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Post by aztecmaverick on Oct 1, 2012 13:39:33 GMT -8
My background: Fpr the Aztecs I worked marketing, equipment, tutoring and eventually was an assistant to Ed White when he was the Offensive Line coach for Craft.
As a defensive schemer, i can say that the 3-3-5 defense that the Lobos ran along with their personnel and coaching always scared Coach White (a 17 year NFL vet and one of the greatest Olinemen who also coached in the NFL).
As a hard-nosed, no-nonsense kind of coach who cares about tradition (all of which we can see through the media) I like it.
As a recruiter, we can see by the quality of recruits that he is doing a good job.
As someone who wants to be here long term, it is obvious that he does from all of his statements (more so than other candidates who just give it lip service).
Now as a motivator... Obviously, the players are not playing to their potential on a consistent basis. Hard to say if that is Rocky's fault or the individual position coaches. But ultimately, Rocky is where the buck stops.
But at what point do we change? Do we know of BETTER options that want to stay here long term?
I guess at this point it is moot because we could win out and then everyone would be happy.
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Post by Strawberry Puppy Kisses on Oct 1, 2012 13:43:30 GMT -8
It's simple. If we're improving, we're moving in the right direction. You cannot say that we've been improving game to game or from last season to this season. Although some may be going a bit overboard, I do not see how you can argue there should be concern and SOMETHING needs to change. Does this mean he needs to be fired? It could simply mean that they do something different in preparation, during the game, I don't know. But something needs to be done because whatever we've been doing obviously isn't working. Good thing we showed more patience with Steve Fisher He would've been fired multiple times by now with this logic. There have been seasons, we regressed in hoops, even after NCAA appearances. I remember reading all the negative nellies saying he'd never build anything here. I don't agree that this is a fair comparison. And what there is to actually consider shows a trend of moving in the right direction under Fisher. While it takes time to build a program on both ends, the effects of not getting that one recruit aren't nearly as severe. With such a soft schedule, all the signals are there that SDSU will need change going into the BE.
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Post by AztecWilliam on Oct 1, 2012 13:44:29 GMT -8
I've spouted off on this topic so much I could type my response in my sleep. I'll take another shot.
Rocky Long will not be fired at the end of this season. Please reflect on that. HE WILL NOT BE FIRED! Barring some unforeseen event (Rocky has a serious health problem perhaps?), Rocky will be here in '13. Look, the university is not going to go for a third head coach in four seasons. Not when our current coach had an 8-5 season just a year ago. Also, it seems likely that, at worst, our Aztecs will finish around .500. That would put R Long way above the record of C Long, and the latter was given three years.
Furthermore, who would be the new coach? Can we hire a Brady Hoke clone? That would be a crap shoot. And, if memory serves me correctly, there were more than a few fans who thought Brady was less than a scintillating hire. We certainly are not going to get an Urban Meyer or Rich Rodriguez. (We could have hired Terry Bowden, but that did not work out.)
But should he be fired? That's a different question, and one that cannot be answered until the season is over. If the team just collapses and we win only 3 or 4 games, then perhaps our AD should look around for someone who would be a significant upgrade. The problem here, as I see it, is that Rocky Long actually is a good coach. Give the man three really big, fast, experienced D-linemen and I think we would be 4-1 now. In other words, our disappointing streak can be attributed more to inadequate personnel than to coaching incompetence.
I am by no means convinced that Rocky will be the man to get the program to a level at which 8-10 win seasons are the norm. But I am also convinced that this is not, as are some of the elite schools, an institution that can afford to throw out a coach after just two years.
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Post by sancarlosaztec on Oct 1, 2012 14:13:53 GMT -8
So I have tried to stay away from this topic as emotion and frustruation levels are high after losses to two old in-state rivals and the dissappointments last year (Wyoming & ULL). However, with all the talk about firing Rocky I think I want to mention this.
