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Post by sancarlosaztec on Sept 19, 2012 14:42:40 GMT -8
...UNLV, who was winless, and we could have gone to the Pointsettia Bowl, etc... If I understand your reference I think the loss to winless UNLV cost us a WAC championship and an auto invite to the Holiday Bowl. I don't think the Pointsettia Bowl existed at that time.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2012 14:46:39 GMT -8
Actually, the 1996 loss to UNLV cost us the WAC western division title. Had we won that game and beaten BYU in the WAC championship game, we would have gone to either the Holiday Bowl or the LV Bowl depending on whether the HB had already severed its relationship with the WAC. The PB wasn't started until a decade later. Even had we lost to BYU in the WAC championship game, we MIGHT have gone to a minor bowl. (Wyoming lost to the Borg in the WAC title game to finish 10-2 and stayed home.)
UNLV '96 was the most inexcusable loss in SDSU history without a doubt.
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Post by aztecpaulg on Sept 19, 2012 16:47:30 GMT -8
Doesn't make the statement any less true. Exactly and it's difficult imagining SDSU taking the step to become a consistent top 35 team without building a solid, consistent talent base. We recruit on the same level with the bottom of the PAC-12. Develop those players and we can make some noise on the national scene. Plus, outside of going undefeated, we have no shot at playing in anything but a mediocre bowl game. That's all the MWC has ties to.
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Post by Deja Vu U Monty on Sept 19, 2012 17:34:22 GMT -8
This reminds me of the concept of "key games." I believe I posted here some weeks ago that Fresno State would be a key game, since a W in Fresno would put us a lot closer to bowl eligibility without having to beat either Nevada (which remains a threat) and/or Wyoming (which now looks a lot less threatening). Fresno is still a very important game, but I now think that the San Jose State game is our first "key game." Most of us never thought we would beat Washington, and both Army and North Dakota seemed like easy pickings. In that latter category was San Jose State. Notice that I said "was." Clearly, the Spartans are much better than a couple of years ago. How they made such progress has to be the result of very good work by their new head coach. In any case, SJSU will not roll over and play dead. In short, I really think that beating SJSU is crucial. 3-1 going into MWC play will make getting to 7 wins (the least number that will get us to a bowl, I think) practical though not necessarily easy. On the other hand, if we take on Fresno with 2 losses, we may be in trouble. Look at it this way. If we barely managed to beat an FCS school and then lose to SJSU, what does that say about the program? After all, both were home games, both seemed quite winnable. We would like to beat Fresno, Nevada, and Boise State. We need to beat San Jose State. We can't lose this game and expect 2012 to be as good as 2011. And what would a disappointing season say about our chances in the BE next season? Beat the Spartans! AzWm If your insight in politics was as good as your insight in Aztec athletics, you would have your own TV show.
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Post by aztech on Sept 19, 2012 17:54:28 GMT -8
This reminds me of the concept of "key games." I believe I posted here some weeks ago that Fresno State would be a key game, since a W in Fresno would put us a lot closer to bowl eligibility without having to beat either Nevada (which remains a threat) and/or Wyoming (which now looks a lot less threatening). Fresno is still a very important game, but I now think that the San Jose State game is our first "key game." Most of us never thought we would beat Washington, and both Army and North Dakota seemed like easy pickings. In that latter category was San Jose State. Notice that I said "was." Clearly, the Spartans are much better than a couple of years ago. How they made such progress has to be the result of very good work by their new head coach. In any case, SJSU will not roll over and play dead. In short, I really think that beating SJSU is crucial. 3-1 going into MWC play will make getting to 7 wins (the least number that will get us to a bowl, I think) practical though not necessarily easy. On the other hand, if we take on Fresno with 2 losses, we may be in trouble. Look at it this way. If we barely managed to beat an FCS school and then lose to SJSU, what does that say about the program? After all, both were home games, both seemed quite winnable. We would like to beat Fresno, Nevada, and Boise State. We need to beat San Jose State. We can't lose this game and expect 2012 to be as good as 2011. And what would a disappointing season say about our chances in the BE next season? Beat the Spartans! AzWm I find it humorous that this game with SJSU has supposedly become so competitive. Tom Craft beat the hell out of them so I suppose everyone is comparing this team to the ones under Chuck Long. As I've written elsewhere, Chuck damaged our fans' confidence to the point that they've developed long term shell shock. Meanwhile SJSU has had much worse teams that we've had during the Brady Hoke years. And yet, they've caught up to us?!!! That tells me two things. Everyone is assuming SJSU has gotten better players and/or their coach is leap and bounds better than Rocky. If we lose then we've had piss poor recruiting and/or Long isn't worth a $#!+. Saturday should show which direction we're headed. The way I see it, I hope this media hype of uncertainty will sell a lot of tickets anyway.
