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Post by AztecBill on Jan 24, 2012 10:45:32 GMT -8
| Pitchers: | | | Anthony Bass, | $480,000 | | Brad Brach, | $480,000 | | Ernesto Frieri, | $480,000 | | Luke Gregerson, | $1,550,000 | | Cory Luebke, | $480,000 | | Clayton Richard, | $2,705,000 | | Dustin Moseley, | $2,012,500 | | Edison Volquez, | $2,237,500 | | Andrew Cashner, | $480,000 | | Tim Stauffer, | $3,200,000 | | Huston Street, | $7,000,000 | | Joe Thatcher, | $700,000 | | Micah Owings | $1,000,000 | | | | | Infielders: | | | John Baker, | $750,000 | | Nick Hundley, | $2,000,000 | | Yonder Alonso | $1,400,000 | | Jason Bartlett, | $5,500,000 | | Jesus Guzman, | $480,000 | | Chase Headley, | $3,475,000 | | Orlando Hudson, | $5,500,000 | | | | | Outfielders: | | | Kyle Blanks, | $480,000 | | Chris Denorfia, | $1,165,000 | | Mark Kotsay, | $1,250,000 | | Cameron Maybin, | $480,000 | | Will Venable, | $1,475,000 | | Carlos Quentin, | $7,025,000 | | Active players Total | $53,785,000 | | | | | Buyouts: | | | Harang | $500,000 | | Hawpe | $1,000,000 | | Qualls | $1,050,000 | | Total | $56,335,000 |
Note: Updated Richard to $2.705M Note: Added Buyouts that hit payroll this year. Note: Updated Mosley to $2.0125M Note: Added Micah Owings $1.0M I will keep this updated. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2012 13:22:45 GMT -8
Right on. I was just reading about Tim Lincecum's arbitration raise. I guess the Giants payroll is now about $130M. The Padres would have traded Lincecum for prospects.  |
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Post by AztecTom on Jan 24, 2012 14:04:40 GMT -8
The Padres would have traded Lincecum for prospects. No doubt, that's the truth. |
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Post by aardvark on Jan 27, 2012 23:20:18 GMT -8
| Pitchers: | | | Anthony Bass, | $480,000 | | Brad Brach, | $480,000 | | Ernesto Frieri, | $480,000 | | Luke Gregerson, | $1,550,000 | | Cory Luebke, | $480,000 | | Clayton Richard, | $2,700,000 | | Dustin Moseley, | $1,800,000 | | Edison Volquez, | $2,237,500 | | Andrew Cashner, | $480,000 | | Tim Stauffer, | $3,200,000 | | Huston Street, | $7,000,000 | | Joe Thatcher, | $700,000 | | | | | Infielders: | | | John Baker, | $750,000 | | Nick Hundley, | $2,000,000 | | Yonder Alonso | $1,400,000 | | Jason Bartlett, | $5,500,000 | | Jesus Guzman, | $480,000 | | Chase Headley, | $3,475,000 | | Orlando Hudson, | $5,500,000 | | | | | Outfielders: | | | Kyle Blanks, | $480,000 | | Chris Denorfia, | $1,165,000 | | Mark Kotsay, | $1,250,000 | | Cameron Maybin, | $480,000 | | Will Venable, | $1,475,000 | | Carlos Quentin, | $7,025,000 | | Active players Total | $52,567,500 | | | | | Buyouts: | | | Harang | $500,000 | | Hawpe | $1,000,000 | | Qualls | $1,050,000 | | Total | $55,117,500 |
Note: Updated Richard to $2.7M Note: Added Buyouts that hit payroll this year. I will keep this updated. It still amazes me that Brad Hawpe got that contract with the Padres last year, that guaranteed him $1 mil for the upcoming season. Oh well. By the way, Bill, thanks for taking the time to add all of these $$ amounts up, so we can see Moorad's prediction of the payroll "starting with a 5" come true. |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Jan 29, 2012 8:38:22 GMT -8
So where does that put the Padres in MLB payroll?
4th from the bottom? 5th?
I just don't buy into this organization. They haven't really tried to win a World Series since 1998, and that's supposed to be the goal for EVERY team EVERY season. If it isn't, then they're just the Washington Generals...