There is something that has bothered me since Hoke left and I think it is a point to be considered when searching for answers to why we are currently playing such bad football. Of course, it is purely speculation on my part. Let me know if you think there might be some truth.
It seems to me that since Hoke left for Michigan our football program has been run on the cheap.
Rocky was selected to replace Hoke. I think Rocky was very grateful for such an opportunity after resigning at UNM. He may not have objected much if he had been given less than what he needed to fill out a complete staff of appropriate skill and experience.
Why else would he still not have a DC? Why do we have a recent GA as OL Coach? Is Adam Hall qualified (he might be. I don't know) to be the S&C coach? Are these guys or any of the position coaches the same ones Rocky would have picked given the $$$'s?
I think SDSU has put the football program on cruise control until additional funds are realized from the move to the Big East.
If this is the case then I hope Rocky is given the opportunity to build the program once the resources are available.
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Post by Morpheus on Oct 1, 2012 14:20:42 GMT -8
Because we are 5 games into the season at 2-3 and haven't had a "bad" loss dispite what some on here define as a bad loss. Team is still playing for the coach. No AD is going to fire a 2-3 coach coming off a winning season, five games into a season with a legitmate shot of going to a bowl in the current season.
This is a joke.
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Post by montyismyhomie on Oct 1, 2012 14:58:25 GMT -8
Because we are 5 games into the season at 2-3 and haven't had a "bad" loss dispite what some on here define as a bad loss. Team is still playing for the coach. No AD is going to fire a 2-3 coach coming off a winning season, five games into a season with a legitmate shot of going to a bowl in the current season.This is a joke. Absolutely agree with this. When you settle down and think rationally, this should be the conclusion.
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Post by sdsustoner on Oct 1, 2012 15:12:38 GMT -8
Because we are 5 games into the season at 2-3 and haven't had a "bad" loss dispite what some on here define as a bad loss. Team is still playing for the coach. No AD is going to fire a 2-3 coach coming off a winning season, five games into a season with a legitmate shot of going to a bowl in the current season.This is a joke. Absolutely agree with this. When you settle down and think rationally, this should be the conclusion. This ^^^^
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2012 15:31:28 GMT -8
So I have tried to stay away from this topic as emotion and frustruation levels are high after losses to two old in-state rivals and the dissappointments last year (Wyoming & ULL). However, with all the talk about firing Rocky I think I want to mention this. There is something that has bothered me since Hoke left and I think it is a point to be considered when searching for answers to why we are currently playing such bad football. Of course, it is purely speculation on my part. Let me know if you think there might be some truth. It seems to me that since Hoke left for Michigan our football program has been run on the cheap. Rocky was selected to replace Hoke. I think Rocky was very grateful for such an opportunity after resigning at UNM. He may not have objected much if he had been given less than what he needed to fill out a complete staff of appropriate skill and experience. Why else would he still not have a DC? Why do we have a recent GA as OL Coach? Is Adam Hall qualified (he might be. I don't know) to be the S&C coach? Are these guys or any of the position coaches the same ones Rocky would have picked given the $$$'s? I think SDSU has put the football program on cruise control until additional funds are realized from the move to the Big East. If this is the case then I hope Rocky is given the opportunity to build the program once the resources are available. I doubt the reason we don't have a DC is because there isn't enough money. I think it's more because in this one way, Rocky is unfortunately similar to Tom Craft. Both have egos huge enough to think they can be both a HC and a coordinator like Pete Carroll was at USC and everything will be hunky dory. Well, it's much easier to wear both hats when everybody on your offense could start on any other team in the country as was the case for Carroll. That said, I think you're correct about everything else. I'm not going to go to the trouble but I'll bet if you added up the total years of college coaching of this staff, HC excluded, and compared it to the total years of the staff Hoke had, this staff has half as much experience. Maybe not enough that. Why? Well, I can only conclude what you have, that for some reason, Sterk has cheaped out and given Rocky a lot less money to work with than Hoke was given. Since, as William said, there continue to be redundant threads, I'll continue to be redundant here and reiterate what I've said elsewhere. Rocky is not going to get fired at the end of this year so the only way he won't be back in 2013 is if he resigns. And his return is perfectly fine with me IF he goes to Sterk for more money to hire some better assistants and shows a few of them the door before we move to the BE.
