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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2012 20:56:04 GMT -8
I don't know if Rocky is a good coach or not. But a Div 1 football team that goes into a season without a kicker that can't kickoff deeper than the 10 or reliably kick extra points has something wrong with it that can only be blamed on the coaching staff.
I'm not buying the 2point conversion as a strategy line. If it was a strategy, it was a desperate one that tells other coaches that we either have a really bad kicking game or a poor offense that needs to resort to gimmicks to stay in games. Genius, it isn't.
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Post by sdsuaztecs on Sept 2, 2012 21:11:18 GMT -8
Ok. Afan,
Dial 911 and get 5000 so-called kickers over to SDSU and you can spend the next four months evaluating them. But let's assume you pick the perfect kicker. The guy looks awesome, kicks from 75 yards right down the middle. So you put him in the game and he misses his first three kicks, now what? Fire Rocky or Sterk or Hirschman? Or kick the kicker off the team, save a scholarship and go for the 2-point? Or you take the responsibility and forever banished from participating or involvement in SDSU endeavors?
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Sept 2, 2012 21:21:46 GMT -8
I don't know if Rocky is a good coach or not. But a Div 1 football team that goes into a season without a kicker that can't kickoff deeper than the 10 or reliably kick extra points has something wrong with it that can only be blamed on the coaching staff. I'm not buying the 2point conversion as a strategy line. If it was a strategy, it was a desperate one that tells other coaches that we either have a really bad kicking game or a poor offense that needs to resort to gimmicks to stay in games. Genius, it isn't. The kickoffs are not intended to be kicked to the end zone. The new rule puts the ball at the 25 and not the 20. Hence, everyone and not jut state is trying loft the ball to no further than the 5 yard line.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2012 22:26:24 GMT -8
Hey if a guy can not catch a pass in practice all week do you play him? Nick is a Jack ass I can remember an arguemnt I got into it with him in Ed Graneys office at the UT about Tom Crafts hire, he praied it, I said was idiotic. wW also had a war gong on over Ted Tollner.,my letters to the paper and Nick indirect responces. I know this much if they start booting through the uprights in practice you will see them on field if not no.
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Post by bearfoot on Sept 2, 2012 23:57:11 GMT -8
I think Nick answered his own question. If you have a kicker that kicks 95% of his kicks through the uprrights from 60 yards, you kick the ball. But SDSU has never had that kind of kicker. So Nick.....with all due respect, you answered your own question. Buffalo lost a Superbowl because of a kicker and New England has won some Superbowls by having a good kicker. So what does that tell you? It's nice to have a good kicker. Evidently, the kid from Saint's was highly recruited, and he came here. Were the other teams wrong, or is coach making excuses?
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Post by bearfoot on Sept 3, 2012 0:00:47 GMT -8
Here's the real "flip side" guys. Rocky made some really gutsy calls last night. We failed. Ok....so now you're entitled to eviscerate him. That's fine. But he took responsibility for his decisions. He didn't blame the players for not getting it done on 4th down. So let's get Rocky...that's the solution. Perhaps you missed it, he is blaming the K for his decision. to paraphrase, "These kickers I have are no better than what I had last year. We have to do whatever so I don't have to use them."
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Post by bearfoot on Sept 3, 2012 0:06:55 GMT -8
Azthetic, Nick is an SDSU guy but he's brain-damaged by JYP's "convention". We've won a couple of games with good field goal kickers but lost a whole bunch more. And Nick admits a "bad" kicker (whatever that means) can cost you "W's". So who determines who is a good kicker v. a bad kicker? And if you don't know for sure you've got a "good" kicker, aren't you taking more risk by letting that guy kick rather than going for it? A less than average kicker can make the field goal Rocky decided against. No excuse for that.
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Post by k5james on Sept 3, 2012 0:36:34 GMT -8
Azthetic, Nick is an SDSU guy but he's brain-damaged by JYP's "convention". We've won a couple of games with good field goal kickers but lost a whole bunch more. And Nick admits a "bad" kicker (whatever that means) can cost you "W's". So who determines who is a good kicker v. a bad kicker? And if you don't know for sure you've got a "good" kicker, aren't you taking more risk by letting that guy kick rather than going for it? A less than average kicker can make the field goal Rocky decided against. No excuse for that. Tell that to Abel Perez last season...
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Post by 78aztec82 on Sept 3, 2012 4:13:58 GMT -8
I think Nick answered his own question. If you have a kicker that kicks 95% of his kicks through the uprrights from 60 yards, you kick the ball. But SDSU has never had that kind of kicker. So Nick.....with all due respect, you answered your own question. Buffalo lost a Superbowl because of a kicker and New England has won some Superbowls by having a good kicker. So what does that tell you? It's nice to have a good kicker. Evidently, the kid from Saint's was highly recruited, and he came here. Were the other teams wrong, or is coach making excuses? He supposedly has a small injury. Sent from my DROID RAZR using proboards
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Post by aztec70 on Sept 3, 2012 5:02:31 GMT -8
This is just anecdotal. Several years my son went to the Randy Jones baseball camp. The coaches were retired players. Lots of fun talking, or rather listening, to them. One conversation between several pitchers and a catcher was how the pitchers would have had longer careers if they could had more rest. They felt that managers used them like rented mules. They envied the current pitchers.
