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Post by insider on Oct 1, 2012 9:56:56 GMT -8
Couldn't agree more. However, please note that not everyone on this board is incessantly negative. Some of us support the program the right way and understand this is SDSU and Rome wasn't built in a day. However, unfortunately, for the most part the inmates do run this asylum. For what it is worth, I a high school varsity starter in Football (all Sacramento city DB/QB), Basketball and Baseball both Junior and Senior year. Was recruited to play D III football and baseball, but didn't play because I didn't want to make that time commitment. So I understand how hard these kids and coaches work. Could be why I'm one of the more positive posters on this board. I generally save my negativity to criticizing the apathetic and angry San Diego fan base. I'd say the blindly optimistic way outweighs the realistic posters that can see what is going on with the football program. There is nothing wrong with calling it how it obviously is. This football program is no where near where it should be and the program has only gone backwords since Rocky Long tookover.
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Post by matteosandiego on Oct 1, 2012 9:57:28 GMT -8
Well said. Isn't it also interesting that Fresno State decided to can Pat Hill, only after they lost to US last year in the season finale? Hmmm, tells how they view or program and the standards to which they judge their coaches. I believe we should hold ourselves to even that much more of a standard. And well, we've now lost to both SJSU AND Fresno. i believe that should generate some criticism. Opinions are like assholes everyone has one, as it should be. I have been a supporter, member of AAF, season ticket holder in BB and FB for decades. And while you did play and support the program, you played for someone else in a different era with different AD and coach? And you did not inform us as to how much contact you have with the present staff. As such, your opinion is appreciated as it should be. But considering the moribund condition the program has been these last few decades you have to admit that the AD's and the coaches have to take most of the blame. And to sit idly by and watch it slip back after 2 years of success would be a mistake. You played and if can honestly think/say that the team has improved or is improving then it will be taken as your opinion. I for one, after seeing regime after regime fail especially the Chuck Long years continually get worse and worse will not ever stop yelling from the mountain top if I feel I need to. This is the reason and the place for this forum. I never felt that Rocky Long was a good choice for the HC job. DC maybe but, circumstances dictated so and he has the job. I will support the team and the kids but, don't have to like the results and will not be happy until we can sustain the FB like we have with the BB program.
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Post by insider on Oct 1, 2012 10:00:23 GMT -8
I hope the guys playing don't read these posts......none of em....good or bad I'm sure some do, even worse is I am sure there are parents that read the board. If I was a parent of someone on the basketball/baseball/football team I wouldn't read this or any other college athletics board, wouldn't let my son/daughter do it either.
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Post by iambballanalyst on Oct 1, 2012 10:09:09 GMT -8
I don't see a problem with players/parents reading the board. The bigger issue is if they are somehow emotionally moved by the board. Especially those parents that respond and try to fight fire with fire as if they're "defending their kid" against legit threats.. It's pointless.
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Post by danloc09 on Oct 1, 2012 10:37:36 GMT -8
I appreciate the fact that the OP played for SDSU, but that doesn't automatically make him and everything he says right. A lot of the language I'm reading in that post is typical athlete response to criticism, and while I can't imagine how tiresome it must be to read posts about how so and so screwed up because he holds the ball wrong or ran the wrong route, it's equally lame to be told as a fan that you can't be critical of outcomes because you don't understand. If it weren't for fans, collegiate athletes wouldn't have the opportunity to chase dreams or play a sport into your adult years with any meaning beyond duffing around the softball fields around the county. The fact that most of us are intensely jealous of these athletes doesn't mean they should be beyond criticism for not winning. I think it's ridiculous to criticize the technical aspects of anything if you're not experienced enough to know what you're talking about--but you don't have to be an mechanical or electrical engineer experienced in auto design and manufacturing to know that a Ford Pinto is poor-functioning. In other words, I might not know how to throw a football further than 30 yards, or dunk a basketball, but I don't have to know that to see that when the team I support loses they did something wrong. I am only class of '09 but I have contributed as much as I could afford, in addition to purchasing 5 season tickets for basketball since I graduated. Frankly, I'm not sure how relevant that really is to my point, but I state it to show that I'm in no way a troll or unattached to my alma mater. The fact of the matter is that the fans on here are the ones who do support the program, even if it is by criticism. With the exception of a few particularly negative posters who can get nasty about people rather than just disgruntled by the performance of the team from a win-loss perspective, very little on here is all that "out of bounds." It might be very reactive, but that's generally indicative of people caring. There's a saying that the opposite of love isn't hate, it's apathy. Almost everyone on here loves SDSU and its various athletic programs. I think everyone needs to keep that in mind more often when they're critical of the way individuals show it. Well said.