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Post by scorpio on Sept 19, 2012 18:05:47 GMT -8
... As I've been reading all of the "sky is falling" comments from the board, I am reminded that the most important thing State can do is win the games it should win. Do that and we can become a consistent bowl team, get better recruits, and then, try and take that next step. We have had such a long bowl drought prior to the past 2 seasons, because each season we could not beat teams we should have been able to beat. SJSU is clearly a team we should beat, especially because we have them at home. You don't get better recruits by making mediocre bowl games and losing to all the good teams you play without a gimmicky offense. Well then Insider, I can therefore deduce from your comment that you are convinced that the Brady Hoke and Rocky Long recruits aren't as a whole or individually, better than the Tom Craft and Chuck Long recruits.
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Post by 84aztec96 on Sept 19, 2012 19:36:20 GMT -8
UNLV '96 was the most inexcusable loss in SDSU history without a doubt.[/quote]
I'm still yelling "play action pass!" Don't settle for a FG! But I digress.
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Post by spartanmark on Sept 20, 2012 0:13:56 GMT -8
The Spartans beat Fresno State in Fresno last year. The Spartans lost to Nevada in SJ last season on the last play of the game when our QB threw a pick in the end zone, when the Spartans were in the red zone. The Spartans lost by three, when they could have kicked to tie it and go to OT, because the QB tried to win it and the Nevada DB made a great play. The Spartans caught up to Fresno and Nevada last year and the Spartans are better this year. So SDSU will be playing a team of that caliber on Saturday. You guys just have not been paying attention to SJSU. You guys don't think SDSU is rebuilding a bit after losing a lot of guys after last season? Going to be hard for SDSU to be as good in 2012 as they were in 2011. On the other hand, this current Spartan team is set to really peak next season when it will have a bunch of Jr's and Sr's that have been in Coach Mac's program for 3+ years. This is going to be a good game. This reminds me of the concept of "key games." I believe I posted here some weeks ago that Fresno State would be a key game, since a W in Fresno would put us a lot closer to bowl eligibility without having to beat either Nevada (which remains a threat) and/or Wyoming (which now looks a lot less threatening). Fresno is still a very important game, but I now think that the San Jose State game is our first "key game." Most of us never thought we would beat Washington, and both Army and North Dakota seemed like easy pickings. In that latter category was San Jose State. Notice that I said "was." Clearly, the Spartans are much better than a couple of years ago. How they made such progress has to be the result of very good work by their new head coach. In any case, SJSU will not roll over and play dead. In short, I really think that beating SJSU is crucial. 3-1 going into MWC play will make getting to 7 wins (the least number that will get us to a bowl, I think) practical though not necessarily easy. On the other hand, if we take on Fresno with 2 losses, we may be in trouble. Look at it this way. If we barely managed to beat an FCS school and then lose to SJSU, what does that say about the program? After all, both were home games, both seemed quite winnable. We would like to beat Fresno, Nevada, and Boise State. We need to beat San Jose State. We can't lose this game and expect 2012 to be as good as 2011. And what would a disappointing season say about our chances in the BE next season? Beat the Spartans!AzWm
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Post by monty on Sept 20, 2012 7:57:29 GMT -8
next year we'll return just about everyone and Muema will be a beast. Next year we'll beat you by 4 or 5 scores. This year is the toss up, next year will be a thorough ass kicking.
