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Post by deadlypepsi on Oct 14, 2012 15:36:01 GMT -8
williams is a 3 star on scout.
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Post by TheSanDiegan on Oct 14, 2012 16:15:22 GMT -8
I think we can officially put to rest the fallacy that moving to the Big West was going to kill recruiting now. I thought Dakarai Allen was a great start, but landing one 4 star recruit and one 2/3 star recruit (that is said 4 star recruit's teammate, no less) is in no way saying recruiting hasn't been hurt by the Big West move. The highest-ranked recruit in program history committed to us after we had already committed to Big Lots. And he is going to help us Wins Tons. True story.
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Post by Trujillos & Beer on Oct 14, 2012 16:43:31 GMT -8
I think we can officially put to rest the fallacy that moving to the Big West was going to kill recruiting now. I thought Dakarai Allen was a great start, but landing one 4 star recruit and one 2/3 star recruit (that is said 4 star recruit's teammate, no less) is in no way saying recruiting hasn't been hurt by the Big West move. How many 4 star recruits committed to SDSU before the move to the BW was announced? KL for sure and I think Habel might have been. Since the move to the BW SDSU has a five star, a four star, and a great chance to get another 4/5 star in Hamilton. Recruiting has picked up in spite of the move to Big Lots. Few if any recruits ever committed to SDSU because of MWC affiliation. It's not as good of a conference as everybody likes to think it is. That isn't going to change in the garbage BW.
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Post by nonpostpete on Oct 14, 2012 17:46:45 GMT -8
Back on topic...glad to have D'Erryl on board. Seems like a strong PG and a great addition. Looking forward to him playing alongside Dakarai for several more years.
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Post by killiansc on Oct 14, 2012 17:52:10 GMT -8
Aztec fans called for bigger point guards for years. First X man at 6-2 and now Williams at 6-3.
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Post by azteccc on Oct 14, 2012 18:22:51 GMT -8
I thought Dakarai Allen was a great start, but landing one 4 star recruit and one 2/3 star recruit (that is said 4 star recruit's teammate, no less) is in no way saying recruiting hasn't been hurt by the Big West move. How many 4 star recruits committed to SDSU before the move to the BW was announced? KL for sure and I think Habel might have been. Since the move to the BW SDSU has a five star, a four star, and a great chance to get another 4/5 star in Hamilton. Recruiting has picked up in spite of the move to Big Lots. Few if any recruits ever committed to SDSU because of MWC affiliation. It's not as good of a conference as everybody likes to think it is. That isn't going to change in the garbage BW. the first part of the post is 100% accurate. no arguments. but to your second point, i would direct you towards one lorenzo wade tweet directly after the move. every recruit is different, but if you don't think conference is one of the bigger deciding factors for a lot of kids, well...
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Post by aztecfankrishnan on Oct 14, 2012 18:35:52 GMT -8
I think we can officially put to rest the fallacy that moving to the Big West was going to kill recruiting now. I thought Dakarai Allen was a great start, but landing one 4 star recruit and one 2/3 star recruit (that is said 4 star recruit's teammate, no less) is in no way saying recruiting hasn't been hurt by the Big West move. Enough with the stars man! This kid won the Sacramento Player of the Year award over his more celebrated teammates. He was being recruited by Marquette and Pittsburgh. He is going to move up the recruiting boards and when he gets his 4 stars you can get yourself with all your star fXXXXXX.
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Post by aztecsrule72001 on Oct 14, 2012 18:35:57 GMT -8
Conference might be a bigger factor if you're in a bcs conference (I know there's no bcs in basketball but it still plays a factor) but I don't think it's as big when it's MWC vs BW. Every recruit is different but several programs have shown you can excel regardless of the conference you're in.
You mentioned Wade, he went to a bcs conference school in Louisville and at the time he transferred to SDSU the program wasn't anywhere near where it is today.
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Post by insider on Oct 14, 2012 18:36:29 GMT -8
It isn't. Conference is about 6th-8th on the list unless you are at the big 12/pac 12 this is how bad programs can get decent recruits.
But more important than conference: 1. Coach relationships, nothing is more important in basketball recruiting 2. Program tradition 3. National visibility, this is totally different than conference as schools like St Mary's, Gonzaga, Creighton, and Butler now have it more so. 4. Fan Support 5. Practice facilities/game facilities/weight rooms 6. Location, it does play a big role, especially for parents 7. Playing time. 8. School NBA reputation
So maybe 6th-8th was actually placing too much importance on conference.
