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Post by aztecemp on Oct 1, 2012 16:46:05 GMT -8
I'll be back when Basketball season starts.
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Post by cuatemoc2000 on Oct 1, 2012 17:26:40 GMT -8
Lets get real!!! One has to have played D1 football in order to be critical of the ineptitude of the coaches and players? I was in Fresno, I saw the defensive debacle first hand and as a three time graduate of SDSU and ardent supporter of the Aztecs, I was embarrassed, as should the players and coaches for putting that product out onto the field!!!! The lack of defensive coaching was apparent in the first half when giving up 34 points!! and it just got worse. A shame!!! Correct me if Iam wrong, but aren't coaches suppose to coach?? and put their players in the best positions possible to succeed?? That's what I was taught while playing HS football for Vista. As far as putting money up, I donate to SDSU, but not to the athletic department, to my majors department. But, I purchase 10 season tickets that went up to $95.00 each this year, that's $9,500, and I support the football team by going to road games, at least three a year for the last 15 years. So I am spending my hard earned money to watch a lackluster effort and a coach who is nearing retirement, showing no emotion.
I bleed red and black as do many others here but I am tired of losing and that being acceptable. In the college football landscape filled with money you cannot afford to continue to lose. Brady Hoke had instilled a winning culture and it rubbed off on the fierce attitude of the players, now I don't see that same level of intensity. Complacency should not be tolerated!! We need to win on a consistent basis on the road in places like Washington or Fresno and Reno and Boise. Finally, Last I checked, I had to pay for college and wasn't handed a scholarship to play a sport. Hey Get Real, try working and paying for college, like most of us had to, without the luxury of tutors or your own computer lab or even having to go to class. you might wanna stop thinking your going to play pro and start thinking about life after football, I did.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2012 17:40:34 GMT -8
It showed things c/would change even in the down years when we won 14 or so games. Rocky Long is doing exactly if not worse than he did at UNM 11-44 vs bowl teams at unm 1-8 vs bowl teams at sdsu Fisher got the keys to a car with no engine, Rocky got the keys to a honda civic and is running it into telephone poles, isn't changing the oil, is wearing out the breaks, etc. Where they started and what their history was were vastly different. Fisher has taken the program to a level he's been before, sadly, so is Rocky Long Once again, Fisher was at Michigan, a powerhouse school where the name practically recruits itself. homie, luv ya, man, but that isn't true at all for hoops.
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Post by 78aztec82 on Oct 1, 2012 18:12:09 GMT -8
You may have missed the middle years of his tenure here, people had unreasonable expectations of what it took to build the hoops program and were quite vocal, even if it were just a handful of psotters, they were pretty active at the time. Short-sighted. Fish was never mediocre, it just took time that some didn't appreciate. Again Steve Fisher doesn't have a history of mediocrity. He came to SDSU with final 4s and a title, something Rocky can't come close to. Right, it was the perception of some of the vocal psotters here at that time, as I said. That is part of the reason some are invoking the comparison.
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Post by uncledougy on Oct 1, 2012 18:47:13 GMT -8
Most of the negativity will go away once we have hope...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2012 18:48:46 GMT -8
So it's different if a coach has a bigger name? It showed things c/would change even in the down years when we won 14 or so games. Rocky Long is doing exactly if not worse than he did at UNM 11-44 vs bowl teams at unm 1-8 vs bowl teams at sdsu You constantly toss these numbers out (3 times in this thread alone) as if they actually mean something. There is no significance here - Shall we take a look at these same numbers for the last SDSU Coach? Coach Hoke came here with an 0-2 record in bowls at Ball St and his regular season record against bowl bound teams while at SDSU was 1-11. What did these numbers tell us about Brady's coaching ability? Precisely nothing. It's the same with Rocky's numbers. Give it a rest, bub.
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Post by tttrojan4life on Oct 1, 2012 18:57:50 GMT -8
Lets get real!!! One has to have played D1 football in order to be critical of the ineptitude of the coaches and players? I was in Fresno, I saw the defensive debacle first hand and as a three time graduate of SDSU and ardent supporter of the Aztecs, I was embarrassed, as should the players and coaches for putting that product out onto the field!!!! The lack of defensive coaching was apparent in the first half when giving up 34 points!! and it just got worse. A shame!!! Correct me if Iam wrong, but aren't coaches suppose to coach?? and put their players in the best positions possible to succeed?? That's what I was taught while playing HS football for Vista. As far as putting money up, I donate to SDSU, but not to the athletic department, to my majors department. But, I purchase 10 season tickets that went up to $95.00 each this year, that's $9,500, and I support the football team by going to road games, at least three a year for the last 15 years. So I am spending my hard earned money to watch a lackluster effort and a coach who is nearing retirement, showing no emotion. I bleed red and black as do many others here but I am tired of losing and that being acceptable. In the college football landscape filled with money you cannot afford to continue to lose. Brady Hoke had instilled a winning culture and it rubbed off on the fierce attitude of the players, now I don't see that same level of intensity. Complacency should not be tolerated!! We need to win on a consistent basis on the road in places like Washington or Fresno and Reno and Boise. Finally, Last I checked, I had to pay for college and wasn't handed a scholarship to play a sport. Hey Get Real, try working and paying for college, like most of us had to, without the luxury of tutors or your own computer lab or even having to go to class. you might wanna stop thinking your going to play pro and start thinking about life after football, I did. According to the op you have no right to complain because you didn't play.