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Post by Fishn'Aztec on Sept 20, 2012 8:46:06 GMT -8
next year we'll return just about everyone and Muema will be a beast. Next year we'll beat you by 4 or 5 scores. This year is the toss up, next year will be a thorough ass kicking. Gawd, I hope so now that you wrote that! ;D
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Post by localsonly on Sept 20, 2012 11:16:28 GMT -8
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Scary thing about that number is, it's a half point more than...... A FIELD GOAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by monty on Sept 20, 2012 11:20:53 GMT -8
. We are favored by 3.5 over SJSU. .[/quote] Scary thing about that number is, it's a half point more than...... A FIELD GOAL!!!!!!!!!!!!![/quote] It's also just a hook below two failed 2pt conversions
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Post by tonatiuh on Sept 20, 2012 11:54:34 GMT -8
next year we'll return just about everyone and Muema will be a beast. Next year we'll beat you by 4 or 5 scores. This year is the toss up, next year will be a thorough ass kicking. Careful there ,Monty, we do not return just about everyone. We lose Katz, Butler, Sandifer, and Kazee. All are Seniors, so we will need some help at QB (hopefully Dingwell will be ready!), and maybe a couple of WR's will need to step up to become consistent receivers.
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Post by monty on Sept 20, 2012 12:12:37 GMT -8
Butler and Sandifier have been absent most of the first 3 games. Lockett, a healthy denso, ruffin, another year under his belt vizzi Dingwell should be more than ready. Muema is more than able to carry the load, if they let him I think he can make a run at the 18and change rushing record, we have some very capable backups in price and hardwick Dline will all be experienced, linebackers will be outstanding, have to replace the corners, but have a lot returners in the overall secondary
We should be real good next year, but I'm sure what's his name will make some excuses to temper the expectations.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2012 12:45:41 GMT -8
Speaking of Muema, I underrated the kid, particularly in one sense. He is as patient a runner as we've ever had. Great instincts for waiting a fraction of a second for his blockers to clear a path for him. He and Walter pack a great 1-2 punch.
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Post by aztech on Sept 20, 2012 12:47:48 GMT -8
The Spartans beat Fresno State in Fresno last year. The Spartans lost to Nevada in SJ last season on the last play of the game when our QB threw a pick in the end zone, when the Spartans were in the red zone. The Spartans lost by three, when they could have kicked to tie it and go to OT, because the QB tried to win it and the Nevada DB made a great play. The Spartans caught up to Fresno and Nevada last year and the Spartans are better this year. So SDSU will be playing a team of that caliber on Saturday. You guys just have not been paying attention to SJSU. You guys don't think SDSU is rebuilding a bit after losing a lot of guys after last season? Going to be hard for SDSU to be as good in 2012 as they were in 2011. On the other hand, this current Spartan team is set to really peak next season when it will have a bunch of Jr's and Sr's that have been in Coach Mac's program for 3+ years.This is going to be a good game. Yeah, and we've been standing still while we watch SJSU build and become some feared team. GTFOOH!! Your confidence must be due to your thinking Chuck Long is still cashing checks here. BTW, that's the only thing he was good at. This is the way I see it. If Rocky loses this game, he'll have one leg out the door. If your coach loses this game, he gets a pass because he's still building. That's why we're a couple of steps above you.
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Post by monty on Sept 20, 2012 13:34:42 GMT -8
Speaking of Muema, I underrated the kid, particularly in one sense. He is as patient a runner as we've ever had. Great instincts for waiting a fraction of a second for his blockers to clear a path for him. He and Walter pack a great 1-2 punch. He is the most complete back we've had since I've been an Aztec (last dozen years or so)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2012 13:37:26 GMT -8
Monty, Muema hasn't shown any pass catching ability but other than that, I agree.
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Post by monty on Sept 20, 2012 13:44:27 GMT -8
Monty, Muema hasn't shown any pass catching ability but other than that, I agree. Starting to think this is a ludwig thing, have any of our backs caught a pass yet? Would love to see him get the ball in space
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Post by aztech on Sept 20, 2012 16:10:37 GMT -8
Speaking of Muema, I underrated the kid, particularly in one sense. He is as patient a runner as we've ever had. Great instincts for waiting a fraction of a second for his blockers to clear a path for him. He and Walter pack a great 1-2 punch. He is the most complete back we've had since I've been an Aztec (last dozen years or so) No question, he's exciting to watch. However he makes me nervous the way he fights for additional yards when he's in the grasp. It's impressive, but it's bad if he fumbles.
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