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Post by McQuervo on Oct 1, 2012 10:39:29 GMT -8
Post of the year.
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Post by 78aztec82 on Oct 1, 2012 10:51:55 GMT -8
And well, we've now lost to both SJSU AND Fresno. i believe that should generate some criticism. That is the succinct point. Well put. While I have similar visceral feelings as with the original poster, and equities in the program as well, the point made here is important to consider. I also suspect that the head coach and AD will review the results and trajectory of the season and program will be reviewed at the end of the year. In the meantime, I will support the program and let the professional staff do their due diligence. The department is certainly cognizant of our situation, historically and as we move to the BE.
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Post by onelittleindian on Oct 1, 2012 11:19:15 GMT -8
If you jump back in the time machine you'll see many of these same 10 post-a-day experts using the word "basketball" instead of "football" in their babble, so just laugh at them like the rest of us do.
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Post by longtimesdsufan on Oct 1, 2012 11:21:26 GMT -8
One thing I do like is the negative posters piling their hate on Rocky and not the players.
When it comes to firing Rocky, you can either buy more tickets and donate more, or buy and donate less. Nobody in power cares about your opinions.
Unfortunately for me, I am at an age where I try to impart wisdom. Little is ever accomplished with negativity. Supporters buy tickets and cheer for their team. If by your actions, you cause anyone to not by tickets or cheer (including yourself), then you are not a supporter. You are welcome to have all the opinions you want, but it is only an opinion. I can have the opinion that some of you should be kicked off the board, but if that caused a true supporter to not buy a ticket or cheer for the team, then I would not be a supporter.
Some of you may think that your actions will not effect others, but many of you hope that it does. I can tell you that negativity destroys relationships and friendships. What we practice, we become. I have seen very few negative people who are successful in life.
My advice, think about your words. It is more constructive to say "can we find a better coach" than "fire the coach". I think as SDSU graduates, we should aspire to be more. Just as I have seen our university grow, we should all try personally to grow. Our degrees are not for what we know, but knowing how to learn.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2012 11:22:21 GMT -8
I appreciate the fact that the OP played for SDSU, but that doesn't automatically make him and everything he says right. A lot of the language I'm reading in that post is typical athlete response to criticism, and while I can't imagine how tiresome it must be to read posts about how so and so screwed up because he holds the ball wrong or ran the wrong route, it's equally lame to be told as a fan that you can't be critical of outcomes because you don't understand. If it weren't for fans, collegiate athletes wouldn't have the opportunity to chase dreams or play a sport into your adult years with any meaning beyond duffing around the softball fields around the county. The fact that most of us are intensely jealous of these athletes doesn't mean they should be beyond criticism for not winning. I think it's ridiculous to criticize the technical aspects of anything if you're not experienced enough to know what you're talking about--but you don't have to be an mechanical or electrical engineer experienced in auto design and manufacturing to know that a Ford Pinto is poor-functioning. In other words, I might not know how to throw a football further than 30 yards, or dunk a basketball, but I don't have to know that to see that when the team I support loses they did something wrong. I am only class of '09 but I have contributed as much as I could afford, in addition to purchasing 5 season tickets for basketball since I graduated. Frankly, I'm not sure how relevant that really is to my point, but I state it to show that I'm in no way a troll or unattached to my alma mater. The fact of the matter is that the fans on here are the ones who do support the program, even if it is by criticism. With the exception of a few particularly negative posters who can get nasty about people rather than just disgruntled by the performance of the team from a win-loss perspective, very little on here is all that "out of bounds." It might be very reactive, but that's generally indicative of people caring. There's a saying that the opposite of love isn't hate, it's apathy. Almost everyone on here loves SDSU and its various athletic programs. I think everyone needs to keep that in mind more often when they're critical of the way individuals show it. This might be my favorite post of the year.
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Post by Strawberry Puppy Kisses on Oct 1, 2012 11:27:08 GMT -8
The OP makes a good point. This is the only fanbase that is critical of the players/coaches/program.
It's not fair that Aztec players and coaches get such singular treatment. And from so many people who don't donate, too.