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Post by frustratedfan on Oct 1, 2012 19:05:18 GMT -8
Lets get real!!! One has to have played D1 football in order to be critical of the ineptitude of the coaches and players? I was in Fresno, I saw the defensive debacle first hand and as a three time graduate of SDSU and ardent supporter of the Aztecs, I was embarrassed, as should the players and coaches for putting that product out onto the field!!!! The lack of defensive coaching was apparent in the first half when giving up 34 points!! and it just got worse. A shame!!! Correct me if Iam wrong, but aren't coaches suppose to coach?? and put their players in the best positions possible to succeed?? That's what I was taught while playing HS football for Vista. As far as putting money up, I donate to SDSU, but not to the athletic department, to my majors department. But, I purchase 10 season tickets that went up to $95.00 each this year, that's $9,500, and I support the football team by going to road games, at least three a year for the last 15 years. So I am spending my hard earned money to watch a lackluster effort and a coach who is nearing retirement, showing no emotion. I bleed red and black as do many others here but I am tired of losing and that being acceptable. In the college football landscape filled with money you cannot afford to continue to lose. Brady Hoke had instilled a winning culture and it rubbed off on the fierce attitude of the players, now I don't see that same level of intensity. Complacency should not be tolerated!! We need to win on a consistent basis on the road in places like Washington or Fresno and Reno and Boise. Finally, Last I checked, I had to pay for college and wasn't handed a scholarship to play a sport. Hey Get Real, try working and paying for college, like most of us had to, without the luxury of tutors or your own computer lab or even having to go to class. you might wanna stop thinking your going to play pro and start thinking about life after football, I did. Excellent post. Very well said! Anyone who is critical of fans holding the head coach accountable for his ineptitude and our AD for being cheap while we are treading water in Division 1A just don't have a grasp on reality. The Big East is our last chance to show we are sincere about being a serious player in Division 1A football...where the majority of money is for athletic programs. NO ONE outside of this board is going to be impress if beat flat out crap teams like Hawaii, CSU, UNLV, Wyoming and go 7-5 with the 8th easiest schedule in the country to squeek into a bottom feeder bowl. I am reading this board and there is already people jonesin' to beat the likes of Hawaii, CSU, and UNLV, which are all putrid teams, so we can go 7-5 and be bowl eligible. Folks, that is not going to get it done and that is not going to impress the Big East or anyone else for that matter outside this message board.
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Post by junior on Oct 1, 2012 19:22:08 GMT -8
Only in San Diego does this nonsense go on and on and on. In places like Pittsburgh, Ann Arbor, and South Bend, the coaches of teams that can't produce week after week, game after game get g'bye'd. And Fast.
