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Post by aztecryan on Sept 30, 2012 10:56:05 GMT -8
People need to drop this "sense of entitlement" complex. You're a fan, so what? That allows you to lob useless criticism? The team has very little actual fan support that goes to games. The defense is horrendous right now. Don't think that's lost on anyone. However, you're not going to fire a coach coming off a bowl game season who is 2-3. Get a grip, stop posting out of anger and frustration. As William said, take a breath.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2012 11:00:57 GMT -8
William, Rocky will quit if we finish 4-8 or worse.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2012 11:01:44 GMT -8
Maybe coaches should be paid on the merit system? Be generous and have their base pay be equal to a full professor and anything above that depend on their success.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2012 11:08:27 GMT -8
William, how dare you come here with rational and practical thoughts. Don't you know that as soon as your head coach has a rough couple of games, he has to go immediately?
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Post by AztecWilliam on Sept 30, 2012 11:15:33 GMT -8
Monty and a number of others should step back, take a deep breath, and take another look at our situation. First, Rocky is going to be here at least through the 2013 season; not even if we end up with only 2 or 3 wins this year. I think that outcome is highly unlikely, by the way. We might, worst case, win only 4 or 5, but I would, contrary to me usual practice, be willing to bet a couple of bucks that we will win at least 4 more games. We still have to play UNLV, Colorado State, Hawaii, Air Force, and Wyoming. If you cannot see at least three wins from that list, I don't know what to say. As I said, I would be willing to bet that we win four of those five. That would give us a 6-6 record, admittedly very, very disappointing. Still, there is no way in hell that this school is going to fire a coach after just two seasons with a winning record (14-11). Michigan, yes. SDSU, no. Second, though right now things don't look good, this season is far from over. Seven wins may be the most we can hope for now, but a 7-5 season would not be bad. Progress is what we should be looking for. At this point the team, at least on defense, seems to be regressing. Why is that so? Some fans will cry, "It's the coaching!" They may be correct. Or it may be that we were hurt badly on the defensive line by graduation and simply do not have players ready to step in a perform at the same level we saw last year. I have long said that our recruiting has to improve. Check out the best teams in the land and you will see that they are blessed with dozens of 3 and 4 star players with an occasional 5-star guy. We are, to this point, getting only a handful of 3s and no 4s. Maybe a big name coach could improve on that, but the chances, even if we had the money, of hiring such a man are not good. Just because a nationally known coach takes over is no guarantee that the program will suddenly take off like a rocket. It didn't work for John Robinson at UNLV and it didn't work for Rich Rodriquez at Michigan. Conclusion; as much as it galls the average fan, at least a bit of patience is required. Plus a bit of prayer. Rocky is the HC and will be the HC for a while longer. AzWm Are you shutting down the Fire Rocky threads?
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Post by AztecWilliam on Sept 30, 2012 11:17:10 GMT -8
William, how dare you come here with rational and practical thoughts. Don't you know that as soon as your head coach has a rough couple of games, he has to go immediately? I had forgotten that. Well, obviously, my memory is not what it used to be. AzWm |
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Post by aztecvatar on Sept 30, 2012 11:18:03 GMT -8
was all that recycled from a "Fire Chuck Long" thread? sure sounds like it. the "give Chuck Long 5 years" people were wrong back then, and the "have patience with Rocky Long" crowd are wrong today...I'm willing to bet it's the same exact people.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2012 11:20:12 GMT -8
was all that recycled from a "Fire Chuck Long" thread? sure sounds like it. the "give Chuck Long 5 years" people were wrong back then, and the "have patience with Rocky Long" crowd are wrong today...I'm willing to bet it's the same exact people. THE Give Chuck Five Years guy is thankfully completely absent from the board these days. |
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Post by monty on Sept 30, 2012 11:41:28 GMT -8
