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Post by cvtower on Oct 5, 2012 22:35:08 GMT -8
...on the Latu twins (to Arizona State) and Scott Quissenberry (to UCLA)? Serious question and just wondering what you all think. These were both winnable games. Plus, recruits like to see teams who beat the big boys and that didn't happen at Seattle. But my question is mainly focused towards the last 2 losses
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Post by k5james on Oct 6, 2012 0:44:01 GMT -8
No. Crappy fan support, thus atmosphere, lack of tradition, etc. had more to do with it than anything.
Until we win big, we aren't going to be able to overcome street "agents" pushing kids towards power conference schools very often.
That's why we need our staff to continue to dig for under the radar guys that they can groom to be players.
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Post by 78aztec82 on Oct 6, 2012 3:12:07 GMT -8
No. Crappy fan support, thus atmosphere, lack of tradition, etc. had more to do with it than anything. Until we win big, we aren't going to be able to overcome street "agents" pushing kids towards power conference schools very often. That's why we need our staff to continue to dig for under the radar guys that they can groom to be players. I fully agree. Fair weather fans are a huge part of it. So much was made of the Aztec Curse in the last 20 years but mostly it was their rapid descent to negativity, not going to games, etc. as soon we have a bad loss or two. That then is compounded by the team hearing/ feeling it and then they too lose heart. We are trying to push that cycle again now. It's our fans that get punched in the nose and run to the beach first. Sent from my DROID RAZR using proboards
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Post by laaztec on Oct 6, 2012 6:49:37 GMT -8
SDSU is a Basketball school now.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2012 6:53:38 GMT -8
SDSU is a Basketball school now. Our conference realignment would clearly refute that. We literally can't afford to just be a "basketball school"
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Post by laaztec on Oct 6, 2012 6:56:39 GMT -8
SDSU is a Basketball school now. Our conference realignment would clearly refute that. We literally can't afford to just be a "basketball school" What I mean is that SDSU is now know for it's basketball rather than it's football. I am a football fan but I don't care which sport SDSU is nationally known for as long at we are a consistent Top 25 program in one of the two main sports.
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Post by Fishn'Aztec on Oct 6, 2012 7:06:59 GMT -8
SDSU is a Basketball school now. With only a FB team in a basketball conference.
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Post by Azthetic on Oct 6, 2012 7:47:48 GMT -8
There is no secret formula....win and they will come.
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Post by 78aztec82 on Oct 6, 2012 8:47:04 GMT -8
There is no secret formula....win and they will come. Lose and they go away... Consistent fan support, even in down/rebuilding years helps winning and program strength. We've never had that in San Diego. Sent from my DROID RAZR using proboards
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Post by ucsdaztec on Oct 6, 2012 9:36:46 GMT -8
I pose this as an honest question, not trying to cause a firestorm: why would any recruit choose SDSU over a Pac-10 school? With the exception of Wazzu.
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Post by ucsdaztec on Oct 6, 2012 9:42:34 GMT -8
Sorry Pac-12
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Post by chicobeanr on Oct 6, 2012 9:55:29 GMT -8
SDSU is a Basketball school now. With only a FB team in a basketball conference. Besides tonight due to skyshow, if SDSU Basketball played at qualcomm they would have more fans there than a football game....We have bad luck with head coaches in football and the one good one left to Michigan....So yeah right now we are a Basketball school./... Rumor is that football recruits are going to attened MIDNIGHT MADNESS. Have to use basketball setting to attract recruits. Would you take them to a football game to help them decide?
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Post by montyismyhomie on Oct 6, 2012 10:23:55 GMT -8
I pose this as an honest question, not trying to cause a firestorm: why would any recruit choose SDSU over a Pac-10 school? With the exception of Wazzu. If you actually took a minute or two to think about it there are several reasons. -living in san diego is way better than most of the cities in the Pac. -CU is more garbage than wazzu -your family lives in sd and you want them to be able to attend as many games as possible. -chance to get on the field sooner if playing time is what matters to a kid.
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Post by Azthetic on Oct 6, 2012 10:30:18 GMT -8
There is no secret formula....win and they will come. Lose and they go away... Consistent fan support, even in down/rebuilding years helps winning and program strength. We've never had that in San Diego. Sent from my DROID RAZR using proboards You have to win something at sometime in order to get consistent support. At least the fans can remember the day when it all came together and a championship was won. We haven't had that in San Diego, because the teams have never done it on a big stage. Not in my lifetime anyway. People want to be associated with a winner and not a perennial loser who makes excuses. I love the Aztecs through and through, but the football team is a tough sell when they lose the way they have throughout the past 20+ years. Nobody can fix the problem until the football team wins consistently. Look at the Poinsettia Bowl as an example of how people will come out of the woodwork to support even a slight hint of a winner. Unfortunately, the Aztecs did not capitalize fully last season. Loss at Michigan killed. Weak performances at home vs. Boise and TCU and the kick in the nuts that was Wyoming. Momentum gained from the Poinsettia Bowl season is now gone in the community. Look at basketball and a sold out season. People will turn out to support a winner. Blaming the fans for the lack of results on the field is a bad excuse.
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Post by Old School on Oct 6, 2012 12:05:40 GMT -8
First, it's not that hard to get into Arizona State and secondly, UCLA is close enough for the parents and far enough for the kids.
There will be other kids on Rocky's recruiting radar. There always is.
