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Post by trellzmybro on Aug 9, 2012 13:52:57 GMT -8
This is completely off topic but one of my favorite players to watch this year will be James Rahon. Reason being is because he'll be in a more defined role that suits his ability, and because of that, he'll hit big shots for us like he did in 2010. Shooters don't need a ton of minutes to make an impact. He can play 15-20 mpg and be one of our most important players. Try guarding all that athleticism with a motivated, confident James Rahon spotting up in the corner. Good luck! ^This.
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Post by azteccc on Aug 9, 2012 14:18:05 GMT -8
This is completely off topic but one of my favorite players to watch this year will be James Rahon. Reason being is because he'll be in a more defined role that suits his ability, and because of that, he'll hit big shots for us like he did in 2010. Shooters don't need a ton of minutes to make an impact. He can play 15-20 mpg and be one of our most important players. Try guarding all that athleticism with a motivated, confident James Rahon spotting up in the corner. Good luck! ^This. Rahon begins the season as a starter and someone else will have to play consistently better than him to take the spot. Possible no doubt, but he'll start and play at least 20 mins for most of the nonconference.
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Post by 78aztec82 on Aug 9, 2012 14:41:50 GMT -8
I was hoping there would be a choice for "entire team."
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Post by TheSanDiegan on Aug 9, 2012 14:54:29 GMT -8
Rahon begins the season as a starter and someone else will have to play consistently better than him to take the spot. Possible no doubt, but he'll start and play at least 20 mins for most of the nonconference. I just don't see it as a given... not with X at PG, Tap in the 2-spot, and all the rich frontcourt talent we have this season to fill and rotate through the 3-5 spot(s). Put me in the camp that thinks that cat will do the most damage coming off the bench & shooting lights out in a similar role to 2010-2011. JayRay is an ALL WORLD 6th man IMO.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2012 15:14:24 GMT -8
Rahon begins the season as a starter and someone else will have to play consistently better than him to take the spot. Possible no doubt, but he'll start and play at least 20 mins for most of the nonconference. I just don't see it as a given... not with X at PG, Tap in the 2-spot, and all the rich frontcourt talent we have this season to fill and rotate through the 3-5 spot(s). Put me in the camp that thinks that cat will do the most damage coming off the bench & shooting light out in a similar role to 2010-2011. JayRay is an ALL WORLD 6th man IMO. I agree. In order to pencil in Rahon as a starter we'd be looking at another 4 guard lineup, which just doesn't seem necessary with the added guys we have.
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Post by iambballanalyst on Aug 9, 2012 15:19:24 GMT -8
Rahon begins the season as a starter and someone else will have to play consistently better than him to take the spot. Possible no doubt, but he'll start and play at least 20 mins for most of the nonconference. I don't see him starting. Polee and O'brien are just better players than him. Plus we could use size in the line up. I can see him being the 1st or 2nd guy off the bench though.
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Post by danloc09 on Aug 9, 2012 15:53:09 GMT -8
Funny, you just described Shepard... Shepard has huge problems putting the ball in the hole. As good a he may seem to be at passing, he's just as bad at footwork. In transition or on offensive rebounds against smaller players, Shepard can score, but ask him to score against a defender in the half court, it's not happening. He's a great defender if he only has to worry about 1 man, but his team defense will need to come a long way before you can call him a "good defender". That sounds almost exactly like Kawhi's freshman year to me. Also his team defense is fine, at Findlay he was asked to stop the best guy on the other team from getting the ball. He wasn't asked to help very often.
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Post by danloc09 on Aug 9, 2012 15:56:30 GMT -8
You're overrating scoring ability You're underrating scoring ability. Maybe, I'd just rather have Andre Iguodala than Monta Ellis. I think PPG is one of the most overrated things in basketball, but I get it's a favorite for lots of people.