For shame.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2012 11:39:45 GMT -8
we've now lost to both SJSU AND Fresno. That comment triggered my curiosity. This is the first time since the 1971 season that SDSU has lost to both Fresno and SJSU. Since 1971 we've played both schools almost 20 times. Eight times we beat both of them, most recently in 1995-1998 when Tollner swept those other two CSU schools 8-0.
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Post by OCEOTL on Oct 1, 2012 11:58:44 GMT -8
Learn me something: Is a 'negative poster' someone who wants to improve the program, or is a 'negative poster' someone who denies the right to lament failure?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2012 12:07:14 GMT -8
If I got paid almost a million dollars a year I would probably put in a lot of time too.
I don't know $#!+ about X's and O's of football compared to the coaches on this staff. But I do like to win and I don't like to lose. I contribute what I can to the Athletic Department based off my modest salary 2 years out from graduating. I'm not happy with the losses and in my opinion I don't think it's going to get any better with Coach Long. I hope I'm wrong but my gut tells me we are better off as a program with someone who can lead us to beat some good teams. We're going to into the Big East and we just lost to a WAC team. Forgive me if my confidence in the coaches ability is less than enthusiastic.
Thanks for all the hard work and dedication you put in while you were with the University. It seems like you are representing the school proudly even after your playing days are over. Mad respect.
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Post by therealeman on Oct 1, 2012 12:33:35 GMT -8
Great, a pissing contest on how many sports you played in high school and how much you've donated to the aztec club. Maybe the masthead should read: AztecMesa, Where San Diego Sate Alumni and Fans WHO HAVE DONATED TO THE ATHLETIC DEPT AND PLAYED AT SDSU have their say.
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Post by sancarlosaztec on Oct 1, 2012 12:58:01 GMT -8
Just want to say to the OP... Great Post!
Several times in the past I've posted similar sentiments. I received similar responses too. Although, I think the response to your post here has been more civil.
With age I have come to accept there are valid points to both sides of the discussion. We should not accept losing, but we could do much much better in how we support and encourage our athletic programs.
Apathy is the real enemy here. So be passionate, but stay away from personal attacks.
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Post by matteosandiego on Oct 1, 2012 13:01:14 GMT -8
Good find man. I don't believe all the hysteria after saturday's game is overboard one bit. Ask Texas if its overboard by losing to Oklahoma. Ask Utah if its overboard by losing to byu. Or Oregon to Oregon State. SJSU & Fresno were always behind our program in terms of stadium, revenue, and prestige. The last 40 years SDSU has not made the kind of progress that it should have with their supposed advancements. Facts are Facts. Not quite Cal Poly, but... Bottom line, this can't happen again. we've now lost to both SJSU AND Fresno. That comment triggered my curiosity. This is the first time since the 1971 season that SDSU has lost to both Fresno and SJSU. Since 1971 we've played both schools almost 20 times. Eight times we beat both of them, most recently in 1995-1998 when Tollner swept those other two CSU schools 8-0.
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Post by getreal on Oct 1, 2012 13:04:58 GMT -8
General response to the many of you that have responded to my "rant", (admittedly that's what it was) my intentions were not degrade anyone but truly see where some of you are coming from with what you post on here.
I acknowledge that many of you on this board hold no ill will in your posts and much of what I initially said was not aimed at you. Instead towards those that show poor taste in their criticism.
I also respect and appreciate the support, in season tickets and donations that many of you give. Regardless of the amount, giving what you can I'd not only beneficial to creating successful athletic programs but also paying for scholarships that build great men and women not solely athletes. And you all should be commended for your contribution.
Thanks for the perspectives from each of you. I respect and in many instances understand where you are coming from. I still stand by the fact that the effort put in by coaches and players shouldn't be judged ago harshly and quickly. But it's the world we live in.
Most importantly we all remain strong Aztec supporters and as many of you have said we have good intentions for the school and athletics. Go Aztecs!
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Post by insider on Oct 1, 2012 13:15:20 GMT -8
If you jump back in the time machine you'll see many of these same 10 post-a-day experts using the word "basketball" instead of "football" in their babble, so just laugh at them like the rest of us do. Steve Fisher doesn't have a history of mediocrity.
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Post by sdsustoner on Oct 1, 2012 13:16:48 GMT -8
If you jump back in the time machine you'll see many of these same 10 post-a-day experts using the word "basketball" instead of "football" in their babble, so just laugh at them like the rest of us do. Steve Fisher doesn't have a history of mediocrity. So it's different if a coach has a bigger name?
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