMT -8
Prop 30 money isn't going to schools. That's a lie that the people that voted for it bought into. I hate talking politics on a Sports message board but I must chime in on this one. I am a teacher and I can assure you that Prop 30 funds are going DIRECTLY to support schools, students and teachers. The passage of prop 30 now prevents nearly 3 weeks of furlough days our district had approved. Lotto money was suppose to save the schools.
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on Nov 17, 2012 9:52:52 GMT -8
I hate talking politics on a Sports message board but I must chime in on this one. I am a teacher and I can assure you that Prop 30 funds are going DIRECTLY to support schools, students and teachers. The passage of prop 30 now prevents nearly 3 weeks of furlough days our district had approved. Lotto money was suppose to save the schools. I don't know anything about the Lotto nor have I ever played it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2012 10:00:10 GMT -8
I'd rather have BYU, UNLV and/or La Tech. This way the Big west BB is boosted since UNLV would have to join. You could go to 16 in BE for football... east: Rutgers, Temple, Navy, UCF, USF, Cincy, Louisville, Uconn west: SDSU, BYU, Houston, SMU, Memphis, La Tech, UNLV, Boise
Not a bad conference even with UNLV football, now you have 2 potential BCS busters in both divisions. 16 is a lot of teams though.
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Post by 1611Luginbill on Nov 17, 2012 10:03:13 GMT -8
I thought we usually talk about this nonsense in the off-season?
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Post by aztecron on Nov 17, 2012 10:03:58 GMT -8
Please god no. Lots of reasons, among them the following: 1. That program doesn't have a big-time (ie BCS) profile. They would add nothing to the BL's prestige, only to the scorn it already draws. 2. Someone mentioned a "rivalry" that we just "rekindled." Nonsense. We haven't been rivals with them since the early '70's IF then. 3. The state won't wanna be funding college football for long. Therefore, sad as it might be for some, we need to run Fresno and San Jose out of business rather than encouraging their success. I hope we're moving forward with this move. As far as I'm concerned, no PCAA teams need apply. Pretty funny. If they were in the Little East and the post was about adding SDSU all those comments would fit SDSU just the same....Just saying... But that's not the case is it? At some point you have to realize were in and accept that, not fight it. The point is were here and they are not. Point is those comments wouldn't fit us as it isn't the case. If, if, if....
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2012 10:06:41 GMT -8
spear, the BE has said it won't go to 16. Too many mouths to feed. And LA Tech is not only located in a podunk town, it's a flash in the pan. Sonny Dykes will be gone within the next two months and then that program will fall just as rapidly as it has risen.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2012 10:14:02 GMT -8
spear, the BE has said it won't go to 16. Too many mouths to feed. And LA Tech is not only located in a podunk town, it's a flash in the pan. Sonny Dykes will be gone within the next two months and then that program will fall just as rapidly as it has risen. True, I was just trying to find a quality opponent for memphis that wasn't too far west. La Tech is good, but you're definitely right about Dykes. Staying at 14 (7) in each division is not bad, but it does mean that Temple and or Louisville/Cincy will be placed in the west once Navy joins. I hate the idea of a philly school being in the "west" division. What is more likely they put Temple back in the East once navy joins and split up cincy and louiville? Or they leave Temple in the west division perminently? Or haha, if we get lucky and they drop Temple for a new program all together...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2012 10:23:07 GMT -8
After the BE gets tired of being turned down by BYU and AFA, maybe they'll throw some money at Navy to get the Middies to agree to withdraw. Do that and then there would be an even dozen football schools and then go to a so-called zipper divisional setup and split the pie one less way. Then let UNLV know that if they actually build that new stadium in the interim, they're on the fast track to membership the next time the BE expands.
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Post by sdsustoner on Nov 17, 2012 10:55:55 GMT -8
I would LMAO @ them flip-flopping on the BE on the MWC board.
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Post by aztecmusician on Nov 17, 2012 13:22:46 GMT -8
You phrased it better than I could have. College football is a Darwinist proposition anymore. We can't shut down ucla and USC, but we can help to kill off some of the others. I disagree. Too many FB programs have already been killed off in CA. It would have helped us if Long Beach and Fullerton were still around. They would have made good non-conference opponents for us, much as Ohio State probably sees us. In any event, the more programs you kill off, the more you are hurting the sport. We should take the attitude that we will be successful no matter how many rivals are trying to outdo us. AzWm This is spot on. If College Football is going to thrive in the State of California, there needs to be more than one "State" school in Div 1A.
