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Post by RiffelBooks on Nov 16, 2012 22:28:43 GMT -8
How much longer would UNLV suck at football if they got into the Big East and actually hired a good coach?
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Post by tonatiuh on Nov 16, 2012 22:31:26 GMT -8
Please god no. Lots of reasons, among them the following: 1. That program doesn't have a big-time (ie BCS) profile. They would add nothing to the BL's prestige, only to the scorn it already draws. 2. Someone mentioned a "rivalry" that we just "rekindled." Nonsense. We haven't been rivals with them since the early '70's IF then. 3. The state won't wanna be funding college football for long. Therefore, sad as it might be for some, we need to run Fresno and San Jose out of business rather than encouraging their success. I hope we're moving forward with this move. As far as I'm concerned, no PCAA teams need apply. Are you actually serious, and explain yourself on points 1,2,&3?! |
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Post by chris92065 on Nov 16, 2012 22:46:36 GMT -8
I agree with jyp.
Moonbeam is going to cut stAte funding to all vs schools. The revenue projected for prop 3o is grossly inflated and already they are talking about using the money elsewhere but schools.
Fresno would only bring us down cause they would be competition for reciuts
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Post by PowayAztec on Nov 16, 2012 23:16:25 GMT -8
UNLV is a much better road trip than Fresno. I've been to both and going to Fresno sucks. And "no", we don't have a rivalry with them.
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Post by AztecWilliam on Nov 16, 2012 23:18:50 GMT -8
The more I've thought about it, the more we need to let every other team in the west wither on the vine - we should be on an island, we should be the only team besides the Truck Driving School that gets paid west of texas - let them all die. It's a modified island like TCU was on for a while. We want to be the only conceivable option out west (Boise's academics are decades away from making them a realistic option for any other conference) You phrased it better than I could have. College football is a Darwinist proposition anymore. We can't shut down ucla and USC, but we can help to kill off some of the others. I disagree. Too many FB programs have already been killed off in CA. It would have helped us if Long Beach and Fullerton were still around. They would have made good non-conference opponents for us, much as Ohio State probably sees us. In any event, the more programs you kill off, the more you are hurting the sport. We should take the attitude that we will be successful no matter how many rivals are trying to outdo us. AzWm |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2012 0:14:48 GMT -8
Not an INsider, so not sure if the article addresses this with facts to back it up, but isn't the major draw of the new BIGeast, programs with large TV markets or just kick A football programs? (Boise) Not sure how Fresno fits those criteria. Is the Central Valley really a desirable market that adds wealth to the conference? The article is brief but among the things it says is Fresno State is in a bigger market than are AFA or Tulsa. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2012 0:16:13 GMT -8
UNLV is a much better road trip than Fresno. I've been to both and going to Fresno sucks. And "no", we don't have a rivalry with them. In the modern era of college sports it's all about football yet UNLV is too damned stupid to realize it. That in itself makes UNLV next to worthless. |
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Post by jdgaucho on Nov 17, 2012 0:18:31 GMT -8
I wish it wasn't all about football. But I wonder if, in hindsight, we saved ourselves from further financial burden and tepid fanbases when we (Long Beach, Fullerton, Pacific, UCSB) all dropped it in the 90s.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2012 0:32:35 GMT -8
We were the Big East's 3rd choice behind Boise and BYU. Fresno would likely be their 5th or 6th choice.
When looking at the national landscape of college football, I don't understand why any of you would want us to be associated with Fresno State.
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Post by saucematix on Nov 17, 2012 0:40:51 GMT -8
I still think we grab unlv, CSUck, byu, air force. Come to think of it, I'd be down with old mtn west without
Wyoming.
