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Post by badfish on Jul 3, 2012 19:05:23 GMT -8
FWIW, rivals gave him a 2* 5.4 rating. A 5.5 is a 3*, so he was as good as a 2* gets.
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Post by GothamCityRogue on Jul 3, 2012 20:26:24 GMT -8
He's under rated. A versatile offensive player like him ought to ranked minimum 3*.
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Post by pdraztec on Jul 5, 2012 12:08:58 GMT -8
They also gave Dakota a 2* rating........probably one of the yo-yos from the midwest......guess they aren't reading/accepting the praises from Agustin.
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Post by ernieaztec on Jul 5, 2012 15:20:18 GMT -8
He's under rated. A versatile offensive player like him ought to ranked minimum 3*. did you see his tape?2*
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Post by k5james on Jul 5, 2012 15:22:04 GMT -8
He's under rated. A versatile offensive player like him ought to ranked minimum 3*. did you see his tape?2* You clearly didn't...or at least couldn't process what you saw.
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Post by ernieaztec on Jul 5, 2012 16:51:23 GMT -8
huh? watch it again.. hes a tall slim kid who runs a low 4.8 and had like 5 td catch. get off line slow to with slow feet
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Post by ernieaztec on Jul 5, 2012 16:51:53 GMT -8
i like turner though as 3*
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Post by k5james on Jul 5, 2012 17:16:54 GMT -8
huh? watch it again.. hes a tall slim kid who runs a low 4.8 and had like 5 td catch. get off line slow to with slow feet Like I said...
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 5, 2012 17:30:04 GMT -8
I don't think Ernie's future is in talent evaluation.
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 6, 2012 6:24:09 GMT -8
#1 works in a lot of cases, but there are a lot of reasons why a kid flies under the radar. It's well known Rivals in particular boosts kids that go to various camps. I trust that our stuff can evaluate talent and coach them up once they get here.
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Post by spgonzo on Jul 6, 2012 8:36:41 GMT -8
#1 works in a lot of cases, but there are a lot of reasons why a kid flies under the radar. It's well known Rivals in particular boosts kids that go to various camps. I trust that our stuff can evaluate talent and coach them up once they get here. He went to camps. He won the MVP at one. You can't just show up at a camp. They are, for the most part, invite only. You get invited based on game film and stats. Also, he plays in the Fresno area and won a CIF championship. Its not like this guy is playing in the middle of nowhere in Idaho or anything. That area produces a lot of D1 talent, so it is not about exposure. An offer list is the only quantitative way to compare recruits. Game film can be interpreted very differently by different people. Bottom line is we have to start expecting more. We can't always say or think he is going to be the next Leon McFadden or Gavin Escobar. Obviously, we all want that, but it is extremely rare for 2 stars to pan out like they did. Maybe I am different than a lot of you, but I like beating out the Big Boys for a recruit. Kwayde Miller is a good start. I would rather have more K. Miller's than D. Wells.
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Post by k5james on Jul 6, 2012 9:03:14 GMT -8
#1 works in a lot of cases, but there are a lot of reasons why a kid flies under the radar. It's well known Rivals in particular boosts kids that go to various camps. I trust that our stuff can evaluate talent and coach them up once they get here. He went to camps. He won the MVP at one. You can't just show up at a camp. They are, for the most part, invite only. You get invited based on game film and stats. Also, he plays in the Fresno area and won a CIF championship. Its not like this guy is playing in the middle of nowhere in Idaho or anything. That area produces a lot of D1 talent, so it is not about exposure. An offer list is the only quantitative way to compare recruits. Game film can be interpreted very differently by different people. Bottom line is we have to start expecting more. We can't always say or think he is going to be the next Leon McFadden or Gavin Escobar. Maybe I am different than a lot of you, but I like beating out the Big Boys for a recruit. Kwayde Miller is a good start. I would rather have more K. Miller's than D. Wells. He didn't go to a "rivals" camp though. He also played QB which hurt his recruiting since that's not what he'll play at the next level. Tyler Morris was a NR prospect when he committed and now he's a three star. Why don't you wait until February to start criticizing our class. We all like beating out the big boys, we're just not going "chicken little" over our recruiting in early effing July, like you are.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2012 9:03:43 GMT -8
I don't think Ernie's future is in talent evaluation. I don't know Ernie, but as we have all should have learned by now, it's safer to err on the side of caution when evaluating these guys. To me, there are two measures of how "good" a recruit is: 1. who else wanted him and, more important... 2. ...how good a player he is HERE in two or three years. Granted, Ernie seems cynical even by my standards. I agree completely as to your first criterion. However, a caveat is in order. That is, once a kid gives a "solid" or "firm" verbal to a school, schools who were otherwise looking at him tend to look elsewhere. This kid from Hawaii won't get any other offers now because he's so set on going to SDSU. He has family in SD, didn't want to go all the way back to the east coast and so passed on Army, likes the 3-3-5, etc. Naturally, that caveat doesn't apply to all kids who verbal, but it does to maybe a third of them.