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 29, 2012 11:22:25 GMT -8
Erik, the horse has been beaten so much by now, I think it's been killed eight or nine times....give it a rest.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2012 15:29:34 GMT -8
Erik, the horse has been beaten so much by now, I think it's been killed eight or nine times....give it a rest. I gotta agree this this. Erik, we get that you're no fan of Padres ownership but good grief, let's let the season play out man. Don't need to go over the top every thread. Just sayin. |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Jan 29, 2012 17:37:45 GMT -8
Erik, the horse has been beaten so much by now, I think it's been killed eight or nine times....give it a rest. I gotta agree this this. Erik, we get that you're no fan of Padres ownership but good grief, let's let the season play out man. Don't need to go over the top every thread. Just sayin. Look, I get what you guys are saying, but this team is a joke compared to the legit contenders. I don't see how anyone could get remotely excited about this team. They have zero chance of winning the World Series, and almost no chance of winning the division. Hell, they'll be lucky to top .500 for the season. I don't see how that's OK with anyone. The organization isn't really trying to win a World Series, and they haven't since 1998. Trading away Gonzo was the straw that broke the camel's back for me. If they had re-signed him at $20 million a year they still could have added $5 million a year to their payroll and still had a payroll around $70 million. That's totally doable for the Padres. They just chose not to do that. Since then they're traded or just let go of just about any player of any real ability they had. This building for the future thing has worn thin after the last 13 years. When are they really going to try? We keep hearing year after year after year that it's coming - it's coming, we'll compete for that World Series in a year or two, but that year or two later we are still nowhere near a World Series. How can anyone accept an organization like that? Maybe I am a broken record on this one, but until the organization commits to actually WINNING a World Series (at least making a legitimate attempt to do so) who is more of the broken record? Me, or the managment of the Padres in claiming that they'll be legit contenders in a year or two? Who's being honest? They sure aren't. They haven't been honest since 1998. I just can't accept that anymore. |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Jan 29, 2012 17:41:51 GMT -8
And how about posting Padres payroll VS the rest of the league?
You know, I used to be a HUGE Padres fan. I loved the team. I loved the organization - they had a shot at the whole thing every year (even when they had losing seasons they were trying and made mid season moves to try and get back in the playoff mix), and in '84 and '98 they made it to the World Series. Since then the organization has essentially given up. If they can't win it on the cheap then the're willing to NOT be competitive. This is not a Major League organization. I can't believe that the league lets teams continue like this. The league stepped in when the A's tried to sell players in the 70's, but they seem fine with the Padres being a flat out joke.
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 29, 2012 21:32:49 GMT -8
There is no way in hell you commit 20 million dollars to one player on your payroll, especially one the size of the Padres. That is fiscally irresponsible and borderline insanity. Obviously the goal of every team is to win a championship. To say the Padres aren't trying to win is silly. Let's take our great neighbors to the north. Post 1988, all the way through 2004, with their much higher payroll, what did the Dodgers do? Not a damn thing. ONE playoff game victory in SIXTEEN YEARS. Does that mean they weren't trying to win? Didn't make the playoffs in 2005 with an 83 million dollar payroll, 20 million higher than the Padres that year. 2006, made the playoffs as a wild card (BEHIND the Padres) and were swept promptly out by the Mets in 3 games. There's a stat thrown around called payroll efficiency, which measures exactly that, how efficient teams are with their available payroll. Here's a link - tinyurl.com/7o2u4lk. Basically, from 2006-2008, the Dodgers on average won a whopping FOUR more games than the Padres, with a payroll almost 50 million dollars higher. Let that sink in for a minute. A ridiculous payroll does not equal proven success. Once again, it is how you use your allocated funds that ultimately matters. An excerpt from the site : Colorado, San Diego, Florida, and Tampa Bay share the award for "doing the best while pinching pennies." The Rockies (2007) and Rays (2008) made it to the World Series, while the Padres were awarded the NL West title in 2006 due to winning the season series vs. the Dodgers, the other team that won 88 games that year, and lost in a play-in game the following season. The Marlins, of course, won the World Series in 2003, the second in just a seven-year span. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2012 21:49:25 GMT -8
I gotta agree this this. Erik, we get that you're no fan of Padres ownership but good grief, let's let the season play out man. Don't need to go over the top every thread. Just sayin. Look, I get what you guys are saying, but this team is a joke compared to the legit contenders. I don't see how anyone could get remotely excited about this team. They have zero chance of winning the World Series, and almost no chance of winning the division. Hell, they'll be lucky to top .500 for the season. I don't see how that's OK with anyone. The organization isn't really trying to win a World Series, and they haven't since 1998. Trading away Gonzo was the straw that broke the camel's back for me. If they had re-signed him at $20 million a year they still could have added $5 million a year to their payroll and still had a payroll around $70 million. That's totally doable for the Padres. They just chose not to do that. Since then they're traded or just let go of just about any player of any real ability they had. This building for the future thing has worn thin after