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Post by RockNFish on May 25, 2012 9:16:25 GMT -8
1. Boise State and San Diego State officials have previously projected the Big East's media rights between $6 million and $10 million for each school. Those numbers would dwarf the $1.5 million each school received in the Mountain West, but if the Broncos and Aztecs only earn $4 million, is that worth flying cross country for football games and moving their Olympic sports to other leagues? SDSU's consultant estimated in the low 6 millions up to as much as 10 mil. More significantly, Boise isn't getting into the Big West unless it subsidizes travel for other schools not named SDSU. Therefore, if it's only $4M, I highly doubt Boise is going to be able to accomplish that subsidization so if it's that low, I highly doubt Boise will be joining the BE/BW. Will SDSU be joining without Boise? Some here have said yes without explaining why. I'd sure like to hear their explanation for that. 2. WTH does Pilson's age have to do with anything, JYP? The guy is 72. So what? That's completely over the hill for many professions but definitely not for somebody with his background who's now merely a consultant. 3. The above having been said, although I agree with L.A.Aztec that the unnamed "insider" could easily be from CBSSports, which has an interest in seeing the BE contract become a POS for the conference, there isn't anybody out there these days with more credibility of McMurphy. Therefore, although there may be a bias involved, you can bet the "insider" is in fact an insider. It's May 25. So Boise has just 36 more days to withdraw from the MWC without getting hit with a substantial penalty for leaving. Meanwhile the Not So Big West seems to be playing big time hardball with the Broncos. Many of you are saying everything is going to be A-O.K. with the Aztecs and the BE. However, color me as getting more concerned every week about the possibility of our getting stuck in what is going to be a football-horrible MWC. I'm with you on getting a bit nervous - this stuff just never ends. Looks like Hawaii pays $500,000 annually in travel subsidies, even if you assume that BSU pays the same amount and the BE contract is only 3M they're still 1.5M ahead (with 12 teams mountain-worst teams get 1M). Is that enough to deal with having 2 east coast trips a year? Probably- and the 5M exit fee that BSU would have to pay the BE may come into play as well (depending on how much the mw can help ). Nervous yes, but still optimistic that we'll be better off 18 months from now - maybe not going to hit the lotto, but going to get a decent increase. |
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Post by RB Aztec on May 25, 2012 9:20:42 GMT -8
1. Boise State and San Diego State officials have previously projected the Big East's media rights between $6 million and $10 million for each school. Those numbers would dwarf the $1.5 million each school received in the Mountain West, but if the Broncos and Aztecs only earn $4 million, is that worth flying cross country for football games and moving their Olympic sports to other leagues? SDSU's consultant estimated in the low 6 millions up to as much as 10 mil. More significantly, Boise isn't getting into the Big West unless it subsidizes travel for other schools not named SDSU. Therefore, if it's only $4M, I highly doubt Boise is going to be able to accomplish that subsidization so if it's that low, I highly doubt Boise will be joining the BE/BW. Will SDSU be joining without Boise? Some here have said yes without explaining why. I'd sure like to hear their explanation for that. 2. WTH does Pilson's age have to do with anything, JYP? The guy is 72. So what? That's completely over the hill for many professions but definitely not for somebody with his background who's now merely a consultant. 3. The above having been said, although I agree with L.A.Aztec that the unnamed "insider" could easily be from CBSSports, which has an interest in seeing the BE contract become a POS for the conference, there isn't anybody out there these days with more credibility of McMurphy. Therefore, although there may be a bias involved, you can bet the "insider" is in fact an insider. It's May 25. So Boise has just 36 more days to withdraw from the MWC without getting hit with a substantial penalty for leaving. Meanwhile the Not So Big West seems to be playing big time hardball with the Broncos. Many of you are saying everything is going to be A-O.K. with the Aztecs and the BE. However, color me as getting more concerned every week about the possibility of our getting stuck in what is going to be a football-horrible MWC. I'm with you on getting a bit nervous - this stuff just never ends. Looks like Hawaii pays $500,000 annually in travel subsidies, even if you assume that BSU pays the same amount and the BE contract is only 3M they're still 1.5M ahead (with 12 teams mountain-worst teams get 1M). Is that enough to deal with having 2 east coast trips a year? Probably- and the 5M exit fee that BSU would have to pay the BE may come into play as well (depending on how much the mw can help ). Nervous yes, but still optimistic that we'll be better off 18 months from now - maybe not going to hit the lotto, but going to get a decent increase. Where does Hawaii get the travel subsidies from? Isn't money tight over on the islands too? |
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Post by RockNFish on May 25, 2012 9:22:30 GMT -8
I almost hope Georgetown and the other non-football schools just whine so much about the dollars that they decide to go their separate way and then the football schools put together a best of the have-nots nationwide conference for all sports. Obviously basketball wouldn't be nearly as good without the Catholic schools but the football would still be immensely better than the MWC and conference locations would be vastly more populated. So our travel expenses would obviously increase and we wouldn't earn quite as much in TV revenue but since that separation is probably inevitable anyway once ND leaves, maybe it might as well happen immediately. I think the bball schools are necessary - if NBC is desperate for content, big east bball would add a lot of value for them. Also, the ND tie in certainly helps (the whole BE lead in game). And IF the mega conference do come about and the big4 want to break away from the NCAA, the NCAA tournament is the one thing they can't match, having the bball only schools committed to the BE has many benefits. Madness I tell you Madness! 6 more months of crazy to come  |