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Post by spgonzo on Jul 6, 2012 9:22:02 GMT -8
He went to camps. He won the MVP at one. You can't just show up at a camp. They are, for the most part, invite only. You get invited based on game film and stats. Also, he plays in the Fresno area and won a CIF championship. Its not like this guy is playing in the middle of nowhere in Idaho or anything. That area produces a lot of D1 talent, so it is not about exposure. An offer list is the only quantitative way to compare recruits. Game film can be interpreted very differently by different people. Bottom line is we have to start expecting more. We can't always say or think he is going to be the next Leon McFadden or Gavin Escobar. Maybe I am different than a lot of you, but I like beating out the Big Boys for a recruit. Kwayde Miller is a good start. I would rather have more K. Miller's than D. Wells. He didn't go to a "rivals" camp though. He also played QB which hurt his recruiting since that's not what he'll play at the next level. Tyler Morris was a NR prospect when he committed and now he's a three star. Why don't you wait until February to start criticizing our class. We all like beating out the big boys, we're just not going "chicken little" over our recruiting in early effing July, like you are. The big boys get their guys early. I guess we get to pick up what is left over. I am not going chicken little, I just don't like the way things are going. Look at the classes of the New Big East teams. We are getting smoked, right now. Houston, UCF and SMU have multiple 3 stars on board. UCF has nine 3 stars on board. Rutgers has nine 3 stars. Louisville has eight 3 stars and will probably get a few 4 stars when it is all said and done. Pitt has a 4 star on board and will get a few more. USF will get a few 4 stars and so will Cincinnati. These are the guys we will be playing very soon. I know we are a long ways away from Signing Day, but we are not on the same level as our new conference rivals as a stands now. In the 2012 class, Rutgers had a 5 star, four 4 stars and thirteen 3 stars. Again, these are the teams we will be preparing for in a year.
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Post by k5james on Jul 6, 2012 9:30:30 GMT -8
He didn't go to a "rivals" camp though. He also played QB which hurt his recruiting since that's not what he'll play at the next level. Tyler Morris was a NR prospect when he committed and now he's a three star. Why don't you wait until February to start criticizing our class. We all like beating out the big boys, we're just not going "chicken little" over our recruiting in early effing July, like you are. The big boys get their guys early. I guess we get to pick up what is left over. I am not going chicken little, I just don't like the way things are going. Look at the classes of the New Big East teams. We are getting smoked, right now. Houston, UCF and SMU have multiple 3 stars on board. UCF has nine 3 stars on board. Rutgers has nine 3 stars. Louisville has eight 3 stars and will probably get a few 4 stars when it is all said and done. Pitt has a 4 star on board and will get a few more. USF will get a few 4 stars and so will Cincinnati. These are the guys we will be playing very soon. I know we are a long ways away from Signing Day, but we are not on the same level as our new conference rivals as a stands now. The key term is "now." What does it matter if the three star kid commits to us in July or December? Those schools have a lead on us now, big deal. Like I said, get back to us in February. We didn't land Miller's verbal until the end of September last year.