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Post by iambballanalyst on Aug 9, 2012 15:58:42 GMT -8
Shepard has huge problems putting the ball in the hole. As good a he may seem to be at passing, he's just as bad at footwork. In transition or on offensive rebounds against smaller players, Shepard can score, but ask him to score against a defender in the half court, it's not happening. He's a great defender if he only has to worry about 1 man, but his team defense will need to come a long way before you can call him a "good defender". That sounds almost exactly like Kawhi's freshman year to me. Also his team defense is fine, at Findlay he was asked to stop the best guy on the other team from getting the ball. He wasn't asked to help very often. I remember Kawhi in high school, he was already smooth. He was a rebounding machine and he could score on his own. The two players are nothing alike. We'll see come season. I just hope the board doesn't bash the kid because the expectations of him are far too high.
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Post by danloc09 on Aug 9, 2012 16:00:43 GMT -8
That sounds almost exactly like Kawhi's freshman year to me. Also his team defense is fine, at Findlay he was asked to stop the best guy on the other team from getting the ball. He wasn't asked to help very often. I remember Kawhi in high school, he was already smooth. He was a rebounding machine and he could score on his own. The two players are nothing alike. We'll see come season. I just hope the board doesn't bash the kid because the expectations of him are far too high. That's my point though, I don't expect him to score much at all. I expect him to defend very well, rebound, and play well within the offense. His passing will be so valuable against zone defenses.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2012 16:02:57 GMT -8
I just hope they both have a great year and we make it to the final four.
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Post by danloc09 on Aug 9, 2012 16:04:21 GMT -8
You are right though in that we shouldn't compare the two, it isn't fair. I'm not trying to say Shep will be as good as Kawhi, just that they play in a similar way.
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Post by iambballanalyst on Aug 9, 2012 16:06:34 GMT -8
I remember Kawhi in high school, he was already smooth. He was a rebounding machine and he could score on his own. The two players are nothing alike. We'll see come season. I just hope the board doesn't bash the kid because the expectations of him are far too high. That's my point though, I don't expect him to score much at all. I expect him to defend very well, rebound, and play well within the offense. His passing will be so valuable against zone defenses. The thing that make Shepard's passing so ifficient in high school is because no team had anyone that could get into him enough to bother the dribble. With him being 6'8 on a team with guys taller than him, it allowed him to take advantage of mismtaches. College teams will have guys with similar size that can also get into and pressure his suspect handles. I'm not hating on him, it's just that after watching actual game footage of him...i'm not sold at all. He'll show flashes and he does have the ability to make the pass on the run, but in terms of pure "game", he's very limited in what he can do out there.
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Post by TheSanDiegan on Aug 9, 2012 16:09:23 GMT -8
...I just hope the board doesn't bash the kid because the expectations of him are far too high. I think the general perception - at least here - is that he is a "missing piece" (albeit it a rather important one), as opposed to a "savior" (I know, my words, not yours or anyone else's). I am admittedly one of those though who sees the addition of Shep as that extra something that pushes us over the 'hump' to the next level (i.e., E8 or F4), but as a piece of the puzzle, not as an end-all in and of himself... I personally have far greater expectations of Polee, the JJ's, DeShawn, X, and Maal than I do of Wins Tons coming in as a fresh.
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Post by iambballanalyst on Aug 9, 2012 16:19:12 GMT -8
...I just hope the board doesn't bash the kid because the expectations of him are far too high. I think the general perception - at least here - is that he is a "missing piece" (albeit it a rather important one), as opposed to a "savior" (I know, my words, not yours or anyone else's). I am admittedly one of those though who sees the addition of Shep as that extra something that pushes us over the 'hump' to the next level (i.e., E8 or F4), but as a piece of the puzzle, not as an end-all in and of himself... I personally have far greater expectations of Polee, the JJ's, DeShawn, X, and Maal than I do of Wins Tons coming in as a fresh. Well if that's the case, that makes way more sense. He'll be help off the bench at best. I honestly feel like Shrigley will be more of a help. He has far more tools and a better overall game. Shepard gets praised for his "passing ability" but it isn't any better than the guys we already have, he's just doing it at 6'8. I think everyone needs to lower the expectations just a bit so the kid will at least have a chance to impress the board.