Monty and a number of others should step back, take a deep breath, and take another look at our situation. First, Rocky is going to be here at least through the 2013 season; not even if we end up with only 2 or 3 wins this year. I think that outcome is highly unlikely, by the way. We might, worst case, win only 4 or 5, but I would, contrary to me usual practice, be willing to bet a couple of bucks that we will win at least 4 more games. We still have to play UNLV, Colorado State, Hawaii, Air Force, and Wyoming. If you cannot see at least three wins from that list, I don't know what to say. As I said, I would be willing to bet that we win four of those five. That would give us a 6-6 record, admittedly very, very disappointing. Still, there is no way in hell that this school is going to fire a coach after just two seasons with a winning record (14-11). Michigan, yes. SDSU, no. Second, though right now things don't look good, this season is far from over. Seven wins may be the most we can hope for now, but a 7-5 season would not be bad. Progress is what we should be looking for. At this point the team, at least on defense, seems to be regressing. Why is that so? Some fans will cry, "It's the coaching!" They may be correct. Or it may be that we were hurt badly on the defensive line by graduation and simply do not have players ready to step in a perform at the same level we saw last year. I have long said that our recruiting has to improve. Check out the best teams in the land and you will see that they are blessed with dozens of 3 and 4 star players with an occasional 5-star guy. We are, to this point, getting only a handful of 3s and no 4s. Maybe a big name coach could improve on that, but the chances, even if we had the money, of hiring such a man are not good. Just because a nationally known coach takes over is no guarantee that the program will suddenly take off like a rocket. It didn't work for John Robinson at UNLV and it didn't work for Rich Rodriquez at Michigan. Conclusion; as much as it galls the average fan, at least a bit of patience is required. Plus a bit of prayer. Rocky is the HC and will be the HC for a while longer. AzWm All I have seen is fallacies and just a refrain from you and LA and some others that 'he'll be back' that is all that anyone can come up with, an attack, a blatant fallacy, or just repeating that he'll be back |
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Post by myownwords on Sept 30, 2012 12:40:59 GMT -8
Monty and a number of others should step back, take a deep breath, and take another look at our situation. First, Rocky is going to be here at least through the 2013 season; not even if we end up with only 2 or 3 wins this year. I think that outcome is highly unlikely, by the way. We might, worst case, win only 4 or 5, but I would, contrary to me usual practice, be willing to bet a couple of bucks that we will win at least 4 more games. We still have to play UNLV, Colorado State, Hawaii, Air Force, and Wyoming. If you cannot see at least three wins from that list, I don't know what to say. As I said, I would be willing to bet that we win four of those five. That would give us a 6-6 record, admittedly very, very disappointing. Still, there is no way in hell that this school is going to fire a coach after just two seasons with a winning record (14-11). Michigan, yes. SDSU, no. Second, though right now things don't look good, this season is far from over. Seven wins may be the most we can hope for now, but a 7-5 season would not be bad. Progress is what we should be looking for. At this point the team, at least on defense, seems to be regressing. Why is that so? Some fans will cry, "It's the coaching!" They may be correct. Or it may be that we were hurt badly on the defensive line by graduation and simply do not have players ready to step in a perform at the same level we saw last year. I have long said that our recruiting has to improve. Check out the best teams in the land and you will see that they are blessed with dozens of 3 and 4 star players with an occasional 5-star guy. We are, to this point, getting only a handful of 3s and no 4s. Maybe a big name coach could improve on that, but the chances, even if we had the money, of hiring such a man are not good. Just because a nationally known coach takes over is no guarantee that the program will suddenly take off like a rocket. It didn't work for John Robinson at UNLV and it didn't work for Rich Rodriquez at Michigan. Conclusion; as much as it galls the average fan, at least a bit of patience is required. Plus a bit of prayer. Rocky is the HC and will be the HC for a while longer. AzWm Sorry AzWm, the season is in disrepair and there is NO history in Rocky's mediocre background to suggest he can turn it around. HE is basically the architect of this mess we're in. Just as happened in New Mexico the likelihood is for a collapse. A smart forward-thinking administration would slam the brakes on this coming train wreck. Take the medicine now before we enter next year and get humialated on a bigger stage. |
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Post by Trujillos & Beer on Sept 30, 2012 12:52:37 GMT -8
Just wait until SDSU loses to UNLV. Prepare for a complete meltdown.
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Post by AztecFire on Sept 30, 2012 14:04:29 GMT -8
Just wait until SDSU loses to UNLV. Prepare for a complete meltdown. ..Sent from my Samsung GS3.. I'm ready. |
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Post by aztecfred on Sept 30, 2012 14:51:03 GMT -8
Well there is one thing for sure and that is after the Sky Show you will be able to sit anywhere you. There will be 18k or less for those games. Probably have just 1 gate and 2 concession stands open. And if we lose any 2 or more games of the remaining home games we should have a plan to replace RL. I don't see any road victories except maybe WYO. A 5-7 or 4-8 season with arguably the weakest schedule in decades will destroy what little momentum this program had.
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Post by MarshallU on Sept 30, 2012 14:59:05 GMT -8
no coaching experience needed... he stinks! needs to go! sooner than later!
