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Post by aztecpaulg on Sept 19, 2012 7:24:13 GMT -8
... As I've been reading all of the "sky is falling" comments from the board, I am reminded that the most important thing State can do is win the games it should win. Do that and we can become a consistent bowl team, get better recruits, and then, try and take that next step. We have had such a long bowl drought prior to the past 2 seasons, because each season we could not beat teams we should have been able to beat.
SJSU is clearly a team we should beat, especially because we have them at home.
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Post by badfish on Sept 19, 2012 7:26:35 GMT -8
We will win. Last week was an exception, not the norm.
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Post by Old School on Sept 19, 2012 8:11:25 GMT -8
We play better as underdogs, look at the Army game.
Oldie Out
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Post by TheSanDiegan on Sept 19, 2012 8:27:39 GMT -8
I'm a big fan of the Bounceback D... give up a buttload of yardage one week, and the next week a good D tends to lockdown whoever's on deck. I don't think SJSU puts up the numbers that UND managed to last week.
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Post by insider on Sept 19, 2012 9:07:17 GMT -8
... As I've been reading all of the "sky is falling" comments from the board, I am reminded that the most important thing State can do is win the games it should win. Do that and we can become a consistent bowl team, get better recruits, and then, try and take that next step. We have had such a long bowl drought prior to the past 2 seasons, because each season we could not beat teams we should have been able to beat. SJSU is clearly a team we should beat, especially because we have them at home. You don't get better recruits by making mediocre bowl games and losing to all the good teams you play without a gimmicky offense. |
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Post by monty on Sept 19, 2012 9:11:05 GMT -8
this game is a straight up toss-up. But, these are the games you have to win if you want to progress.
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Post by AztecWilliam on Sept 19, 2012 9:17:42 GMT -8
This reminds me of the concept of "key games." I believe I posted here some weeks ago that Fresno State would be a key game, since a W in Fresno would put us a lot closer to bowl eligibility without having to beat either Nevada (which remains a threat) and/or Wyoming (which now looks a lot less threatening).
Fresno is still a very important game, but I now think that the San Jose State game is our first "key game." Most of us never thought we would beat Washington, and both Army and North Dakota seemed like easy pickings. In that latter category was San Jose State. Notice that I said "was." Clearly, the Spartans are much better than a couple of years ago. How they made such progress has to be the result of very good work by their new head coach. In any case, SJSU will not roll over and play dead.
In short, I really think that beating SJSU is crucial. 3-1 going into MWC play will make getting to 7 wins (the least number that will get us to a bowl, I think) practical though not necessarily easy.
On the other hand, if we take on Fresno with 2 losses, we may be in trouble. Look at it this way. If we barely managed to beat an FCS school and then lose to SJSU, what does that say about the program? After all, both were home games, both seemed quite winnable.
We would like to beat Fresno, Nevada, and Boise State. We need to beat San Jose State. We can't lose this game and expect 2012 to be as good as 2011. And what would a disappointing season say about our chances in the BE next season?
Beat the Spartans!
AzWm
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Post by pdraztec on Sept 19, 2012 9:36:40 GMT -8
I've been around Aztec football for way too many years to think there is such a thing as a "gimme game".
Never, I repeat never, should any of our games be considered a "gimme".
Need I bring up the words Cal Poly ( twice). UNLV, who was winless, and we could have gone to the Pointsettia Bowl, etc.
It seems that our teams, regardless of coaches, years, record, home advantage, bowl opportunity, or challenge ever seem to have the attitude of win every game regardless of opponent.
That type of resolve needs to be developed at SDSU to make us consistantly competitive and a respected/ feared opponent.
When in doubt......go back and look at some of those game films.