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Post by myownwords on Oct 1, 2012 19:34:41 GMT -8
General response to the many of you that have responded to my "rant", (admittedly that's what it was) my intentions were not degrade anyone but truly see where some of you are coming from with what you post on here. I acknowledge that many of you on this board hold no ill will in your posts and much of what I initially said was not aimed at you. Instead towards those that show poor taste in their criticism. I also respect and appreciate the support, in season tickets and donations that many of you give. Regardless of the amount, giving what you can I'd not only beneficial to creating successful athletic programs but also paying for scholarships that build great men and women not solely athletes. And you all should be commended for your contribution. Thanks for the perspectives from each of you. I respect and in many instances understand where you are coming from. I still stand by the fact that the effort put in by coaches and players shouldn't be judged ago harshly and quickly. But it's the world we live in. Most importantly we all remain strong Aztec supporters and as many of you have said we have good intentions for the school and athletics. Go Aztecs! For me Getreal, the problem I have with the subtext of your post---and even your statement above---is that I really don't see what "effort" and "working hard" have to do with anything. Our football program is not pre-school giving out ribbons and stickers for just showing up and trying your hardest. Nor is this a Tony Robbins self-esteem improvement course. For those of us who feel that Rocky Long should never have been hired as HC, these latest inexcusable loses on accentuate that belief. For that reason, the program ultimately is hurt every day he continues his drive toward sustained mediocrity and perhaps Chuck-hood.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2012 19:34:51 GMT -8
One thing I do like is the negative posters piling their hate on Rocky and not the players. When it comes to firing Rocky, you can either buy more tickets and donate more, or buy and donate less. Nobody in power cares about your opinions. Unfortunately for me, I am at an age where I try to impart wisdom. Little is ever accomplished with negativity. Supporters buy tickets and cheer for their team. If by your actions, you cause anyone to not by tickets or cheer (including yourself), then you are not a supporter. You are welcome to have all the opinions you want, but it is only an opinion. I can have the opinion that some of you should be kicked off the board, but if that caused a true supporter to not buy a ticket or cheer for the team, then I would not be a supporter. Some of you may think that your actions will not effect others, but many of you hope that it does. I can tell you that negativity destroys relationships and friendships. What we practice, we become. I have seen very few negative people who are successful in life. My advice, think about your words. It is more constructive to say "can we find a better coach" than "fire the coach". I think as SDSU graduates, we should aspire to be more. Just as I have seen our university grow, we should all try personally to grow. Our degrees are not for what we know, but knowing how to learn. Excellent post!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2012 20:14:30 GMT -8
This is a fan message board. The athletes may not get paid but the institutions make millions off of College sports, and fans pay a pretty penny to attend live College events. If a fan wants to comment on their personal opinion, then so be it. College is a major step up from high school in terms of media/fan exposure. Coaches and College athletes understand that harsh criticism is part of the game. With that being said, those posters who insist on being negative, are more of a negative reflection on themselves than they are anything else. I doubt coaches and players are logging on to these sites to guage fan opinions on their performance. +1 Some people take message boards way too seriously.
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Post by tttrojan4life on Oct 1, 2012 20:29:54 GMT -8
This is a fan message board. The athletes may not get paid but the institutions make millions off of College sports, and fans pay a pretty penny to attend live College events. If a fan wants to comment on their personal opinion, then so be it. College is a major step up from high school in terms of media/fan exposure. Coaches and College athletes understand that harsh criticism is part of the game. With that being said, those posters who insist on being negative, are more of a negative reflection on themselves than they are anything else. I doubt coaches and players are logging on to these sites to guage fan opinions on their performance. +1 Some people take message boards way too seriously. +1
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Post by modobo3 on Oct 1, 2012 21:48:28 GMT -8
Lets get real!!! One has to have played D1 football in order to be critical of the ineptitude of the coaches and players? I was in Fresno, I saw the defensive debacle first hand and as a three time graduate of SDSU and ardent supporter of the Aztecs, I was embarrassed, as should the players and coaches for putting that product out onto the field!!!! The lack of defensive coaching was apparent in the first half when giving up 34 points!! and it just got worse. A shame!!! Correct me if Iam wrong, but aren't coaches suppose to coach?? and put their players in the best positions possible to succeed?? That's what I was taught while playing HS football for Vista. As far as putting money up, I donate to SDSU, but not to the athletic department, to my majors department. But, I purchase 10 season tickets that went up to $95.00 each this year, that's $9,500, and I support the football team by going to road games, at least three a year for the last 15 years. So I am spending my hard earned money to watch a lackluster effort and a coach who is nearing retirement, showing no emotion. I bleed red and black as do many others here but I am tired of losing and that being acceptable. In the college football landscape filled with money you cannot afford to continue to lose. Brady Hoke had instilled a winning culture and it rubbed off on the fierce attitude of the players, now I don't see that same level of intensity. Complacency should not be tolerated!! We need to win on a consistent basis on the road in places like Washington or Fresno and Reno and Boise. Finally, Last I checked, I had to pay for college and wasn't handed a scholarship to play a sport. Hey Get Real, try working and paying for college, like most of us had to, without the luxury of tutors or your own computer lab or even having to go to class. you might wanna stop thinking your going to play pro and start thinking about life after football, I did. Excellent post. Very well said! Anyone who is critical of fans holding the head coach accountable for his ineptitude and our AD for being cheap while we are treading water in Division 1A just don't have a grasp on reality. The Big East is our last chance to show we are sincere about being a serious player in Division 1A football...where the majority of money is for athletic programs. NO ONE outside of this board is going to be impress if beat flat out crap teams like Hawaii, CSU, UNLV, Wyoming and go 7-5 with the 8th easiest schedule in the country to squeek into a bottom feeder bowl. I am reading this board and there is already people jonesin' to beat the likes of Hawaii, CSU, and UNLV, which are all putrid teams, so we can go 7-5 and be bowl eligible. Folks, that is not going to get it done and that is not going to impress the Big East or anyone else for that matter outside this message board. Your post and the post you replied to are sooooo true... Fans are pissed!!! We've lost the momentum we gained from the Hoke years... I think many would agree, we aren't suppose to lose to San Jose State, PERIOD!!! Close games with North Dakota, unacceptable!!!...We look very mediocre going into the Big East... I appreciate all posts - negative or positive. Most people are fair and ones that go overboard are quickly bulldozed... Championship franchises, in ALL sports, have winning attitudes... They expect to win and do not accept mediocrity... Our players, coaches, administration, fans, alumni,etc,.. should have this attitude. I'll judge this years team based on games against Washington, Fresno, Nevada and Boise... Beating the scrubs, duds and bottom feeders is not impressive...