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Post by TheSanDiegan on Oct 14, 2012 18:39:28 GMT -8
How many 4 star recruits committed to SDSU before the move to the BW was announced? KL for sure and I think Habel might have been. Since the move to the BW SDSU has a five star, a four star, and a great chance to get another 4/5 star in Hamilton. Recruiting has picked up in spite of the move to Big Lots. Few if any recruits ever committed to SDSU because of MWC affiliation. It's not as good of a conference as everybody likes to think it is. That isn't going to change in the garbage BW. the first part of the post is 100% accurate. no arguments. but to your second point, i would direct you towards one lorenzo wade tweet directly after the move. every recruit is different, but if you don't think conference is one of the bigger deciding factors for a lot of kids, well... I don't think you're picking up what he's laying down. Can you name one recruit who became an Aztec because we play/played in the Molehill?
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Post by ELF on Oct 14, 2012 20:53:08 GMT -8
Oh, I forgot! It's impossible to reasonably argue with anyone here. My bad, that's my fault guys.
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Post by azteccc on Oct 14, 2012 21:22:09 GMT -8
the first part of the post is 100% accurate. no arguments. but to your second point, i would direct you towards one lorenzo wade tweet directly after the move. every recruit is different, but if you don't think conference is one of the bigger deciding factors for a lot of kids, well... I don't think you're picking up what he's laying down. Can you name one recruit who became an Aztec because we play/played in the Molehill? it's not a matter of being there as a positive. it's a matter of leaving being a negative. has any kid ever said "yes! the mountainwest!"?? No. But nobody has said that about the Big East or Pac 10 for that matter. Kids HAVE said, "yikes! the Big West..." It depends on the kid, but as I pointed out Lo Wade said himself he would have never come here if we were in the Big West. That is just one example, it plays into the decision like it or not. Look at any recruiting blog these days, every single coach is using it against us. and that is just dumb. if you think you have some special formula for every recruit you're kidding yourself. every single recruit and their parents would order that list differently. to some kids conference doesn't matter one bit, to others it matters a whole bunch. and i would say when dealing with the top talent we want - more than ""conference"", it is the track record of the conference producing (or failing to produce) nba players.
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Post by TheSanDiegan on Oct 14, 2012 22:25:05 GMT -8
I don't think you're picking up what he's laying down. Can you name one recruit who became an Aztec because we play/played in the Molehill? it's not a matter of being there as a positive. it's a matter of leaving being a negative. has any kid ever said "yes! the mountainwest!"?? No. But nobody has said that about the Big East or Pac 10 for that matter. Kids HAVE said, "yikes! the Big West..." It depends on the kid, but as I pointed out Lo Wade said himself he would have never come here if we were in the Big West. That is just one example, it plays into the decision like it or not. Look at any recruiting blog these days, every single coach is using it against us. So.... the anwer then is no?
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Post by wolfstartec on Oct 15, 2012 7:57:38 GMT -8
williams is a 3 star on scout. If he has a big senior year then they will bump him to a 4-star.
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Post by Fishn'Aztec on Oct 15, 2012 8:06:24 GMT -8
Welcome to The Mesa D'Erryl!
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Post by nonpostpete on Oct 15, 2012 8:08:49 GMT -8
I don't think you're picking up what he's laying down. Can you name one recruit who became an Aztec because we play/played in the Molehill? it's not a matter of being there as a positive. it's a matter of leaving being a negative. has any kid ever said "yes! the mountainwest!"?? No. But nobody has said that about the Big East or Pac 10 for that matter. Kids HAVE said, "yikes! the Big West..." It depends on the kid, but as I pointed out Lo Wade said himself he would have never come here if we were in the Big West. That is just one example, it plays into the decision like it or not. Look at any recruiting blog these days, every single coach is using it against us. and that is just dumb. if you think you have some special formula for every recruit you're kidding yourself. every single recruit and their parents would order that list differently. to some kids conference doesn't matter one bit, to others it matters a whole bunch. and i would say when dealing with the top talent we want - more than ""conference"", it is the track record of the conference producing (or failing to produce) nba players. While I respect the opinions of azteccc and the rest of the gang who enjoy hijacking every basketball thread to utter their repeated prognostications of doom for the bball program as it heads to the Big West, my own opinion is...enough is enough. We got it. No need to tell us for the 1000th time. Some of us respectfully disagree and see the potential for a Gonzaga-like experience, but let's just leave it at that, two separate opinions and no one from one camp is apparently going to convince the other camp. If I had my wish, the moderators would start a new forum for Big West arguments and the two sides could repeat themselves ad nauseam over there. Unfortunately, it is both counter-productive and potentially a self-fulfilling prophecy if all recruiting threads become hijacked with discussions about how the bball program will not be as successful in the new conference. This is a thread to discuss a PG recruit who seems to fit the mold of some of the other past recruiting gems, a talented player who has not yet gotten the 4 star treatment in the national recruiting ranks, but who has shown signs of having that kind of talent. Further, he is a good student, plays on a team that should be a big winner this coming season and is a teammate of the top 100 recruit who previously committed. All positive and exciting things to talk about as Aztec fans. Please leave the irrelevant, negative talk about conference affiliation to some other forum.
