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Post by myownwords on Oct 2, 2012 6:49:53 GMT -8
To me it's pretty simple and these numbers indicate how crazy the fire Rocky contingent is: Doug Scovil 1981-85, .432 Denny Stolz 1986-88, .457 Al Luginbill 1989-93, .534 Ted Tollner 1994-01, .473 Tom Craft 2002-05, .396 Chuck Long 2006-08, .250 Brady Hoke 2009–2011, .520 Rocky Long 2011-present, .555 Best winning % as a coach since Claude Gilbert who was let go in 1980 (32 years). Yet for some reason you all think Coach Long should miraculously turn this team into USC in 1 1/4 years. In his next act he is going to walk on water. No, the "expectation" was that he would at least do no harm. That hasn't worked out so well, with his current regresstration. (I know it's not a word, but it felt right.)
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Post by halfnip on Oct 2, 2012 8:11:28 GMT -8
Monty, thanks for your question. After several pages it appears that no one can give a substantive reason or reasons for Rocky to stay. Lot's of emotional barbs and blasts against, but no logic. And how about this as a follow up? Rocky lost several coaches within his first 18 months. Remember Dan Finn? Then the S&C coach, Joey Boese,leaves and goes to Fresno? FRESNO? That didn't work out so well for us. Seems that he understood and brought better "toughness" to Fresno than we managed. But the big question is WHY did they leave? I think Rocky is telling us in his own slow anemic way. They obviously knew that the Emperor had no clothes. This is a good point. I've also wondered about why coaches seem to either bolt fairly quickly or flat out turn down the opportunity to be on Rocky's staff. Maybe it's a moot point, but if I recall Rocky did reach out to a few folks for the DC position and neither accepted it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2012 9:21:28 GMT -8
To me it's pretty easy and these numbers indicate how crazy you all are: Doug Scovil 1981-85, .432 Denny Stolz 1986-88, .457 Al Luginbill 1989-93, .534 Ted Tollner 1994-01, .473 Tom Craft 2002-05, .396 Chuck Long 2006-08, .250 Brady Hoke 2009–2011, .520 Rocky Long 2011-present, .555 Best winning % as a coach since Claude Gilbert who was let go in 1980 (32 years). Yet for some reason you all think Coach Long is mariculously turn this team into USC in 1 1/4 years. great post Interesting. As I keep saying, Rocky reminds me of a hard working Ted Tollner. Deduct Ted's last three years when SteveEM and others have said he retired on the job and Ted's winning percentage was .552.
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Post by myownwords on Oct 2, 2012 9:25:44 GMT -8
Interesting. As I keep saying, Rocky reminds me of a hard working Ted Tollner. Deduct Ted's last three years when SteveEM and others have said he retired on the job and Ted's winning percentage was .552. SDSU sure knows how to pick football coaches, yes? Don't let 'm pick your chicken---you'll get food poisoning.
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Post by bschmurda on Oct 2, 2012 9:31:44 GMT -8
If Rocky can some how go 8-4 and with a win at Boise or Nevada he should be retained
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Post by myownwords on Oct 2, 2012 10:00:37 GMT -8
If Rocky can some how go 8-4 and with a win at Boise or Nevada he should be retained If buzzards flew backwards, would they have different wings?
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Post by aztecfankrishnan on Oct 2, 2012 10:15:49 GMT -8
To me it's pretty simple and these numbers indicate how crazy the fire Rocky contingent is: Doug Scovil 1981-85, .432 Denny Stolz 1986-88, .457 Al Luginbill 1989-93, .534 Ted Tollner 1994-01, .473 Tom Craft 2002-05, .396 Chuck Long 2006-08, .250 Brady Hoke 2009–2011, .520 Rocky Long 2011-present, .555 Best winning % as a coach since Claude Gilbert who was let go in 1980 (32 years). Yet for some reason you all think Coach Long should miraculously turn this team into USC in 1 1/4 years. In his next act he is going to walk on water. No, the "expectation" was that he would at least do no harm. That hasn't worked out so well, with his current regresstration. (I know it's not a work, but it felt right.) Regressed from what? From 32 years of futility? Given the winning percentages I listed, you can not logically argue that 10-8 record is a regression. Has any coach in the history of college football ever been able to turn around such a morbid program from a marginal conference in only 2 years? I can't think of any. What makes you think the next guy will do any better? Chris Peterson is not walking through that door anytime soon. This is why I find so many posters on this board delusional. Hoke never beat anyone team of note either when he was here, and he benefited greatly from some great athletes that were leftover in the program that he did not recruit. Sadly for Rocky almost all of those guys are gone now and Hoke did not recruit well in his two years here.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2012 10:46:00 GMT -8
Monty, thanks for your question. After several pages it appears that no one can give a substantive reason or reasons for Rocky to stay. Lot's of emotional barbs and blasts against, but no logic. And how about this as a follow up? Rocky lost several coaches within his first 18 months. Remember Dan Finn? Then the S&C coach, Joey Boese,leaves and goes to Fresno? FRESNO? That didn't work out so well for us. Seems that he understood and brought better "toughness" to Fresno than we managed. But the big question is WHY did they leave? I think Rocky is telling us in his own slow anemic way. They obviously knew that the Emperor had no clothes. This discussion is similar to a political one. Those on one side think they are being logical and those on the other feel the same way. I am not calling you out in particular, it's just that your post allowed the lead in to the statement. Often times if a person feels his point of view is logical he thinks the other side is emotional and without any logic. It seems to me for the most part both sides use subjective facts and many are wildly emotional. The bottom line is that it is a subjective issue. The many threads on the topic apparently offer hours of fun for some people so have at it even though it seems like a huge waste of time to me (and please don't bother with the 'don't read them'- I am simply commenting, the same as you are, it's just that you disagree with my opinion.)