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Post by RockNFish on May 25, 2012 9:28:42 GMT -8
Where does Hawaii get the travel subsidies from? Isn't money tight over on the islands too? Looks like they get 11M from school funds... fairly high amount. You wonder how much longer they can do that. Although I think?? the average citizen is pretty proud of UH athletics, so maybe not the same pressure as here?? |
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2012 10:05:11 GMT -8
Where does Hawaii get the travel subsidies from? Isn't money tight over on the islands too? According to a Hawaii fan on the MWC board, UH has a pay-per-view setup of some sort which earns the school about $4M per year. (Not bad, huh?) So the subsidy will presumably be paid out of that. Also, IIRC, Hawaii isn't paying 100% of the travel costs. The half mil quoted above by RockN sounds accurate but it won't cover everybody's costs. The thinking of the rest of the BW schools (SDSU won't be subsidized at all) is that if they have to pay a bit out of pocket, there are some costs to travel anywhere and, in this case, the teams get a trip to the Islands. I highly doubt Boise is viewed the same way as a travel destination. One comment occurs to me about what SDSU should NOT do. The MWC made next to no effort to keep Boise in. Thompson and CSU's AD traveled to Boise a week ago to make an eleventh hour pitch to dissuade Boise from joining the BE but it looks to most folks like that was a CYA thing so they could tell fans and the media they made the effort. So it sure looks like that for at least a year if not still, the MWC's approach has been that it's better to show Boise who's boss than swallow your pride and do what's ultimately best for the conference. Should SDSU stay in the MWC? IMO, it depends on a number of factors. However, one of them should not be to show the MWC who's boss. If Boise can't get accepted to the BE and the BE refuses to add Fresno instead and the TV dollars aren't what we're expecting, if the BE still wants us to come but we would take a bath in travel expenses, it seems to me we should swallow our pride and stay in the MWC. |
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Post by aztech on May 25, 2012 10:24:51 GMT -8
Where does Hawaii get the travel subsidies from? Isn't money tight over on the islands too? Looks like they get 11M from school funds... fairly high amount. You wonder how much longer they can do that. Although I think?? the average citizen is pretty proud of UH athletics, so maybe not the same pressure as here?? I believe they get to keep their own Tier 3 rights as a football only member. That more than offsets their $500K travel subsidies. No, the MWC has our Tier 3 rights, if that's what you're thinking. Can you imagine how much our share would be if Chan 4 paid SDSU instead of the MWC to televise our games? In fact, look what we're stuck with. A s#!++y long term TV contract, no Tier 3 rights, little MTN coverage which is adios after May 31st anyway. I hope to hell the nBE move works out so we can get out of this mess. Hair and the presidents are nothing but country bumpkin negotiators. |
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Post by sdsuaztecs on May 25, 2012 10:40:34 GMT -8
I'd like to know how Boise can even make an intelligent decision about leaving the MWC if they don't know what the tv money is going to be. Boise has already committed to leaving the MWC so unless I'm mssing something Boise must believe the number is around $10.0M per year. And NBC is going to make sure they get the BEast tv rights so they aren't going to offer $5.0M. ESPN could still offer more than NBC if they think their is significant marginal value in keeping the BEast tv rights. I don't see CBS having anywhere near the same interest in BEast football as NBC or ESPN. Ditto Fox. However, I think Facebook might be the best bet for BEast football because Facebook currently offers no live tv entertainment and having the BEast tv rights could give Facebook a jumpstart on Apple or Google in providing live college football online.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2012 10:51:25 GMT -8
I think Facebook might be the best bet for BEast football because Facebook currently offers no live tv entertainment and having the BEast tv rights could give Facebook a jumpstart on Apple or Google in providing live college football online. That's pretty much my reaction whenever I hear folks say internet streaming will be the next big thing. As to Boise, they still haven't officially left the MWC. They have simply officially said they will join the BE. The difference is apparently more than semantics since it all comes down to money. So I agree with you about Boise's dilemma in making a decision. Of course, it could all come down to the WAC. If Boise could manage to persuade NMSU, Idaho, Seattle and Denver to remain in and Lamar and Utah Valley to still join, SDSU would probably join even if we had to pay a $1.5M "exit fee" even though we hadn't yet joined. (As James said, you can bet SDSU would initially refuse to pay, which would result in a lawsuit, which would be settled for half that or so. See WVU and the Big East.) BTW, until hearing it this morning on Rivals Radio, I wasn't aware that Pat Knight is now the coach at Lamar. |
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Post by sdsuaztecs on May 25, 2012 13:54:17 GMT -8
One thing I forgot to add about Facebook......Facebook offers worldwide exposure. NBC Sports or any of the cable networks don't. Not that that necessarily means anything right now but being exposed to a worldwide market probably translates to some mega-bucks in the not too distant future.