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Post by sdsuaztecs on Nov 17, 2012 13:23:35 GMT -8
Add Fresno, UNLV and Reno and you get to 16 teams with a great Western Division for basketball:
SDSU Boise Fresno UNLV Nevada Houston SMU Memphis
Temple Navy Rutgers UConn UCF USF Louisville Cincinnati
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2012 13:32:35 GMT -8
Reno is a joke. They even made a sitcom about it.
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Post by k5james on Nov 17, 2012 13:55:59 GMT -8
UNLV and Reno bring almost zero value to the BE. CSU Fresno is debatable but I'd prefer we get as much separation from the other state schools as possible.
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Post by aztech on Nov 17, 2012 13:56:13 GMT -8
You actually make a good argument for why Fresno has limited value. However, the rebuttal to it is that despite the fact the Central Valley's economy is just middle class at its zenith, Fresno manages to draw well and the last time it was brought up here, the Bulldog Foundation or whatever it's called was receiving more in donations than the AAF/Aztec Club. I think the true measure of Fresno State's market value is when they get a significant opponent at home and is nationally televised. The local and national Nielsen ratings would be very telling. Supposedly their viewing audience in their immediate area totals about 2 million. I don't know what that translates into households though. San Diego County has about 3.5 million and over a million households respectively. Aresco is an expert in that sort of stuff so I'm sure he already knows if Fresno State would be a go or no go, as an option.
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Post by sdsuaztecs on Nov 17, 2012 14:13:53 GMT -8
How you define "market value" especially in college sports has changed dramatically over the last few years because geography is less and less of a factor. That said, you need really intense competitive games that mean something to attract audiences. I have never like scheduling Nicholls State or North Dakota State just to get a "W". Nobody shows up for the game, nobody cares but you get a "W". Tell me how you translate that to dollars other than at the gate. We need "BIG" games and the more the better. I would schedule USC or UCLA every year if I could for football and basketball and let the chips fall where they may.
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on Nov 17, 2012 14:29:08 GMT -8
After the BE gets tired of being turned down by BYU and AFA, maybe they'll throw some money at Navy to get the Middies to agree to withdraw. Do that and then there would be an even dozen football schools and then go to a so-called zipper divisional setup and split the pie one less way. Then let UNLV know that if they actually build that new stadium in the interim, they're on the fast track to membership the next time the BE expands. The delusional UNLV fans will only accept a PAC 12 invite.
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Post by aztech on Nov 17, 2012 14:35:33 GMT -8
How you define "market value" especially in college sports has changed dramatically over the last few years because geography is less and less of a factor. That said, you need really intense competitive games that mean something to attract audiences. I have never like scheduling Nicholls State or North Dakota State just to get a "W". Nobody shows up for the game, nobody cares but you get a "W". Tell me how you translate that to dollars other than at the gate. We need "BIG" games and the more the better. I would schedule USC or UCLA every year if I could for football and basketball and let the chips fall where they may. Huh?
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Post by sdsuaztecs on Nov 17, 2012 14:53:46 GMT -8
Aztech,
My point is we need "intense" competiion at the "Q" for fans to show up. I've been to too many "ho-hum" games that had little or no meaning. Fresno is not a "ho-hum" game. The football program under Rocky is at a point now where we can also go for it.....meaning the hole inchelada. Fresno to the BEast affords SDSU more degrees of freedom in exiting the BEast if need be also. SDSU is on the cusp of some really fantastic times. It's time to go for it!
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Post by myownwords on Nov 17, 2012 14:57:20 GMT -8
I disagree. Too many FB programs have already been killed off in CA. It would have helped us if Long Beach and Fullerton were still around. They would have made good non-conference opponents for us, much as Ohio State probably sees us. In any event, the more programs you kill off, the more you are hurting the sport. We should take the attitude that we will be successful no matter how many rivals are trying to outdo us. AzWm This is spot on. If College Football is going to thrive in the State of California, there needs to be more than one "State" school in Div 1A. I'm not aware of a simple syllagism, or a complex series of facts that make it critical for our football program to have other state schools surviving in football. It may be so, but I can't see why.
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