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Post by aztech on Oct 2, 2012 11:03:50 GMT -8
This is why I find so many posters on this board delusional. Hoke never beat anyone team of note either when he was here, and he benefited greatly from some great athletes that were leftover in the program that he did not recruit. Sadly for Rocky almost all of those guys are gone now and Hoke did not recruit well in his two years here.What makes you think Hoke didn't recruit well? The redshirt frosh on this team are his class. Nobody knows how good or bad they are at this point. If anything you need to ask yourself whether they're being coached up by Long's staff, specifically the defensive side. There is no doubt in my mind that Hoke's staff coached up.
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Post by sancarlosaztec on Oct 2, 2012 11:09:30 GMT -8
So I have tried to stay away from this topic as emotion and frustruation levels are high after losses to two old in-state rivals and the dissappointments last year (Wyoming & ULL). However, with all the talk about firing Rocky I think I want to mention this. There is something that has bothered me since Hoke left and I think it is a point to be considered when searching for answers to why we are currently playing such bad football. Of course, it is purely speculation on my part. Let me know if you think there might be some truth. It seems to me that since Hoke left for Michigan our football program has been run on the cheap. Rocky was selected to replace Hoke. I think Rocky was very grateful for such an opportunity after resigning at UNM. He may not have objected much if he had been given less than what he needed to fill out a complete staff of appropriate skill and experience. Why else would he still not have a DC? Why do we have a recent GA as OL Coach? Is Adam Hall qualified (he might be. I don't know) to be the S&C coach? Are these guys or any of the position coaches the same ones Rocky would have picked given the $$$'s? I think SDSU has put the football program on cruise control until additional funds are realized from the move to the Big East. If this is the case then I hope Rocky is given the opportunity to build the program once the resources are available. I doubt the reason we don't have a DC is because there isn't enough money. I think it's more because in this one way, Rocky is unfortunately similar to Tom Craft. Both have egos huge enough to think they can be both a HC and a coordinator like Pete Carroll was at USC and everything will be hunky dory. Well, it's much easier to wear both hats when everybody on your offense could start on any other team in the country as was the case for Carroll. That said, I think you're correct about everything else. I'm not going to go to the trouble but I'll bet if you added up the total years of college coaching of this staff, HC excluded, and compared it to the total years of the staff Hoke had, this staff has half as much experience. Maybe not enough that. Why? Well, I can only conclude what you have, that for some reason, Sterk has cheaped out and given Rocky a lot less money to work with than Hoke was given. Since, as William said, there continue to be redundant threads, I'll continue to be redundant here and reiterate what I've said elsewhere. Rocky is not going to get fired at the end of this year so the only way he won't be back in 2013 is if he resigns. And his return is perfectly fine with me IF he goes to Sterk for more money to hire some better assistants and shows a few of them the door before we move to the BE. Well, I'm not sure which it is either (Ego vs Budget), and I guess I prefer that it be budget. At least there might be a logical explanation for going cheap temporarily. Not saying I'd agree with the decision, but if it is ego then IMO it is indefensible. Agree that if Rocky is given the option of returning he must demand the best staff available to hire. So Rocky needs to decide to commit fully to either being a head coach or a defensive coordinator. If he chooses to be HC then he simply must hire a strong DC. Let that coach take first level responsibility and accountability for the performance of defensive unit. That gives Rocky the flexibility to make changes when performance is out of wack with expectations. IMO Rocky needs that abstraction and the flexibility it provides if he is to make our football program a success.
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Post by insider on Oct 2, 2012 12:26:10 GMT -8
Hoke also didn't have this program going backwords.
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Post by MarshallU on Oct 2, 2012 12:29:15 GMT -8
Hoke also didn't have this program going backwords. +1
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Post by montyismyhomie on Oct 2, 2012 12:31:57 GMT -8
Hoke also didn't have this program going backwords. oh yeh cause Hoke beat sooooooo many powerhouses while he was here.
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Post by montyismyhomie on Oct 2, 2012 12:32:29 GMT -8
Hoke also didn't have this program going backwords. +1 -2 one for each of you
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Post by sancarlosaztec on Oct 2, 2012 14:00:07 GMT -8
Hoke also didn't have this program going backwords. oh yeh cause Hoke beat sooooooo many powerhouses while he was here. There was a undeniable sense of momentum and optimism building while Hoke was HC. It was only a matter of time before we beat somebody notable.
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Post by aztecx on Oct 2, 2012 14:13:25 GMT -8
Good thing we showed more patience with Steve Fisher He would've been fired multiple times by now with this logic. There have been seasons, we regressed in hoops, even after NCAA appearances. I remember reading all the negative nellies saying he'd never build anything here. This
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Post by montyismyhomie on Oct 2, 2012 15:00:22 GMT -8
oh yeh cause Hoke beat sooooooo many powerhouses while he was here. There was a undeniable sense of momentum and optimism building while Hoke was HC. It was only a matter of time before we beat somebody notable. you do realize that your statement is an opinion and not fact right?
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