If nothing else, I'd like to see the BEast offer the tv package to Google, Facebook and Apple and see what happens. My suspicion is $10.0M per year per team might be a give-away.
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Post by aztec70 on May 25, 2012 14:08:50 GMT -8
One thing I forgot to add about Facebook......Facebook offers worldwide exposure. NBC Sports or any of the cable networks don't. Not that that necessarily means anything right now but being exposed to a worldwide market probably translates to some mega-bucks in the not too distant future. If nothing else, I'd like to see the BEast offer the tv package to Google, Facebook and Apple and see what happens. My suspicion is $10.0M per year per team might be a give-away. Why would anyone need facebook to go online with their events? How many of us logged on to watch March Madness on their office computers? |
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Post by sdsuaztecs on May 25, 2012 14:12:23 GMT -8
Aztec70,
Let's see what Facebook, Apple or Google offer. Maybe it's zero. I have no idea.....I doubt it's zero though. Wouldn't it be cool to pull up Aztec football in Shanghai or Bangkok or Casablanca LIVE?
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2012 14:13:05 GMT -8
One thing I forgot to add about Facebook......Facebook offers worldwide exposure. NBC Sports or any of the cable networks don't. Not that that necessarily means anything right now but being exposed to a worldwide market probably translates to some mega-bucks in the not too distant future. If nothing else, I'd like to see the BEast offer the tv package to Google, Facebook and Apple and see what happens. My suspicion is $10.0M per year per team might be a give-away. Why would anyone need facebook to go online with their events? How many of us logged on to watch March Madness on their office computers? I thought the guy was kidding too. Must be because you and I are libtards, huh? |
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Post by 78aztec82 on May 25, 2012 14:17:42 GMT -8
I almost hope Georgetown and the other non-football schools just whine so much about the dollars that they decide to go their separate way and then the football schools put together a best of the have-nots nationwide conference for all sports. Obviously basketball wouldn't be nearly as good without the Catholic schools but the football would still be immensely better than the MWC and conference locations would be vastly more populated. So our travel expenses would obviously increase and we wouldn't earn quite as much in TV revenue but since that separation is probably inevitable anyway once ND leaves, maybe it might as well happen immediately. I caution against that. The Big East brand is a huge commodity and losing that, even with a more competitive hoops group would be troublesome to the networks. Keep the Big East brand until the bidders offer equivalency or a unique idea. Sent from my DROID RAZR using ProBoards |
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Post by 1611Luginbill on May 25, 2012 14:23:47 GMT -8
Maybe it's zero. I have no idea.....I doubt it's zero though. It would be pretty darn close to zero because it is a terrible idea. Big East might as well offer the coverage to Sears. Imagine being able to walk into any Sears in the world or log onto Sears.com and watch exciting Big East football. |
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Post by sdsuaztecs on May 25, 2012 14:28:20 GMT -8
Charlie,
You would be so damn proud of BEast football if SDSU got $25M or $30M a year from Google you couldn't see straight.....and don't tell me otherwise. But you never know unless you try and the timing of all this is really fantastic. All of the other D-1 conferences are contractually-obligated forever. The BEast is not. Huge advantage.......exploit it.!!!!@
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Post by 1611Luginbill on May 25, 2012 14:30:54 GMT -8
Charlie, You would be so damn proud of BEast football if SDSU got $25M or $30M a year from Google you couldn't see straight. What if Kraft Foods offered SDSU a trillion dollars? YOU WOULD BE DOING BACKFLIPS! |
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Post by 1611Luginbill on May 25, 2012 14:32:06 GMT -8
The Big East should approach 3M to see how much they would offer to cover the football contract.
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Post by sdsuaztecs on May 25, 2012 14:39:32 GMT -8
My understanding is that Jim Cramer has made an offer.......
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Post by 78aztec82 on May 25, 2012 15:00:27 GMT -8
The Big East should approach 3M to see how much they would offer to cover the football contract. I heard Muzac corp is interested. We could be in every elevator and lobby in the country! Sent from my DROID RAZR using ProBoards |
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Post by Strawberry Puppy Kisses on May 25, 2012 15:01:36 GMT -8
Charlie, You would be so damn proud of BEast football if SDSU got $25M or $30M a year from Google you couldn't see straight. What if Kraft Foods offered SDSU a trillion dollars? YOU WOULD BE DOING BACKFLIPS! Kraft offered a trillion dollars? TAKE IT |
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