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Post by halfnip on Oct 1, 2012 20:10:59 GMT -8
It's simple. If we're improving, we're moving in the right direction. You cannot say that we've been improving game to game or from last season to this season. Although some may be going a bit overboard, I do not see how you can argue there should be concern and SOMETHING needs to change. Does this mean he needs to be fired? It could simply mean that they do something different in preparation, during the game, I don't know. But something needs to be done because whatever we've been doing obviously isn't working. Good thing we showed more patience with Steve Fisher He would've been fired multiple times by now with this logic. There have been seasons, we regressed in hoops, even after NCAA appearances. I remember reading all the negative nellies saying he'd never build anything here. Stoner, you're comparing Rocky to a hall of fame all time great coach in his field. Not even close to a comparison. If someone that's "done it before" comes in an absolutely blows, you're going to be more patient based on his rep. I'm just saying SOMETHING has got to change.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2012 20:20:53 GMT -8
Let's resume these conversations at years end. Rocky has a shot to turn this season around.
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Post by uncledougy on Oct 1, 2012 21:15:23 GMT -8
Let's resume these conversations at years end. Rocky has a shot to turn this season around. Waiting is all we can do....in the meantime, I just get a heavy bag and some gloves and whenever this season gets frustrating just go out and hit the bag for a while. By the end of the season I will be in the best shape of my life! There's a positive!
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Post by Simsonic on Oct 1, 2012 21:22:04 GMT -8
Love the players. Dislike the coaches style. Try something different. Play some music. Get players input. Something. 75-76 as a head coach. Will he all of a sudden wave a magic wand and become better than average? Nope. Rocky is gone in two years unless he changes.
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Post by nctyaztec on Oct 1, 2012 21:33:09 GMT -8
Let's resume these conversations at years end. Rocky has a shot to turn this season around. Waiting is all we can do....in the meantime, I just get a heavy bag and some gloves and whenever this season gets frustrating just go out and hit the bag for a while. By the end of the season I will be in the best shape of my life! There's a positive! Haha... The bag may be busted up before the end of the season.
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Post by aztecfankrishnan on Oct 1, 2012 22:00:28 GMT -8
To me it's pretty simple and these numbers indicate how crazy the fire Rocky contingent is:
Doug Scovil 1981-85, .432 Denny Stolz 1986-88, .457 Al Luginbill 1989-93, .534 Ted Tollner 1994-01, .473 Tom Craft 2002-05, .396 Chuck Long 2006-08, .250 Brady Hoke 2009–2011, .520 Rocky Long 2011-present, .555
Best winning % as a coach since Claude Gilbert who was let go in 1980 (32 years). Yet for some reason you all think Coach Long should miraculously turn this team into USC in 1 1/4 years. In his next act he is going to walk on water.
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Post by killiansc on Oct 1, 2012 22:02:05 GMT -8
To me it's pretty easy and these numbers indicate how crazy you all are: Doug Scovil 1981-85, .432 Denny Stolz 1986-88, .457 Al Luginbill 1989-93, .534 Ted Tollner 1994-01, .473 Tom Craft 2002-05, .396 Chuck Long 2006-08, .250 Brady Hoke 2009–2011, .520 Rocky Long 2011-present, .555 Best winning % as a coach since Claude Gilbert who was let go in 1980 (32 years). Yet for some reason you all think Coach Long is mariculously turn this team into USC in 1 1/4 years. great post
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Post by insider on Oct 1, 2012 22:29:30 GMT -8
Let's resume these conversations at years end. Rocky has a shot to turn this season around. And when this program ends the season 7-5 will you say he turned it around cause we beat no one?