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Post by danloc09 on Aug 9, 2012 16:25:27 GMT -8
That's my point though, I don't expect him to score much at all. I expect him to defend very well, rebound, and play well within the offense. His passing will be so valuable against zone defenses. The thing that make Shepard's passing so ifficient in high school is because no team had anyone that could get into him enough to bother the dribble. With him being 6'8 on a team with guys taller than him, it allowed him to take advantage of mismtaches. College teams will have guys with similar size that can also get into and pressure his suspect handles. I'm not hating on him, it's just that after watching actual game footage of him...i'm not sold at all. He'll show flashes and he does have the ability to make the pass on the run, but in terms of pure "game", he's very limited in what he can do out there. I don't know what else to say other than you haven't watched him enough. When I say passing against a zone I mean his ability to hit a guy on the weak side from the right elbow. I've seen him pull that pass off multiple times. Where are these 6'8" defenders that are at the top of the zone on D. And it's not just his ability to make said pass, it's his vision to see it that is really impressive. And suspect handles? Did you watch Kawhi's freshman year? Or even your boy Jamaal's? Shep's handles for his size are pretty damn good, enough at least for there to be talk of him running the offense for stretches.
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Post by danloc09 on Aug 9, 2012 16:26:27 GMT -8
I think the general perception - at least here - is that he is a "missing piece" (albeit it a rather important one), as opposed to a "savior" (I know, my words, not yours or anyone else's). I am admittedly one of those though who sees the addition of Shep as that extra something that pushes us over the 'hump' to the next level (i.e., E8 or F4), but as a piece of the puzzle, not as an end-all in and of himself... I personally have far greater expectations of Polee, the JJ's, DeShawn, X, and Maal than I do of Wins Tons coming in as a fresh. Well if that's the case, that makes way more sense. He'll be help off the bench at best. I honestly feel like Shrigley will be more of a help. He has far more tools and a better overall game. Shepard gets praised for his "passing ability" but it isn't any better than the guys we already have, he's just doing it at 6'8. I think everyone needs to lower the expectations just a bit so the kid will at least have a chance to impress the board. Welp. I'm done.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2012 16:32:20 GMT -8
Well if that's the case, that makes way more sense. He'll be help off the bench at best. I honestly feel like Shrigley will be more of a help. He has far more tools and a better overall game. Shepard gets praised for his "passing ability" but it isn't any better than the guys we already have, he's just doing it at 6'8. I think everyone needs to lower the expectations just a bit so the kid will at least have a chance to impress the board. Welp. I'm done. He's the only person who would think Shrigley is better than Winston.
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Post by iambballanalyst on Aug 9, 2012 16:34:11 GMT -8
The thing that make Shepard's passing so ifficient in high school is because no team had anyone that could get into him enough to bother the dribble. With him being 6'8 on a team with guys taller than him, it allowed him to take advantage of mismtaches. College teams will have guys with similar size that can also get into and pressure his suspect handles. I'm not hating on him, it's just that after watching actual game footage of him...i'm not sold at all. He'll show flashes and he does have the ability to make the pass on the run, but in terms of pure "game", he's very limited in what he can do out there. I don't know what else to say other than you haven't watched him enough. When I say passing against a zone I mean his ability to hit a guy on the weak side from the right elbow. I've seen him pull that pass off multiple times. Where are these 6'8" defenders that are at the top of the zone on D. And it's not just his ability to make said pass, it's his vision to see it that is really impressive. And suspect handles? Did you watch Kawhi's freshman year? Or even your boy Jamaal's? Shep's handles for his size are pretty damn good, enough at least for there to be talk of him running the offense for stretches. I could see zone passing being one of his strong points. My biggest concern with him is his ability to handle the ball against pressure defense. being 6'8 allows him to see over the defense from the wing spot, but that's it. I don't think we'll sacrifice what Polee and O'brien are able to do, just so Winston can make a few passes against the zone. Like I said, I'm just not sold yet. I'll be watching with an open mind and low expectations.
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Post by danloc09 on Aug 9, 2012 17:07:25 GMT -8
He's the only person who would think Shrigley is better than Winston. I hope so.
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