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Post by War-Ztec on Sept 16, 2012 8:15:45 GMT -8
So wait a minute....I just read the post about SJSU and how they almost beat Stanford last week and as you all might be aware by now, Stanford beat USC last night. We almost lost to UND last night and now we'll be playing SJSU next week........I get the sense Stanford last week was looking past SJSU to USC, so maybe just maybe SDSU was looking past UND last night........are you following me? Our defense might not be as bad as we think, they probably just got bored and was just thinking of SJSU, or so I'm hoping.
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Post by texasaztec on Sept 16, 2012 8:22:15 GMT -8
We had 1 touchdown run in by Katz that was called back due to penalty. A poor performance by the D, but we still got the W. That, in the end, is all that matters. All this nervousness over SJSU is simply stupid.
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Post by myownwords on Sept 16, 2012 8:25:19 GMT -8
We had 1 touchdown run in by Katz that was called back due to penalty. A poor performance by the D, but we still got the W. That, in the end, is all that matters. All this nervousness over SJSU is simply stupid. I guess we'll find out soon enough, just how stupid this concern is.
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Post by myownwords on Sept 16, 2012 8:26:12 GMT -8
So wait a minute....I just read the post about SJSU and how they almost beat Stanford last week and as you all might be aware by now, Stanford beat USC last night. We almost lost to UND last night and now we'll be playing SJSU next week........I get the sense Stanford last week was looking past SJSU to USC, so maybe just maybe SDSU was looking past UND last night........are you following me? Our defense might not be as bad as we think, they probably just got bored and was just thinking of SJSU, or so I'm hoping. OR, San Jose State is just a whole lot better than we want to believe, yes?
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Post by MontezumaPhil on Sept 16, 2012 8:32:54 GMT -8
Ordinarily I record home telecasts and watch them again when I get home. Not this time. The defense was unwatchable and I have my blood pressure to worry about. Several fans around me used the same word to describe the secondary: lazy.
An age-old Aztec problem was spotlighted once again last night whenever we saw ND's offensive linemen standing next to our D line. They dwarfed us. The don't-call-them-Sioux have some NFL-sized guys up front, making our front 8 look like we were the FCS school. And their wideouts were a head taller than our 5'XX" DBs. Also, we're known as a QB school, but it was ND who brought the big, mobile, strong-armed playmaker last night. I had to applaud his 2nd-half TD in the corner of the west end zone. If any scouts were there to look at Katz, they probably left talking about Hendrickson instead. Only ND's ineptitude at run defense saved us.
Somebody please explain how an FCS team gets offensive players like those guys while we once again must make do with our perennial defensive size disadvantage. How come SDSU basically can't recruit?
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Post by RiffelBooks on Sept 16, 2012 8:34:24 GMT -8
We should be concerned about San Jose State because they're a little better than they used to be. Probably not. Barring something weird, we should score in the 40s again. Question is how much the defense will give up.
Three observations from the end zone seats last night:
-- our safeties (warriors) are very good in run support, terrible in pass coverage. Every time Hardin lined up in the slot, I held my breath, because it was obvious we wouldn't be able to cover him.
-- whether it's corners, safeties or linebackers, we had no answer for their crossing pattern. It was open all night. We did improve our coverage as the game went on, from allowing them to run 10 or 20 yards after a catch on that route to tackling them quickly. But the pass was still completed.
-- remember that nightmare Wyoming game in Hoke's first year that took us out of bowl contention? That was what last night was like. The difference was the offense responded and put up enough points to win.
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Post by badfish on Sept 16, 2012 8:39:47 GMT -8
Great physicality last week, horrible tackling this week.
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Post by War-Ztec on Sept 16, 2012 8:41:58 GMT -8
So wait a minute....I just read the post about SJSU and how they almost beat Stanford last week and as you all might be aware by now, Stanford beat USC last night. We almost lost to UND last night and now we'll be playing SJSU next week........I get the sense Stanford last week was looking past SJSU to USC, so maybe just maybe SDSU was looking past UND last night........are you following me? Our defense might not be as bad as we think, they probably just got bored and was just thinking of SJSU, or so I'm hoping. Definitely. I've seen SJSU play and they are no laughing matter. But I'm not jumping ship, I think we match up well with them and I just gotta remember our team is basically inexperienced but growing by the minute. Last night might just turn out to be a veritable blessing in disguise on the way to more growth for the Aztecs. Should be a great game. OR, San Jose State is just a whole lot better than we want to believe, yes?