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Post by uncledougy on Nov 17, 2012 4:50:00 GMT -8
We were the Big East's 3rd choice behind Boise and BYU. Fresno would likely be their 5th or 6th choice. When looking at the national landscape of college football, I don't understand why any of you would want us to be associated with Fresno State. Exactly!! I can't stand the need to make Fresno our "rival". It is an embarrassment to Aztec Nation to have Fresno as our rival. It is a shame that we don't have a longtime rival, but after this years game vs Boise, I would welcome the Broncs as our rival. It makes sense with us both moving to BE and BW. |
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Post by laaztec on Nov 17, 2012 6:40:26 GMT -8
I agree with jyp. Moonbeam is going to cut stAte funding to all vs schools. The revenue projected for prop 3o is grossly inflated and already they are talking about using the money elsewhere but schools. Fresno would only bring us down cause they would be competition for reciuts Prop 30 money isn't going to schools. That's a lie that the people that voted for it bought into. |
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Post by fangdog on Nov 17, 2012 6:47:29 GMT -8
It doesn't matter what snobby SDSU fans think of Fresno. Fresno wins games and people will be interested. "Winners" have value which is in demand. Fresno State football will be in demand whether Fresno State is a one room schoolhouse with a rope-pull recess bell.
I can see where SDSU snobby-fans would prefer Boise.....SDSU can defeat Boise but suffer blow-out loss against Fresno
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Post by McQuervo on Nov 17, 2012 8:20:06 GMT -8
I actually agree with JYP.
Confirmation that Dec 12 is near.
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Post by MontezumaPhil on Nov 17, 2012 8:20:52 GMT -8
How much longer would UNLV suck at football if they got into the Big East and actually hired a good coach? I think this is the right idea. The bad thing about UNLV is the quality of Rebel football, but that can be fixed. The problem with Fresno State is Fresno, which cannot be fixed. I just spent several days driving the length of the San Joaquin Valley, and was reminded again that one thing the valley has almost none of is disposable income. It just isn't a Big East market. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2012 8:46:23 GMT -8
We were the Big East's 3rd choice behind Boise and BYU. Fresno would likely be their 5th or 6th choice. When looking at the national landscape of college football, I don't understand why any of you would want us to be associated with Fresno State. So you would prefer that the BE's 14th football member be ECU instead? Because BYU and AFA aren't coming. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2012 8:48:26 GMT -8
I still think we grab unlv, CSUck, byu, air force. Come to think of it, I'd be down with old mtn west without Wyoming. We need to separate ourselves from all the Front Range schools. And UNLV for football only? Really? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2012 8:52:46 GMT -8
How much longer would UNLV suck at football if they got into the Big East and actually hired a good coach? I think this is the right idea. The bad thing about UNLV is the quality of Rebel football, but that can be fixed. The problem with Fresno State is Fresno, which cannot be fixed. I just spent several days driving the length of the San Joaquin Valley, and was reminded again that one thing the valley has almost none of is disposable income. It just isn't a Big East market. You actually make a good argument for why Fresno has limited value. However, the rebuttal to it is that despite the fact the Central Valley's economy is just middle class at its zenith, Fresno manages to draw well and the last time it was brought up here, the Bulldog Foundation or whatever it's called was receiving more in donations than the AAF/Aztec Club. |
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Post by myownwords on Nov 17, 2012 8:56:56 GMT -8
I agree with jyp. Moonbeam is going to cut stAte funding to all vs schools. The revenue projected for prop 3o is grossly inflated and already they are talking about using the money elsewhere but schools. Fresno would only bring us down cause they would be competition for reciuts Prop 30 money isn't going to schools. That's a lie that the people that voted for it bought into. Of course it's a lie. Voting to increase taxes would never succeed without that. And I agree that the state will somehow, someway siphon off at least a portion of the BE payday. I also have a hard time getting interested in a Fresno rivalry. Never disliked them, but I sure didn't care one way or another---except when we lost to them. Seems to me, that they are outside the "culture" of the Big East FAR more than we are---by a couple of parsecs. |
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on Nov 17, 2012 9:41:05 GMT -8
I agree with jyp. Moonbeam is going to cut stAte funding to all vs schools. The revenue projected for prop 3o is grossly inflated and already they are talking about using the money elsewhere but schools. Fresno would only bring us down cause they would be competition for reciuts Prop 30 money isn't going to schools. That's a lie that the people that voted for it bought into. I hate talking politics on a Sports message board but I must chime in on this one. I am a teacher in a very large district and I can assure you that Prop 30 funds are going DIRECTLY to support schools, students and teachers. The passage of prop 30 now prevents nearly 3 weeks of furlough days our district had approved. This directly impacts anyone who has children in a public school. |
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