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Post by insider on Oct 1, 2012 22:30:35 GMT -8
To me it's pretty simple and these numbers indicate how crazy the fire Rocky contingent is: Doug Scovil 1981-85, .432 Denny Stolz 1986-88, .457 Al Luginbill 1989-93, .534 Ted Tollner 1994-01, .473 Tom Craft 2002-05, .396 Chuck Long 2006-08, .250 Brady Hoke 2009–2011, .520 Rocky Long 2011-present, .555 Best winning % as a coach since Claude Gilbert who was let go in 1980 (32 years). Yet for some reason you all think Coach Long should miraculously turn this team into USC in 1 1/4 years. In his next act he is going to walk on water. Rocky Long is 1-8 against teams with a pulse. I'm sure there are plenty of SDSU coaches that did better than that.
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Post by myownwords on Oct 2, 2012 5:32:32 GMT -8
Monty, thanks for your question. After several pages it appears that no one can give a substantive reason or reasons for Rocky to stay. Lot's of emotional barbs and blasts against, but no logic. And how about this as a follow up? Rocky lost several coaches within his first 18 months. Remember Dan Finn? Then the S&C coach, Joey Boese,leaves and goes to Fresno? FRESNO? That didn't work out so well for us. Seems that he understood and brought better "toughness" to Fresno than we managed. But the big question is WHY did they leave? I think Rocky is telling us in his own slow anemic way. They obviously knew that the Emperor had no clothes.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2012 6:46:39 GMT -8
The team could rally finish 8-5. Hiasrecruting classes are better than Hokes.Its not just xs and Os its jImmy and Joes as they say. Many players on this team were not highly regarded.The younger calsses for the most part frosh redshort frosh and sophomore hav emuch moe talent. HOke overall record is slmsr the same as Rockys. ALL this trashing of the man is ugly. We lost we played poorly. Part of that goes on the players.. Time and again thye wer in position to makelays and failed.From dropped passes to missed tackles. If they make a change they damn well better now what they doing ANothe rthign i hearis how wam ll we are midgets' on the dine. Most of the dine guys are av but 6'2 265 or so,this si as big or bigger than fresno much bigger than San jose. You could movew Sanchez Dontrell at tackle at 6'2 280 next year and have some decent rush ends. with Galea,Queen My question ias how strong are these guys. Back in the Ohton days we had as many as 12 guys who could bench 400 pounds with the equivalent squats and so forth. THe somebdy tlaked about the kinebakcers,most are abut 6'2 220 not small. Fely is. The rest are good size, largent is 6'4 235 and Van Ness is big. Outside of White I think our defensive staff nedd new hires and a multiple defense the 3-3-5 and a four three. RockY never quit
I am extremely disappointed but not ready to quit on this team. AS for Coach Long his teams performance will decide where he ends up,and also his personel pride.aLL those caing for his head have no clue who ot hire, Oh yeah Peter Carrol Bobby Petrino,give me a break. Thats what worrys me. you think it can nto get worse oh yes it can.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2012 6:48:14 GMT -8
My background: Fpr the Aztecs I worked marketing, equipment, tutoring and eventually was an assistant to Ed White when he was the Offensive Line coach for Craft. As a defensive schemer, i can say that the 3-3-5 defense that the Lobos ran along with their personnel and coaching always scared Coach White (a 17 year NFL vet and one of the greatest Olinemen who also coached in the NFL). As a hard-nosed, no-nonsense kind of coach who cares about tradition (all of which we can see through the media) I like it. As a recruiter, we can see by the quality of recruits that he is doing a good job. As someone who wants to be here long term, it is obvious that he does from all of his statements (more so than other candidates who just give it lip service). Now as a motivator... Obviously, the players are not playing to their potential on a consistent basis. Hard to say if that is Rocky's fault or the individual position coaches. But ultimately, Rocky is where the buck stops. But at what point do we change? Do we know of BETTER options that want to stay here long term? I guess at this point it is moot because we could win out and then everyone would be happy. welL SAID
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