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Post by War-Ztec on Sept 16, 2012 8:46:04 GMT -8
Definitely. I've seen SJSU play and they are no laughing matter. But I'm not jumping ship, I think we match up well with them and I just gotta remember our team is basically inexperienced but growing by the minute. Last night might just turn out to be a veritable blessing in disguise on the way to more growth for the Aztecs. Should be a great game. OR, San Jose State is just a whole lot better than we want to believe, yes? OOOPS, still nursing a post game celibratory hangover.
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Post by 94sdsu on Sept 16, 2012 8:49:39 GMT -8
UND scored less than their season average so I'll take it.
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Post by killiansc on Sept 16, 2012 8:55:36 GMT -8
We had 1 touchdown run in by Katz that was called back due to penalty. A poor performance by the D, but we still got the W. That, in the end, is all that matters. All this nervousness over SJSU is simply stupid. The best post on this thread.
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Post by myownwords on Sept 16, 2012 9:13:08 GMT -8
Ordinarily I record home telecasts and watch them again when I get home. Not this time. The defense was unwatchable and I have my blood pressure to worry about. Several fans around me used the same word to describe the secondary: lazy. An age-old Aztec problem was spotlighted once again last night whenever we saw ND's offensive linemen standing next to our D line. They dwarfed us. The don't-call-them-Sioux have some NFL-sized guys up front, making our front 8 look like we were the FCS school. And their wideouts were a head taller than our 5'XX" DBs. Also, we're known as a QB school, but it was ND who brought the big, mobile, strong-armed playmaker last night. I had to applaud his 2nd-half TD in the corner of the west end zone. If any scouts were there to look at Katz, they probably left talking about Hendrickson instead. Only ND's ineptitude at run defense saved us. Somebody please explain how an FCS team gets offensive players like those guys while we once again must make do with our perennial defensive size disadvantage. How come SDSU basically can't recruit? Ah, THERE it is: recruiting! But we digress. Don't want to hurt the feelings of those who feel Rocky has done just fine in that department.
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Post by myownwords on Sept 16, 2012 9:57:51 GMT -8
I'm with James. Frankly, I'm amazed at how little vitriol there is here. My guess is almost nobody posting was actually there and Teddy Broadcast was so bored he talked about the Padres half the time so most folks don't know what a dumpster fire the defense was. Of SDSU defenses that actually tried rather than packing it in at halftime like so often happened when we were coached by UpChuck, I honestly think this was one of the worst performances I've ever seen from my alma mater. Virtually no pass rush whatsoever and a secondary that would have had difficulty covering me. (Well, maybe not. I'm old and I downed a lot of beer so maybe they could have covered me.) The surprising thing to me is I'm really not even pissed. What I am is even a lot more skeptical of Rocky's continuing to be the DC than I was when the season started. Maybe John is correct we treated it like a practice game. Considering the modest effort I observed, maybe he's right. I certainly hope so or we aren't going to qualify for a bowl game this year. SGF, right now it seems we have no choice other than to play out the string. But the experiment with a discount O-line coach is certainly questionable. As is the experiment with dual HC and DC responsiblities. If we bring in a new HC at the end of the season, I'm not sure anymore that I'd want Rocky to remain as DC.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2012 10:08:51 GMT -8
We had 1 touchdown run in by Katz that was called back due to penalty. A poor performance by the D, but we still got the W. That, in the end, is all that matters. All this nervousness over SJSU is simply stupid. Exactly!!! In the past the Aztecs would find a way to lose those type of games. The D was exposed but a win is a win.
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Post by walkonfan on Sept 16, 2012 10:15:00 GMT -8
;D Some observations on the D: I believe the first three games provided very good experience for our defense becasue of the varied styles of play. What did you see the AZTEC D do in the second half of the Washington Game? What was different? In the Washington game versus the ND game. I don't belive that ND has a better passing game than Washington. I did not see the second half of the ND-SDSU game, but did see the first half.
I would like to believe that coach Long tried to use a vanilla type pass rush and blitzes, without using special "twists" at the line of scrimage but Coach Longs post game interview indicated they tried all he could come up with.
The problems start for the AZTEC D when the opposing team has success with the flat passing game and brake tackles and run for yards. We saw this with Washington and ND. The AZTEC DB's need work on tackling big TE or WR's.
The AZTEC defense needs more work on executing pass rush and blitzes all the way to the QB. Too many times the LB's or DE are reaching for the QB, they don't finish on the QB. This appears to happen when you practice holding-up at the QB so you don't hurt the QB.