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Post by onelittleindian on Oct 1, 2012 21:56:57 GMT -8
Championship franchises, in ALL sports, have winning attitudes... They expect to win and do not accept mediocrity... Our players, coaches, administration, fans, alumni,etc,.. should have this attitude. In theory: Dream Big. In truth: One team per year is champion and the others fail in their mission. In reality: Have realistic aspiration each year and built on those, not another teams.
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Post by AztecBill on Oct 2, 2012 12:09:16 GMT -8
If I got paid almost a million dollars a year I would probably put in a lot of time too. I don't know $#!+ about X's and O's of football compared to the coaches on this staff. But I do like to win and I don't like to lose. I contribute what I can to the Athletic Department based off my modest salary 2 years out from graduating. I'm not happy with the losses and in my opinion I don't think it's going to get any better with Coach Long. I hope I'm wrong but my gut tells me we are better off as a program with someone who can lead us to beat some good teams. We're going to into the Big East and we just lost to a WAC team. Forgive me if my confidence in the coaches ability is less than enthusiastic. Thanks for all the hard work and dedication you put in while you were with the University. It seems like you are representing the school proudly even after your playing days are over. Mad respect. You were the foremost poster calling for Fisher's head 5 year's ago. Now you are asking for Long's 4 games into his 2nd year. We still remember renaming you TecShame00.
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Post by montyismyhomie on Oct 2, 2012 12:14:22 GMT -8
If I got paid almost a million dollars a year I would probably put in a lot of time too. I don't know $#!+ about X's and O's of football compared to the coaches on this staff. But I do like to win and I don't like to lose. I contribute what I can to the Athletic Department based off my modest salary 2 years out from graduating. I'm not happy with the losses and in my opinion I don't think it's going to get any better with Coach Long. I hope I'm wrong but my gut tells me we are better off as a program with someone who can lead us to beat some good teams. We're going to into the Big East and we just lost to a WAC team. Forgive me if my confidence in the coaches ability is less than enthusiastic. Thanks for all the hard work and dedication you put in while you were with the University. It seems like you are representing the school proudly even after your playing days are over. Mad respect. You were the foremost poster calling for Fisher's head 5 year's ago. Now you are asking for Long's 4 games into his 2nd year. We still remember renaming you TecShame00. lol its amazing people don't learn from their mistakes.
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Post by AztecBill on Oct 2, 2012 12:24:02 GMT -8
You were the foremost poster calling for Fisher's head 5 year's ago. Now you are asking for Long's 4 games into his 2nd year. We still remember renaming you TecShame00. lol its amazing people don't learn from their mistakes. Hoke's first full recruiting class are our redshirt sophomores. They were recruited off a 4-8 season. The first class recruited off a bowl season are red shirt freshman this year. Our juniors were recruited in a very short Hoke class before he coached a game and the team was coming off a terrible year. Our Seniors were recruited by Chuck Long after a big losing season when his job was very much in question. Looking at wins and loses of a new coach is only a small portion of the way to measure success. The trend is positive. Our recent success will fill out the classes and lead to more success which in turn will get us even better recruits and results. Rome was not built in a day and the season is far from over.
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Post by montyismyhomie on Oct 2, 2012 12:26:56 GMT -8
lol its amazing people don't learn from their mistakes. Hoke's first full recruiting class are our redshirt sophomores. They were recruited off a 4-8 season. The first class recruited off a bowl season are red shirt freshman this year. Our juniors were recruited in a very short Hoke class before he coached a game and the team was coming off a terrible year. Our Seniors were recruited by Chuck Long after a big losing season when his job was very much in question. Looking at wins and loses of a new coach is only a small portion of the way to measure success. The trend is positive. Our recent success will fill out the classes and lead to more success which in will get us even better recruits and results. Rome was not built in a day and the season is far from over. oh bill, you know nellies don't use reason or listen to logic. mob mentality believes what it wants to believe.
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Post by MarshallU on Oct 2, 2012 12:27:46 GMT -8
Most of the negativity will go away once we have hope... you were almost right... Most of the negativity will go away once we have hoops...
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