Oldie Out
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Post by 78aztec82 on Oct 6, 2012 12:06:11 GMT -8
Lose and they go away... Consistent fan support, even in down/rebuilding years helps winning and program strength. We've never had that in San Diego. Sent from my DROID RAZR using proboards You have to win something at sometime in order to get consistent support. At least the fans can remember the day when it all came together and a championship was won. We haven't had that in San Diego, because the teams have never done it on a big stage. Not in my lifetime anyway. People want to be associated with a winner and not a perennial loser who makes excuses. I love the Aztecs through and through, but the football team is a tough sell when they lose the way they have throughout the past 20+ years. Nobody can fix the problem until the football team wins consistently. Look at the Poinsettia Bowl as an example of how people will come out of the woodwork to support even a slight hint of a winner. Unfortunately, the Aztecs did not capitalize fully last season. Loss at Michigan killed. Weak performances at home vs. Boise and TCU and the kick in the nuts that was Wyoming. Momentum gained from the Poinsettia Bowl season is now gone in the community. Look at basketball and a sold out season. People will turn out to support a winner. Blaming the fans for the lack of results on the field is a bad excuse. Leave southern California. See what support is like. We don't have it sadly. Great Fans are a critical component to a real program, not "win and we will come, lose and we'll go negative fast" fans as you have in SD. Sent from my DROID RAZR using proboards
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Post by insider on Oct 6, 2012 12:12:31 GMT -8
You have to win something at sometime in order to get consistent support. At least the fans can remember the day when it all came together and a championship was won. We haven't had that in San Diego, because the teams have never done it on a big stage. Not in my lifetime anyway. People want to be associated with a winner and not a perennial loser who makes excuses. I love the Aztecs through and through, but the football team is a tough sell when they lose the way they have throughout the past 20+ years. Nobody can fix the problem until the football team wins consistently. Look at the Poinsettia Bowl as an example of how people will come out of the woodwork to support even a slight hint of a winner. Unfortunately, the Aztecs did not capitalize fully last season. Loss at Michigan killed. Weak performances at home vs. Boise and TCU and the kick in the nuts that was Wyoming. Momentum gained from the Poinsettia Bowl season is now gone in the community. Look at basketball and a sold out season. People will turn out to support a winner. Blaming the fans for the lack of results on the field is a bad excuse. Leave southern California. See what support is like. We don't have it sadly. Great Fans are a critical component to a real program, not "win and we will come, lose and we'll go negative fast" fans as you have in SD. Sent from my DROID RAZR using proboards How many programs had 10+ years straight of losing? Given SDSU's circumstance the support has been fine. Rocky is a poor in game coach and there are other fun things to do in San Diego, why go? This isn't Wyoming. Basically you are saying a bad product should be supported. SDSU had a higher attendance than the likes of Cal, AFA, TCU, Boise, and Cincy. A mediocre team with very little tradition finishing in the middle of the pack in attendance is decent.
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Post by 78aztec82 on Oct 6, 2012 12:39:35 GMT -8
Leave southern California. See what support is like. We don't have it sadly. Great Fans are a critical component to a real program, not "win and we will come, lose and we'll go negative fast" fans as you have in SD. Sent from my DROID RAZR using proboards How many programs had 10+ years straight of losing? Given SDSU's circumstance the support has been fine. Rocky is a poor in game coach and there are other fun things to do in San Diego, why go? This isn't Wyoming. Basically you are saying a bad product should be supported. SDSU had a higher attendance than the likes of Cal, AFA, TCU, Boise, and Cincy. A mediocre team with very little tradition finishing in the middle of the pack in attendance is decent. chicken/egg. Support making it better by pressuring the admins, don't bag on the team. We don't understand that dynamic. Look now, a perfect example, the amount of venom and quitting already is emblematic of our weak-ass fandom. We are part of the problem. Sent from my DROID RAZR using proboards
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Post by myownwords on Oct 6, 2012 12:56:52 GMT -8
How many programs had 10+ years straight of losing? Given SDSU's circumstance the support has been fine. Rocky is a poor in game coach and there are other fun things to do in San Diego, why go? This isn't Wyoming. Basically you are saying a bad product should be supported. SDSU had a higher attendance than the likes of Cal, AFA, TCU, Boise, and Cincy. A mediocre team with very little tradition finishing in the middle of the pack in attendance is decent. chicken/egg. Support making it better by pressuring the admins, don't bag on the team. We don't understand that dynamic. Look now, a perfect example, the amount of venom and quitting already is emblematic of our weak-ass fandom. We are part of the problem. Sent from my DROID RAZR using proboards We just disagree strongly. Let's go all the way back to the origin of football. Do you suppose that some school just built a stadium saying, "Okay students and residents let's fill it up and show the team---players and coaches to be named later---that we really really love you." ? Or is it more likely that they started the sport and virtually no one showed up to watch at first. Then as the team won more often than not, it created more and more fans? Then bigger and newer stadiums?
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Post by ucsdaztec on Oct 6, 2012 12:59:41 GMT -8
I pose this as an honest question, not trying to cause a firestorm: why would any recruit choose SDSU over a Pac-10 school? With the exception of Wazzu. If you actually took a minute or two to think about it there are several reasons. -living in san diego is way better than most of the cities in the Pac. -CU is more garbage than wazzu -your family lives in sd and you want them to be able to attend as many games as possible. -chance to get on the field sooner if playing time is what matters to a kid. Football recruits dont make decisions based on weather and city life. The on campus and the stadium atmospheres are much more important
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