The ND-AZTEC game reminded me of last years bowl game with LA-Lafayette, where the AZTEC D could not get sufficient pressure on the QB so the guy threw passes all over the place and kept them in the game. Also, any mobile type QB that can pass gives the AZTEC D problems.
Teams like Fresno St and Nevada offenses will give the AZTECS problems becasue Fresno has a very good passing game and is better this year, and Nevada has a running QB.
Suggest that Coach Long and staff review the LA-Lafayette game, and come up with some schemes to put pressure on the QB so AZTECS can stop playing these deep zones just to prevent the "BIG PlaY" and the game does not turn into a shoot-out.
Also, putting a spy on the QB to prevent QB from running when the pass play breaks-down is a good idea.
walkonfan....GO STATE! ;D
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Post by myownwords on Sept 16, 2012 10:18:03 GMT -8
;D Some observations on the D: I believe the first three games provided very good experience for our defense becasue of the varied styles of play. What did you see the AZTEC D do in the second half of the Washington Game? What was different? In the Washington game versus the ND game. I don't belive that ND has a better passing game than Washington. I did not see the second half of the ND-SDSU game, but did see the first half. I would like to believe that coach Long tried to use a vanilla type pass rush and blitzes, without using special "twists" at the line of scrimage but Coach Longs post game interview indicated they tried all he could come up with. The problems start for the AZTEC D when the opposing team has success with the flat passing game and brake tackles and run for yards. We saw this with Washington and ND. The AZTEC DB's need work on tackling big TE or WR's. The AZTEC defense needs more work on executing pass rush and blitzes all the way to the QB. Too many times the LB's or DE are reaching for the QB, they don't finish on the QB. This appears to happen when you practice holding-up at the QB so you don't hurt the QB. The ND-AZTEC game reminded me of last years bowl game with LA-Lafayette, where the AZTEC D could not get sufficient pressure on the QB so the guy threw passes all over the place and kept them in the game. Also, any mobile type QB that can pass gives the AZTEC D problems. Teams like Fresno St and Nevada offenses will give the AZTECS problems becasue Fresno has a very good passing game and is better this year, and Nevada has a running QB. Suggest that Coach Long and staff review the LA-Lafayette game, and come up with some schemes to put pressure on the QB so AZTECS can stop playing these deep zones just to prevent the "BIG PlaY" and the game does not turn into a shoot-out. Also, putting a spy on the QB to prevent QB from running when the pass play breaks-down is a good idea. walkonfan....GO STATE! ;D Foolish me. Here I thought that was what spring and fall training camps set out to fix.
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Post by walkonfan on Sept 16, 2012 10:33:54 GMT -8
;D Oklahoma St. beat La-Lafayette yesterday, review of that film may be helpful. Also, Washington put pressure on AZTEC QB with pressure from the edge, with DBs converted to LBs the entire 1st haf, hint.. walkonfan.... GO STATE!
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Post by 99levi on Sept 16, 2012 13:18:18 GMT -8
Mental defensive mistakes and lack of effort. After we got out to a quick lead I think the D just kinda checked out. either way that was my impression and it resulted in the penalties and lack of tackling effort. Tackling is a mindset. No doubt our defense is good "when they want to be" but I was dissapointed in yesterdays defensive performance. We have to roll over opponents like this, put in the spear in and twist it. Leave NO DOUBT!! Props to 2, 42 & 50 for clocking in to work yesterday. I expect our defense will be running on all 11 cylinders next week after Rocky tears into them this week. At least that what needs to happen imho.
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Post by SD Johnny on Sept 16, 2012 13:42:33 GMT -8
I'm with James. Frankly, I'm amazed at how little vitriol there is here. Because it it was one bad defensive game (that we won) and our defense was excellent in the first two games against better opponents. I think the D will redeem themselves against SJSU.
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Post by SD Johnny on Sept 16, 2012 13:48:46 GMT -8
We had 1 touchdown run in by Katz that was called back due to penalty. A poor performance by the D, but we still got the W. That, in the end, is all that matters. All this nervousness over SJSU is simply stupid. I guess we'll find out soon enough, just how stupid this concern is. Myownwords, can you predict the rest of the season in wins and losses please? This way, if we win games you predict we lose we won't have to hear you bitch much that week. Thanks in advance. Here you go: SJSU Boise AFA Wyoming UNLV CSU Fresno Hawaii Nevada
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