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Post by bearfoot on Sept 19, 2012 9:39:21 GMT -8
... As I've been reading all of the "sky is falling" comments from the board, I am reminded that the most important thing State can do is win the games it should win. Do that and we can become a consistent bowl team, get better recruits, and then, try and take that next step. We have had such a long bowl drought prior to the past 2 seasons, because each season we could not beat teams we should have been able to beat. SJSU is clearly a team we should beat, especially because we have them at home. You are correct that good teams ought to beat the beatable teams, but the problem is who gets to decide which are the beatable teams. We are favored by 3.5 over SJSU. That is not slam dunk type odds. I think slam dunk type of odds are more like being favored by 10+ points. |
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Post by fangdog on Sept 19, 2012 9:45:45 GMT -8
This reminds me of the concept of "key games." I believe I posted here some weeks ago that Fresno State would be a key game, since a W in Fresno would put us a lot closer to bowl eligibility without having to beat either Nevada (which remains a threat) and/or Wyoming (which now looks a lot less threatening). Fresno is still a very important game, but I now think that the San Jose State game is our first "key game." Most of us never thought we would beat Washington, and both Army and North Dakota seemed like easy pickings. In that latter category was San Jose State. Notice that I said "was." Clearly, the Spartans are much better than a couple of years ago. How they made such progress has to be the result of very good work by their new head coach. In any case, SJSU will not roll over and play dead. In short, I really think that beating SJSU is crucial. 3-1 going into MWC play will make getting to 7 wins (the least number that will get us to a bowl, I think) practical though not necessarily easy. On the other hand, if we take on Fresno with 2 losses, we may be in trouble. Look at it this way. If we barely managed to beat an FCS school and then lose to SJSU, what does that say about the program? After all, both were home games, both seemed quite winnable. We would like to beat Fresno, Nevada, and Boise State. We need to beat San Jose State. We can't lose this game and expect 2012 to be as good as 2011. And what would a disappointing season say about our chances in the BE next season? Beat the Spartans! AzWm Very insightful post, IMO. |
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Post by Draztec on Sept 19, 2012 11:02:12 GMT -8
Totally agree
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Post by halfnip on Sept 19, 2012 11:15:14 GMT -8
Agreed. And not to beat a dead horse here, but we've also got to beat teams we're not supposed to beat if we're going to take this program to the next level. I think the last game we won against a ranked/favored opponent was Air Force a few years ago.
Regardless of if SJSU is a good team this year, a loss would be critical...
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Post by Old School on Sept 19, 2012 11:19:26 GMT -8
If we prepare well, nothing that SJSU throws at us should be a surprise.
Oldie Out
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Post by aztecpaulg on Sept 19, 2012 13:21:56 GMT -8
... As I've been reading all of the "sky is falling" comments from the board, I am reminded that the most important thing State can do is win the games it should win. Do that and we can become a consistent bowl team, get better recruits, and then, try and take that next step. We have had such a long bowl drought prior to the past 2 seasons, because each season we could not beat teams we should have been able to beat. SJSU is clearly a team we should beat, especially because we have them at home. You don't get better recruits by making mediocre bowl games and losing to all the good teams you play without a gimmicky offense. We are getting better recruits than we did when we were going 3-9 every season. |
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Post by insider on Sept 19, 2012 13:28:08 GMT -8
You don't get better recruits by making mediocre bowl games and losing to all the good teams you play without a gimmicky offense. We are getting better recruits than we did when we were going 3-9 every season. QUITE THE STANDARD. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2012 14:07:30 GMT -8
We play better as underdogs, look at the Army game. The point spread for Army was absurd. I know I didn't make any friends in saying so but except for Army gaining a gazillion yards between twenties in 2011, there wasn't a single reason to think it would be close. In contrast, there are a number of reasons to think SJSU is going to give us a game. I think we will win but the game won't be anything like Army. |
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Post by monty on Sept 19, 2012 14:13:05 GMT -8
SJSU will be up for us as well
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2012 14:14:42 GMT -8
We are getting better recruits than we did when we were going 3-9 every season. QUITE THE STANDARD. Doesn't make the statement any less true. |
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Post by SuperAztec on Sept 19, 2012 14:19:54 GMT -8
You don't get better recruits by making mediocre bowl games and losing to all the good teams you play without a gimmicky offense. We are getting better recruits than we did when we were going 3-9 every season. I agree with both points. Ending up in a mediocre Bowl every year after say 10 years won't help us a lot, but Come on man, look at our Bowl History (if you can call it that) getting to Bowl game three years in a row would be great IMO - and winning would be even better. I just think that a bowl game vs. a "BCS" school would be helpful....and winning. But let's just win on Sat night and go from there. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2012 14:27:04 GMT -8
SJSU will be up for us as well Undoubtedly. Pre-season, I was concerned we might not get up for them. Don't need to worry about that anymore however. |
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