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Post by Xolotl on Sept 3, 2012 6:37:04 GMT -8
Canepa is not a coach .... nuff said!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2012 8:47:18 GMT -8
Ok. Afan, Dial 911 and get 5000 so-called kickers over to SDSU and you can spend the next four months evaluating them. But let's assume you pick the perfect kicker. The guy looks awesome, kicks from 75 yards right down the middle. So you put him in the game and he misses his first three kicks, now what? Fire Rocky or Sterk or Hirschman? Or kick the kicker off the team, save a scholarship and go for the 2-point? Or you take the responsibility and forever banished from participating or involvement in SDSU endeavors? Pretty hostile reply don't you think? It not my job to evaluate kickers, it's the coaching staff's job and one at which they have apparently failed miserably. As I said in my OP, I have no idea if Rocky is a good coach or not, I'll leave that determination to all of the experts on the board. I DO know that special teams are very important to any football team and it appears to me, an uniformed, non-expert that our special teams blow large smelly, festering chunks. But maybe kickoffs to the ten and risking a sure point on a 50-50 proposition of scoring 2 points are actually genius strategies no coach has ever thought of before.
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Post by aztecmusician on Sept 3, 2012 10:06:08 GMT -8
If the Aztecs are going for 2 after every TD, they need a more effective play call than Katz dropping back and lobbing a ball into double coverage.
Not having a dependable kicker is inexcusable, this is Div. 1A football.
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Sept 3, 2012 10:13:41 GMT -8
Here's the real "flip side" guys. Rocky made some really gutsy calls last night. We failed. Ok....so now you're entitled to eviscerate him. That's fine. But he took responsibility for his decisions. He didn't blame the players for not getting it done on 4th down. So let's get Rocky...that's the solution. Perhaps you missed it, he is blaming the K for his decision. to paraphrase, "These kickers I have are no better than what I had last year. We have to do whatever so I don't have to use them." Why put quotes around a paraphrase? Want to quote? Put up the quote.
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Post by Trujillos & Beer on Sept 3, 2012 10:19:01 GMT -8
Hey if a guy can not catch a pass in practice all week do you play him? I would certainly hope you wouldn't play a guy who didn't catch a ball in practice all week. A player would have to be pretty terrible to not catch a single ball in an entire week of practice. The only exception being injuries though that's aside from the point you're trying to make. So because he was wrong about one hire he is a jack ass? Something tells me you've been wrong about a lot of things in your life. I suppose that would make you a jack ass as well. Not that anybody takes a guy who writes letters to a newspaper seriously. That they aren't able to find somebody who can kick an extra point in practice is precisely the problem. It's one thing to forego 40+ yard FG's all season if you don't have a strong kicker. It's quite another to not attempt an XP. As somebody else already said, it's inexcusable.
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Post by smoketree on Sept 3, 2012 13:04:00 GMT -8
If I am a kicker for the Aztecs and I hear what Rocky is telling the press, I really wonder if I wouldn't leave right now. I don't like the idea of throwing kids under the bus at this level...Especially a true freshman, geez....Canepa basically says that Shamus ? the kid from Saints, had been an incredible kicker and then showed up at State and has been a disaster. Perhaps Rocky has maybe been to tough on the kid??? Sorry, but Rocky is old school and does not believe in being a cheerleader...Ok, fine but some kids need to be built up and not insulted....I have a very difficult time with that style coaching. I watch Fisher and he is very strict, however, he also is like a father figure to the kids and pumps them up when they are down....
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Post by ourtime on Sept 3, 2012 13:04:07 GMT -8
So does everybody just accept at face value, that in order to win close games you have to do something out of the ordinary to win? I always thought the team that made the most plays, and fewest mistakes, was the team likeliest to win close games.
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Post by bearfoot on Sept 3, 2012 13:10:28 GMT -8
A less than average kicker can make the field goal Rocky decided against. No excuse for that. Tell that to Abel Perez last season... Abel is gone, and besides Rocky let him try to kick. (Sometimes I disagreed with that too.)
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Post by bearfoot on Sept 3, 2012 13:11:35 GMT -8
Evidently, the kid from Saint's was highly recruited, and he came here. Were the other teams wrong, or is coach making excuses? He supposedly has a small injury. Sent from my DROID RAZR using proboards OK, fine. If Rocky had mentioned that perhaps more would understand.
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Post by bearfoot on Sept 3, 2012 13:13:45 GMT -8
Perhaps you missed it, he is blaming the K for his decision. to paraphrase, "These kickers I have are no better than what I had last year. We have to do whatever so I don't have to use them." Why put quotes around a paraphrase? Want to quote? Put up the quote. So it's better to be a grammar cop than discuss the post?
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