the last 13 years. When are they really going to try? We keep hearing year after year after year that it's coming - it's coming, we'll compete for that World Series in a year or two, but that year or two later we are still nowhere near a World Series. How can anyone accept an organization like that? Maybe I am a broken record on this one, but until the organization commits to actually WINNING a World Series (at least making a legitimate attempt to do so) who is more of the broken record? Me, or the managment of the Padres in claiming that they'll be legit contenders in a year or two? Who's being honest? They sure aren't. They haven't been honest since 1998. I just can't accept that anymore. I didn't say I was okay with their approach, but I liked what we got in the Latos deal at least, and am willing to let the season play out. I am NOT enamored of this ownership group, but Brynes is no dummy and we'll see how his approach works. Me bitching and moaning about it will only raise my stress level. We're just saying, you kind of go off like this on ALL Pads threads. I was also very surprised at how little we apparently got in return for Rizzo, and wasn't thrilled with how that worked out. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2012 21:57:20 GMT -8
I gotta agree this this. Erik, we get that you're no fan of Padres ownership but good grief, let's let the season play out man. Don't need to go over the top every thread. Just sayin. Look, I get what you guys are saying, but this team is a joke compared to the legit contenders. I don't see how anyone could get remotely excited about this team. They have zero chance of winning the World Series, and almost no chance of winning the division. Hell, they'll be lucky to top .500 for the season. I don't see how that's OK with anyone. The organization isn't really trying to win a World Series, and they haven't since 1998. Trading away Gonzo was the straw that broke the camel's back for me. If they had re-signed him at $20 million a year they still could have added $5 million a year to their payroll and still had a payroll around $70 million. That's totally doable for the Padres. They just chose not to do that. Since then they're traded or just let go of just about any player of any real ability they had. This building for the future thing has worn thin after the last 13 years. When are they really going to try? We keep hearing year after year after year that it's coming - it's coming, we'll compete for that World Series in a year or two, but that year or two later we are still nowhere near a World Series. How can anyone accept an organization like that? Maybe I am a broken record on this one, but until the organization commits to actually WINNING a World Series (at least making a legitimate attempt to do so) who is more of the broken record? Me, or the managment of the Padres in claiming that they'll be legit contenders in a year or two? Who's being honest? They sure aren't. They haven't been honest since 1998. I just can't accept that anymore. True, but "they" haven't owned the team since '98. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2012 21:59:26 GMT -8
And how about posting Padres payroll VS the rest of the league? You know, I used to be a HUGE Padres fan. I loved the team. I loved the organization - they had a shot at the whole thing every year (even when they had losing seasons they were trying and made mid season moves to try and get back in the playoff mix), and in '84 and '98 they made it to the World Series. Since then the organization has essentially given up. If they can't win it on the cheap then the're willing to NOT be competitive. This is not a Major League organization. I can't believe that the league lets teams continue like this. The league stepped in when the A's tried to sell players in the 70's, but they seem fine with the Padres being a flat out joke. The Pads have made the playoffs a couple of times in the last 5 years. They just did it with a small to mid payroll. A few franchises have done that. Of course, to be honest they had enough talent to win a weak division, not compete....hence the quick playoff exits. |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Jan 30, 2012 6:47:54 GMT -8
There is no way in hell you commit 20 million dollars to one player on your payroll, especially one the size of the Padres. That is fiscally irresponsible and borderline insanity. Obviously the goal of every team is to win a championship. To say the Padres aren't trying to win is silly. Let's take our great neighbors to the north. Post 1988, all the way through 2004, with their much higher payroll, what did the Dodgers do? Not a damn thing. ONE playoff game victory in SIXTEEN YEARS. Does that mean they weren't trying to win? Didn't make the playoffs in 2005 with an 83 million dollar payroll, 20 million higher than the Padres that year. 2006, made the playoffs as a wild card (BEHIND the Padres) and were swept promptly out by the Mets in 3 games. There's a stat thrown around called payroll efficiency, which measures exactly that, how efficient teams are with their available payroll. Here's a link - tinyurl.com/7o2u4lk. Basically, from 2006-2008, the Dodgers on average won a whopping FOUR more games than the Padres, with a payroll almost 50 million dollars higher. Let that sink in for a minute. A ridiculous payroll does not equal proven success. Once again, it is how you use your allocated funds that ultimately matters. And when did I ever call for a ridiculous payroll for the Padres? Would $70 million REALLY have been that outrageous? That still would have left the team in the bottom half of MLB payroll a couple years ago. And you DO commit $20 million to one player if he is the ONLY consistent offense you have and he is the heart and soul of your team. They lost their heart and soul, and immediately became a HORRIBLE team with no concrete signs of becoming a legitimate contender any time soon. Yes, the Padres miraculously won the NL West in 2006 - a BAD division. That's like the Chargers winning the AFC West and losing in the Wild Card round of the playoffs. It's failure, not success. The Padres haven't been close to having a World Series caliber team since '98. Be honest, you know that. The