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Post by AztecWilliam on Sept 30, 2012 15:38:26 GMT -8
Monty and a number of others should step back, take a deep breath, and take another look at our situation. First, Rocky is going to be here at least through the 2013 season; not even if we end up with only 2 or 3 wins this year. I think that outcome is highly unlikely, by the way. We might, worst case, win only 4 or 5, but I would, contrary to me usual practice, be willing to bet a couple of bucks that we will win at least 4 more games. We still have to play UNLV, Colorado State, Hawaii, Air Force, and Wyoming. If you cannot see at least three wins from that list, I don't know what to say. As I said, I would be willing to bet that we win four of those five. That would give us a 6-6 record, admittedly very, very disappointing. Still, there is no way in hell that this school is going to fire a coach after just two seasons with a winning record (14-11). Michigan, yes. SDSU, no. Second, though right now things don't look good, this season is far from over. Seven wins may be the most we can hope for now, but a 7-5 season would not be bad. Progress is what we should be looking for. At this point the team, at least on defense, seems to be regressing. Why is that so? Some fans will cry, "It's the coaching!" They may be correct. Or it may be that we were hurt badly on the defensive line by graduation and simply do not have players ready to step in a perform at the same level we saw last year. I have long said that our recruiting has to improve. Check out the best teams in the land and you will see that they are blessed with dozens of 3 and 4 star players with an occasional 5-star guy. We are, to this point, getting only a handful of 3s and no 4s. Maybe a big name coach could improve on that, but the chances, even if we had the money, of hiring such a man are not good. Just because a nationally known coach takes over is no guarantee that the program will suddenly take off like a rocket. It didn't work for John Robinson at UNLV and it didn't work for Rich Rodriquez at Michigan. Conclusion; as much as it galls the average fan, at least a bit of patience is required. Plus a bit of prayer. Rocky is the HC and will be the HC for a while longer. AzWm All I have seen is fallacies and just a refrain from you and LA and some others that 'he'll be back' that is all that anyone can come up with, an attack, a blatant fallacy, or just repeating that he'll be back SDSU is not going to fire Rocky Long this year, even if the Aztecs end up with only three or four wins. Do you disagree with that? If so, please justify your position with facts. I think I have posted, more than once, factors that support my contention that the school is going to stick with Rocky through 2013. Now, if you think that Rocky should be fired, fine. Such an opinion may be justified in a perfect world. But this is not Michigan or Kansas (a school with a great hoops program but a very poor one in football that gave Turner Gill only two years!). If your position is that the school should consider a change for 2013, your opinion may have merit. That's not going to happen, and I think it would be unwise to do so. I, myself, might have a different attitude if we end up at .500 or worse this year and do no better in the BE. But that is for the future. The present is what it is. Outside of discovering that Rocky is a member in good standing of the Honk if you think Jerry Sandusky is a good role model society, RL is going to be around for another year. And, as I have also opined, I will be surprised if we win fewer than 5 games this year. 5-7 is beyond disappointing, but it is certainly enough to prevent a school such as SDSU from firing a coach whose team went to a bowl just a year ago. So clarify your position. Do you thank that Rocky will be fired, or just should be. AzWm |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2012 15:47:35 GMT -8
If we lose to UNLV, Rocky will quit. So if the result is we hire what would presumably be a considerably better staff, it would be well worth it.
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Post by insider on Sept 30, 2012 16:00:54 GMT -8
People need to drop this "sense of entitlement" complex. You're a fan, so what? That allows you to lob useless criticism? The team has very little actual fan support that goes to games. The defense is horrendous right now. Don't think that's lost on anyone. However, you're not going to fire a coach coming off a bowl game season who is 2-3. Get a grip, stop posting out of anger and frustration. As William said, take a breath. This team has very little fan support because it is a bad team. It has nothing to do with posting out of anger and frustration. Fan base doesn't have to pretend everything is going well because it obviously isn't. If you don't think what the fanbase thinks matters than why was chuck long fired? People act like the bowl game is a reason Rocky should come back, when in actuality against a average schedule he would have a well below 500 record. |
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Post by AztecWilliam on Sept 30, 2012 16:05:57 GMT -8
If we lose to UNLV, Rocky will quit. So if the result is we hire what would presumably be a considerably better staff, it would be well worth it. If asked to nominate the most perspicacious poster on AztecMesa poster, I would nominate you. (With apologies to a number of other very worthy challengers.) However, this post of yours is way off the mark. If Rocky goes, whether by firing or retirement, we will of course have a replacement. Why should we assume that the replacement staff will be "considerably better"? I would certainly hope that a new HC and staff would be better, but there is no law, natural or otherwise, mandating that such a move will result in a better football program on the Mesa. Without doubt, just about every AD who ever had to replace a failed FB head coach presumed that the new staff was going to be "considerably better." Unfortunately for a majority of those ADs, the new staff turned out to be just as bad or even worse. Some day Rocky Long will not be our HC. Whether his replacement is as good, better, or worse than he is an open question. Speaking of Rocky, I guess that the folks at New Mexico believed that better days were ahead when his replacement was tapped. I think we all know what happened. (And if we need examples closer to home, how about the half dozen or so cases of new FB head coaches coming here only to stumble badly.) Lesson to keep in mind; be careful of what you wish for. AzWm |
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Post by smoothcat on Sept 30, 2012 16:57:44 GMT -8
Ha ha, for if the criteria for posting is to be a college football coach...I am guessing we are going to have a few threads with light responses.
Why not just limit it to former US Presidents or guys who have walked on the moon?
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Post by aztecryan on Sept 30, 2012 17:10:37 GMT -8
Chuck Long was fired, "Insider", because he was 9-27 as a coach. I don't care what the schedule is/was, you play who you play. Schedules are set years in advance in some cases, you act like we can go schedule LSU tomorrow. Doesn't quite work like that. The team has had no fan support far beyond just this year, but we probably lead the country in armchair coaches complaining about anything they can find to complain about.
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