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Post by badfish on Jul 6, 2012 9:35:22 GMT -8
We will be getting those kind of recruiting classes after our first season in the BE. Until then, I'm confident the guys we get can develop into good players.
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Post by spgonzo on Jul 6, 2012 9:36:21 GMT -8
The big boys get their guys early. I guess we get to pick up what is left over. I am not going chicken little, I just don't like the way things are going. Look at the classes of the New Big East teams. We are getting smoked, right now. Houston, UCF and SMU have multiple 3 stars on board. UCF has nine 3 stars on board. Rutgers has nine 3 stars. Louisville has eight 3 stars and will probably get a few 4 stars when it is all said and done. Pitt has a 4 star on board and will get a few more. USF will get a few 4 stars and so will Cincinnati. These are the guys we will be playing very soon. I know we are a long ways away from Signing Day, but we are not on the same level as our new conference rivals as a stands now. The key term is "now." What does it matter if the three star kid commits to us in July or December? Those schools have a lead on us now, big deal. Like I said, get back to us in February. We didn't land Miller's verbal until the end of September last year. You can look at it however you want. There is no momentum right now. It is not trending in the right direction.
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Post by k5james on Jul 6, 2012 9:44:56 GMT -8
The key term is "now." What does it matter if the three star kid commits to us in July or December? Those schools have a lead on us now, big deal. Like I said, get back to us in February. We didn't land Miller's verbal until the end of September last year. You can look at it however you want. There is no momentum right now. It is not trending in the right direction. That's YOUR opinion based on severely incomplete data.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2012 9:50:39 GMT -8
He didn't go to a "rivals" camp though. He also played QB which hurt his recruiting since that's not what he'll play at the next level. Tyler Morris was a NR prospect when he committed and now he's a three star. Why don't you wait until February to start criticizing our class. We all like beating out the big boys, we're just not going "chicken little" over our recruiting in early effing July, like you are. The big boys get their guys early. I guess we get to pick up what is left over. I am not going chicken little, I just don't like the way things are going. Look at the classes of the New Big East teams. We are getting smoked, right now. Houston, UCF and SMU have multiple 3 stars on board. UCF has nine 3 stars on board. Rutgers has nine 3 stars. Louisville has eight 3 stars and will probably get a few 4 stars when it is all said and done. Pitt has a 4 star on board and will get a few more. USF will get a few 4 stars and so will Cincinnati. These are the guys we will be playing very soon. I know we are a long ways away from Signing Day, but we are not on the same level as our new conference rivals as a stands now. In the 2012 class, Rutgers had a 5 star, four 4 stars and thirteen 3 stars. Again, these are the teams we will be preparing for in a year. You make some good points but let's be objective here. It's unfair to compare SDSU to existing BE schools until we're actually in the conference. So next year will be a better comparison and 2014 will be better still. Regarding other schools which won't join until July 2013, Houston and Boise are blowing us away but considering how vastly better they have been than us, that's to be expected. SMU has gotten 14 verbals but a pathetic four are rated three stars. Frankly, that in unimpressive, bordering on sucks out loud. Also, Temple and Memphis have just two 3-star guys out of eight and seven verbals, respectively. So none of those three is performing any better than we are right now. They simply have more verbals from 2-star kids. Big deal. The only school I'm concerned about is UCF. Like SDSU, the Knights won't join the BE until July 2013 have been up and down football-wise and are located in a state with a bunch of AQ schools to compete against on the one hand, but a ton of HS quality on the other. Right now, UCF has ten verbals, eight of which are 3-star guys. THAT is where I think SDSU should be within the next few months. If we aren't, then you'll see me complain too.
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Post by GothamCityRogue on Jul 6, 2012 9:52:09 GMT -8
Ernie and spgonzo sitting under a tree k-i-s-s-i-n-g... First comes bitchiness Then comes pessimism
Go back to sucking your thumbs cry babies!
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