organization would have had to spend at least $10 million more per year on salary during their competitive years to have a shot as the World Series, but they weren't willing to do it. If they can compete on the cheap, then they do it. If it's going to cost real money, they don't. So they haven't. They've tried to win with smoke and mirrors and they've tried to fool the fans but now all that deception is coming home to roost and the town is turning against them. You can't be an also-ran at best and a near 100 game loser at worst for over a decade and expect to maintain fan support. THAT is what's insane. People get emotionally invested in their teams, and if they don't see that investment reciprocated by the team's managment and ownership then they will turn on that team like a jilted boyfriend or girlfriend. That's what's happening now. The Pads have made the playoffs a couple of times in the last 5 years. They just did it with a small to mid payroll. A few franchises have done that. Of course, to be honest they (BARELY) had enough talent to win a weak division, not compete....hence the quick playoff exits. Exactly. They barely won a bad division, and then were run out of the playoffs like a good AAA team that had to fill in for a legit MLB team. It was embarrassing for them - except that the managment wasn't embarrassed. They were happy just to (barely) get in. And that's why I said that they weren't trying to win a World Series - just to put a team together that could win more games in a bad division than they'd lose. The year was a, "Success," from managment's point of view because they made the playoffs. The fact that they were blown out of the playoffs didn't bother them at all - from their perspective it was, "Mission Accomplished." When the organization really commits to going after a WS title then I'll shut up about it. I was quiet and supportive for a decade, but enough is enough. As a baseball (and former Padres) fan I snapped and I'm as mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore. This team is nowhere near being a WS contender. You all know that. It's going to be more of the same - a .506 team or lower that has ZERO chance of even making it to the World Series, let alone winning it. And the management and ownership knows that - but they're putting this team out on the field anyway. They HAVE given up on winning the World Series again. THAT is what bothers me. |
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Post by k5james on Jan 30, 2012 11:09:44 GMT -8
I'm stoked to watch this team. The more young kids with athletic ability the better IMHO.
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 30, 2012 11:33:39 GMT -8
Point blank - What evidence shows you they have given up on winning a World Series? Real, tangible evidence.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Jan 30, 2012 20:28:46 GMT -8
Point blank - What evidence shows you they have given up on winning a World Series? Real, tangible evidence. Who have they signed as free agents? Mark Kotsay? That's not exactly someone who's going to lead the team to the promised land. They have no team leaders, no proven offense, and they traded away their best pitcher. They gave up on this season in order to - maybe - have a shot in a year or three. You need some strong veterans to lead any team to the World Series. This team has none. Byrnes isn't stupid. Neither is Moorad. They know that just to get there you need strong veteran players. If they were really trying to win the World Series they'd have signed a free agent who could start and lead the team as an offensive player. They haven't done that, and they won't. Again, those guys aren't stupid. They know damned well that this team isn't going anywhere. They'll be happy at 82-80 in a mediocre division. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 30, 2012 22:36:43 GMT -8
Look at the free agent market, and the cost/benefit of signing these free agents. They doled out 11 or 12 million last year for Bartlett and Hudson, two veteran guys that were expected to fill leadership roles in the clubhouse. I have heard from several different sources Hudson was a grade A jerk last season. Didn't stay after games, treated the fans like crap on and off the field, and so on. Not a good influence in the clubhouse whatsoever. Mark Kotsay is the veteran glue-guy that will help in the clubhouse, which is an invaluable part of team chemistry. They traded for Carlos Quentin (got him relatively cheaply, too) and I think he'll be an offensive catalyst this season. The young talent on the team will be fun to watch, especially another year of Cameron Maybin, who has yet to turn 25. I'd argue there is a strong mix of veterans, too. I think the Padres (and I've been a naysayer in the past) will surprise some people this year, if they can stay healthy.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Jan 30, 2012 23:24:06 GMT -8
OK, I'm gonna give myself a warning. I have been a little too much of a troll on the Padres forum. I've let my anger and frustration over the mishandling of this franchise get the best of me.
Sorry about that. I just want this team to be better run on a consistent basis.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2012 4:30:12 GMT -8
Hudson + Bartlett + Mosely = $13 million +. Now what could the Padres get for that money. Put Cabby at Short, Forsythe at 2nd and go out and get a decent hitter. Add in the buyout money and the Padres basically wasted $18 million. Are we getting closer to what Agon will make this year? I am still pizzed about that Agon trade, I dont think any of those guys we got for Agon are going to contribute anything meaningful to the Padres. Take away Venable's salary and add $2 million and the you still get to keep Agon. With the new TV contract that could have easily been done. I posted at length on the UT about this and all I got back was yada yada yada the Padres area small market team crap. The fix was in, MLB wanted Agon in Boston --------- period. The Padres should have gotten Elsbury, Kelly and that Cuban SS Boston has for Agon at the very least. Imagine an outfield of Elsbury, Maybin and Quentin? No Barlett at SS and Cabby at 2nd?
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