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Post by fatmanaztec on Oct 15, 2012 8:18:49 GMT -8
nonpost...that has to be one if not the best psot on not only the BW continual beat down by a vocal minority, but more so about D'Erryl and his 'COMMITMENT' to be an Aztec for Life....thank you.
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Post by iambballanalyst on Oct 15, 2012 8:26:23 GMT -8
it's not a matter of being there as a positive. it's a matter of leaving being a negative. has any kid ever said "yes! the mountainwest!"?? No. But nobody has said that about the Big East or Pac 10 for that matter. Kids HAVE said, "yikes! the Big West..." It depends on the kid, but as I pointed out Lo Wade said himself he would have never come here if we were in the Big West. That is just one example, it plays into the decision like it or not. Look at any recruiting blog these days, every single coach is using it against us. and that is just dumb. if you think you have some special formula for every recruit you're kidding yourself. every single recruit and their parents would order that list differently. to some kids conference doesn't matter one bit, to others it matters a whole bunch. and i would say when dealing with the top talent we want - more than ""conference"", it is the track record of the conference producing (or failing to produce) nba players. While I respect the opinions of azteccc and the rest of the gang who enjoy hijacking every basketball thread to utter their repeated prognostications of doom for the bball program as it heads to the Big West, my own opinion is...enough is enough. We got it. No need to tell us for the 1000th time. Some of us respectfully disagree and see the potential for a Gonzaga-like experience, but let's just leave it at that, two separate opinions and no one from one camp is apparently going to convince the other camp. If I had my wish, the moderators would start a new forum for Big West arguments and the two sides could repeat themselves ad nauseam over there. Unfortunately, it is both counter-productive and potentially a self-fulfilling prophecy if all recruiting threads become hijacked with discussions about how the bball program will not be as successful in the new conference. This is a thread to discuss a PG recruit who seems to fit the mold of some of the other past recruiting gems, a talented player who has not yet gotten the 4 star treatment in the national recruiting ranks, but who has shown signs of having that kind of talent. Further, he is a good student, plays on a team that should be a big winner this coming season and is a teammate of the top 100 recruit who previously committed. All positive and exciting things to talk about as Aztec fans. Please leave the irrelevant, negative talk about conference affiliation to some other forum. I don't think the Big West will hurt SDSU one bit. It's a guaranteed trip to the NCAA tournament, possible hosting of the conference tournament at Viejas every year, and the ability to schedule big time programs. It will be a negative talking point for rival schools were recruiting against, but all that will go away once we get there and we're still kicking ass.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2012 10:40:45 GMT -8
It isn't. Conference is about 6th-8th on the list unless you are at the big 12/pac 12 this is how bad programs can get decent recruits. But more important than conference: 1. Coach relationships, nothing is more important in basketball recruiting 2. Program tradition 3. National visibility, this is totally different than conference as schools like St Mary's, Gonzaga, Creighton, and Butler now have it more so. 4. Fan Support 5. Practice facilities/game facilities/weight rooms 6. Location, it does play a big role, especially for parents 7. Playing time. 8. School NBA reputation So maybe 6th-8th was actually placing too much importance on conference. This is all your opinion and nothing else.
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Post by insider on Oct 15, 2012 10:52:31 GMT -8
It isn't. Conference is about 6th-8th on the list unless you are at the big 12/pac 12 this is how bad programs can get decent recruits. But more important than conference: 1. Coach relationships, nothing is more important in basketball recruiting 2. Program tradition 3. National visibility, this is totally different than conference as schools like St Mary's, Gonzaga, Creighton, and Butler now have it more so. 4. Fan Support 5. Practice facilities/game facilities/weight rooms 6. Location, it does play a big role, especially for parents 7. Playing time. 8. School NBA reputation So maybe 6th-8th was actually placing too much importance on conference. This is all your opinion and nothing else. And basic logic.
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